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Manipulation?! What do you think?
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Bonanza has an AQ of exactly 96%. That means that you can spin 17,500x on 1€ with average luck - so you could have played even about 14 hours on 1€
If you have played at Videoslots, then you can track what your personal RTP is under myprofile -> myrtp. This would be mine for example:
You can also view every single spin and check later if this is really true.
RTP also does not mean that everyone achieves it, but it is the statistical average. There are few players who have a much higher AQ (over 100%) and many players who have a much lower personal AQ. But if now 200 players would play through Bonanza 1 year on 1€ and make about 10 million spins each, then both players will all come to the same AQ at the end of the year - because of the high number of spins. Each player would have at 10 million spins on 1€ exactly 400.000€ less in the pocket - at 10 cents it would be 40.000€ loss (not more and not less or only slightly more or less).
Each of these players would probably have experienced everything that can be experienced at Bonanza this year and would also have won 40,000€ at times, but this would have been offset by some bad runs (sooner or later).
If you flip a coin 10 million times, you will have flips in which you get the number 20 times in a row, flips in which it alternates, and flips in which heads come 20 times in a row. But if you add it all up at the end, you will get 5 million times heads and 5 million times tails. However, if you throw only 20 times, then theoretically it can happen that you get 20 times heads in a row and not even tails. Now in Bonanza there are not only 2 possibilities, but thousands. And unlike the coin toss (which has an AQ of 100%), Bonanza still has a house edge of a full 4% - which at the latest is more than it sounds in the long run.
What makes a difference between the AQ of only 3% in the long run can be read in my article "Book of Ra vs. Book of Ra Deluxe: The Comparison"
Bonanza is also a high Variance slot. It is possible to win 10,000 times the bet on this slot. Of course, the probability of this is also very, very low. If such a win is theoretically possible and a few players also win over time, then there must be hefty gobbling times.
Incidentally, an AQ of 96% means not only that you lose in one hour of play on 1€ with average luck about 50€, but also that if you have lost only 30€ is already a winner.
If you understand this, then you can only conclude that you should either not play at all or only now and then to pass the time and not expect any wins. You can win, which is nice, but most of the time you will lose. If you play the lottery, you don't expect to win every time or every 10th time. Sure, there are people who win millions in the lottery, but that's pretty rare. It's the same with Bonanza.
There are any conspiracies voiced here for over 25 pages. It could be that it is so (I am not omniscient) but I have not seen any conclusive evidence. No link to an article that seriously discusses this and proves that it is as claimed here. Online gambling has been around for many years and if there was any truth to some of the theories, it would have been exposed at one point or another, especially recently when there have been so many negative headlines about online gambling. Politicians in Germany are basically negative towards online gambling because they are in competition with state-run gambling services. If that wasn't true about AQ (as I describe it), it would have been made public long ago - especially lately.
Well one could also still say that the whole world is somehow working together (no one has vested interests) to fleece us gamblers - even more than already. But then we have finally arrived in pathological spheres of thought.
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And I have seen zero transparency from the Online Casinos so far. Why do the casinos keep it all in the dark?
Videoslots has actually taken a good path as far as RTP is concerned.
Whereby the question arises to me, whether there is a RTP, or whether simply complete coincidence.
But it is just the Tip of the iceberg. If someone only loses, the RTP is worse.
If this goes on for 4 weeks, he gets told that it is just an average value.
Actually the perfect rip-off, right?
Nevertheless, all the questions remain!
What does the average RTP help, if someone loses for 4 weeks at a stretch?
What period of time does the manufacturer give the "slot" to meet the RTP?
If it's actually 2-4 years to meet the RTP, how is it trackable?
If you change the slot, another RTP starts again.
What if thousands of people play e.g. Bonanza. Does everyone have their own RTP, does everything count
all together? Why is there no transparency?
The casinos want it to remain in the dark, and that is what feeds the suspicion of fraud.
A company, basically any company, that operates in the semi-dark will always be subject to that suspicion.
Especially when it comes to "managing" other people's money!
Sure, it remains a gamble, but that's already a bit too bad, don't you think?
What do the control authorities do? How are they controlled? Do they have to register, or do they do surprise checks?
What exactly do they check? How often do they check? Who are the control authorities?
Governmental or voluntary? Do you have to undergo the control or is it voluntary?
I don't expect big wins from a casino, on the contrary. If you Deposit money in a casino, you have to be aware that the
That the money is gone. But I used to be able to play longer with 100 euros. It went up and down. I also lost in the end, but I
had fun. Not always, of course, but much more often than today. And this is not a subjective feeling
of me, that confirm many who have been playing for a long time.
So some screw has been turned, don't you think?
Can so many people deceive?
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what is the connection when a game has only 91%?
ok, first I thought yes is a Jackpot game, but that is divine fortune also and has 96%
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Whether you lose a few minutes faster, it doesn't really matter.
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What are the casinos leaving in the dark? Of course, they do not explain the RTP to you and when I wrote the guide articles, I got to hear from some online casinos that this is not so good because most players imagine the payout ratio more positive than it was described in my articles and there were also two players who wrote to me at the time and had stopped gambling because of this knowledge. Whether they are still non-gamblers today, however, I cannot judge. My articles say that money you lose is based on spin and not ingesammt - but what most players mistakenly think and wonder why they lose so much despite high AQ (and many players think that 70 - 80% as in gambling) is high.
But I think that online casinos should have an educational page like the advisor part on GambleJoe. But many casinos are just stupid and some managers are so stupid that they would not be mentally able to plan such conspiracies and implement so perfectly that nothing comes out for decades. But that is only in the margin ...
Of course, everything is complete coincidence. You can calculate a theoretical RTP to anything. Like in the coin example. If you develop a coin toss game where you lose 1€ on heads and win 1€ on tails. Then this game would have a theoretical RTP of 100%. But you wouldn't earn anything with this game, because in the long run you would make 0€ win as a provider. Of course, you would go into the red for a while and be in the black for a while. But in the long run you would neither earn nor make a win. If 10,000 players play, then there would be winners and losers, because not everyone has an infinite amount of money available or at some point no longer has the desire.
The RTP says something about the probability. If now a High Roller plays in an hour on 10,000€ per spin and loses 1 million euros and never comes back, then that does not mean that now another player must win back 950,000€. The probability is always the same. After each spin, no matter what happened before. It is like roulette. Roulette has an AQ of about 97%. If a millionaire bets everything on red and loses, this does not mean that the next player must always win until 97% of 1 million has been paid out. Roulette and Slot machines work on exactly the same principle - chance and above all probability! Only in roulette there are 37 numbers (including zero) and you can pay 36 times the bet. In some slots you can win 10,000 times the bet. Of course, it is also less likely to win (in the short term).
This is how a Slot machine works (simple illustration but the principle is the same for any game):
Source: https://www.gamblejoe.com/ratgeber/spielautomaten-funktionsweise/
Nothing. It is only a value at which you can estimate your win probability a little - in my opinion too little info but good. Basically you should gamble less. Gambling should be a pastime for now and then. I myself am someone who does not stick to it. But I know at least theoretically how to play sensibly
There is no time period, which is why people talk about Theoretical Payout Ratio or Theoretical RTP. In Roulette there is no time period where anything has to be fulfilled. It is simply in the nature of this game that 97% are paid out again as wins or that in the long-term average 3% are lost per coup. You have the same chance to win or lose with every spin. The machine, like the roulette wheel, has no memory.
Each game has different win structures or probabilities. If you switch from roulette to Blackjack, you have a different win probability as well. However, you can theoretically win on the first game or continue to lose as on the other game.
When thousands of people play Bonanza, each of these thousands of people has the same chance to win or get a winning picture. The whole thing is also independent of stakes. If someone plays on 10€ he has the same chances to get a fat picture as someone who plays on 10 Cent. The one who plays with 10€ of course loses much more in the long run at the latest. The more people play a slot, the more likely one of these people will win. It's like the lottery, the more people play, the more likely it is that someone (probability) to crack the jackpot. But every player has always the same chances. No matter how many people play the lottery.
Well, the games are checked by testing laboratories. It is calculated on the basis of the symbols, win structure, the probabilities, as far as I know, test runs are also carried out with several million spins. Of course, there is no one who plays the 100 hours at a time, but a software that goes through the spins in a few minutes. Then the program (the game) is saved and a hash value is created. If you know Linux you know what I am talking about. If the file is changed later and thus the file hash changes and this gets out, then it is a scandal and the game manufacturer could pack up - no successful, well-known game manufacturer will probably take the Risk, because he has a goldmine anyway.
Online casinos are also audited by regulators from time to time and sometimes there are also fat penalties for violations, see: https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/strafe-gegen-leovegas-von-der-uk-gambling-commission-2018
However, I don't know how exactly this is controlled and what it looks like in practice (I'm not omniscient and don't have an online casino myself).
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I think that's really great!
And thank you for the work you have done!
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No topic, that's what we are there.
You also mentioned that you lose more than before or win less. I don't know how long this has been going on but it can happen. Sometimes the games are changed and then tested again. Mostly, however, the game is only made mobile capable or something similar.
What game manufacturers could also do and this is now a theory: Now the game manufacturers of for example Book of Ra could say, we take a research symbol from the reels and add a few more A, K or beetles. This would mean that the payout ratio would remain the same and the maximum win would remain the same, but the payout structure and probabilities would have changed in such a way that now more intermediate wins (which most players gamble away anyway) would be paid out, but it would be less likely to win big. This way (without real cheating or manipulation) more wins could be generated. Theoretically this would be conceivable. The payout ratio would be the same and the test labs would confirm this.
But it is also possible that you have a streak of bad luck (which can last a long time, because you do not play day and night for 4 weeks, but only for a limited period of time). We players (and I don't exclude myself) often have a distorted perception. I myself also think from time to time of fraud or there is something wrong when I lose a lot in a casino or an online casino and for weeks nothing comes. But if I think about it more carefully, then I come to the conclusion that I am actually to blame and that I also win but no longer perceive the wins or play down more often as before. I don't have to play every day - sure, it's easier said than done, I know.
The best players are those who bet every 2 weeks times 50€ and play with 10 or 20 cents and if they lose it goes past them at the A..., because they consider gambling as what it actually is: A pastime for now and then. Unfortunately, I myself do not belong to it but I have it this year really under control and played only rarely and even had luck and am this year in the plus.
I was a longer time with my girlfriend in Thailand (where gambling is completely forbidden) and that was really a cheap vacation or a good investment and there I have gained some distance. I can recommend!
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of Ra. From the feeling I had in the past also often times a big win. Those were then really times winning pictures
up to 5000€ with a maximum bet of 2 Euro.
That has definitely become less, or define themselves Big Wins also differently than before.
Today, a big win is sometimes ten times the stake. Since one would have earlier
only smiled tiredly. Today it is already suggested with small wins that one has the mega win
has the mega win.
Whereby this adjustment is then quite rather pro casino / manufacturer, if I understand correctly.
As you already write, smaller wins tempt rather to continue playing, instead of paying out.
Is also usually not worth it.
With the perception that is such a thing, right. But if someone actually loses for 4 weeks in a row, without
to come over the Deposit, it is clear I think. You have to believe the people as they write it here, it can
write here, no one can check it
But the feeling that in the past was paid better, have damn many.
I do not fly, Thailand would be bad
But I only play extremely rarely. Sometimes for weeks not at all.
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Yes, the adjustments are probably always made to make the manufacturers more money. Whereby this is just a possible theory of mine. The manufacturers don't really have to cheat or circumvent the RTP to make more wins. It increases with such theoretically conceivable adjustments then just the average playing time something but the Big Wins become statistically less and you notice that then at some point by coming less often over his deposit.
I am of the opinion that the game manufacturers should also indicate what the probability is in percent to get, for example, 5 explorers, 3 A's, and so on. RTP alone is not that meaningful, unfortunately. I often ask myself how likely it is to get 5 explorers. 1 in 100.000 spins, 1 in 1.000.000 spins or even 1 in 10.000.000 spins? One unfortunately doesn't know or I'm not good enough at math to calculate the probabilities just from the payout ratio and the paytable. But I think that this is also not possible.
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