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Online Casinos in general: Manipulation?! What do you think? (Page 28)

Topic created on 04th May. 2018 | Page: 28 of 33 | Answers: 324 | Views: 73,082
Knochen
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Manipulation?! What do you think?

14th May. 2018, at 12:39 pm CEST#271
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Haeuptling wrote on 14.05.2018 at 05:27 clock: stkrie thank you my friend, it was only just under 3 std sleep but it should be enough, I feel fit like a 18 year old and on the subject of bones, may be that he really is a very dear man, but that he must post over and over again the same, I think, (the word I prefer not to speak out) must not be. One gives his personal statement 1 or 2 times then is also good, but if he, that does every time where another expresses itself to this topic and he is immediately to place and again the same measure of itself gives there one asks oneself already "hello" for which oc are you responsible? Well, I leave it now also well be. If I'm someone too close separated I apologize I'm not one who is looking for stress only someone who wants clarity more not. stkrie you a good week beginning u. all others of course also. Mfg

The topic has now 27 pages and I am certainly not the only one who repeats himself. You can believe Daniel calmly that I am active for no casino. The discussion here is meanwhile so far away from the actual topic and turns only around, who said this and who that. That is nonsensical. My opinion is that OCs don't cheat, because the math is already a big enough house advantage, and as long as there is no evidence to the contrary, I'll stick to it. Then I am allowed to express my opinion just like the people who think everything is cheating and of course I try to convince my opponents of my opinion in a discussion. If there were no two opinions here, there would basically be no need for a forum for exchange, then you could simply migrate to a self-help forum, because most discussions look like that, that everything and everyone gives each other right. Only there no one speaks of fraud, because the player is to blame.

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s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

14th May. 2018, at 01:23 pm CEST#272
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@JulianK

I agree with you in principle that it should not get out of hand here.
But if a user behaves for me like a child, and I say that, is it not an insult?
not an insult?! And if I write that he is probably still living at home, I find that
i find that at most a provocation, but not an insult

The only thing that was, is and will be really insulting is to make the mass of the forum here look stupid,
because they can not calculate the RTP
But themselves can not understand the whole subject. That is not to be surpassed at irony.

And if someone does not understand after a thousand times explanation that it is here only about the possibility of the
And I always get the answer that the house advantage is enough, then I don't understand the world anymore
the world no more. He does not understand that it is always about more money.
Instead, subliminal provocations come, we would be all conspiracy theorists.

I certainly don't need to be told that by a 25-year-old 20-cent gambler.

Most of the people here have been gambling longer than Knochen has been old and have a completely different level of experience and way of looking at things.

They certainly don't need to be lectured by such a "brat".
And I don't just mean me!
He also provokes others, who specifically address him on it.

Then he should simply say nothing about it. His statements have nothing to do with the thread
to do. But he has to pass on his wisdom as a high school graduate

Best example is again the post above:
If I say in a self-help forum that the casinos are to blame, I can leave right away, or rather I
get said, they have understood nothing. That's why they don't talk about fraud there.
As an alcoholic in a self-help group, I don't blame the brewery either.
So much for the quality of his statements! Complete nonsense!

That I am no angel, that I know also.

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Julian
Elite

Manipulation?! What do you think?

14th May. 2018, at 01:44 pm CEST#273
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@stkrie

Yes, but I find the whole thing honestly a bit paradoxical that you complain about the fact that he seems to provoke you although you do exactly the same.
And the whole argumentation about RTP, cheating, house advantage of a casino or any Manipulation theories,
have absolutely nothing to do with his age, his stakes or even his living situation.

This is merely provocative and insulting towards him. And there were definitely more statements made that were not okay.
And there I simply ask myself, if you see yourself as a "player" who is already a bit older and "plays longer than bones are old", why don't you behave like that?

You can say what you want, but the entire topic here is just pure speculation, Knochen is just as entitled to give his view of things as you and I are.
And I for my part find his statements or argumentations very interesting and above all appropriate to the topic.

If you share a different point of view, then feel free to discuss it, that's what this thread is for in the end.
But then treat the other person with the same respect and treatment that you would want for yourself.

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s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

14th May. 2018, at 02:22 pm CEST#274
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I have no problems with it, who gives out, must also be able to take. If I am mentioned by a moderator
but if I am mentioned by a moderator, this is another level, and I defend myself accordingly.

The question with the behavior I have actually already explained in the last thread:
If a young gambler means to have to talk everywhere, on every topic, and that mostly
with little idea, my hat string goes up.

Especially since he provokes subliminally, and his statements are really meaningless
Samira I and others have enumerated ways in which fraud could be perpetrated without major
Problems could look like
Answer bones: they already earn enough anyway, why should they cheat?

This is such a meaningless statement. Could we abolish the §263.
And all the cartels, nonsense, have all earned enough. Acquittal.
That is simply naive.
It may be that 3 people here like what he writes.
Many write that he writes nonsense

You don't have to write something about every topic. Sometimes silence is better.

But since you are a bone fan, this discussion has probably no value, because I doubt your
Neutrality doubt

This thread is and was intended for all those who have doubts about online casinos.
Since there have been some fans here who have attacked users, offensively or not, it has gotten out of hand
not, it has gotten out of hand.

I will not stand for anything there!

If bone is so naive, he can open a thread with the topic: Online casino, everything great!
This is then a topic for all fans, where critics like me and Co write nothing about it

But if I think I have to add my comment to everything and everyone, because I'm
Conviction am to be so smart, because I have high school diploma, comes out something like this!

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

14th May. 2018, at 02:24 pm CEST#275
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Knochen
Elite

Manipulation?! What do you think?

14th May. 2018, at 02:37 pm CEST#276
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Chief wrote on 14.05.2018 at 14:24
Half of the 27 pages were spammed full of a certain bone who desperately wants to convince people of the opposite & that's how you see who actually needs to go to a support group. i don't have the urge to convince anyone here on Gamblejoe of my point of view because a lot of those in the same situation are whose bad luck lasts longer than they are lucky. Let alone they have any luck at all. With the luck is that so a topic, it can change, as soon as one wants to delete his account one is persuaded... You know the initial thread, right? Or have you missed it? Would not surprise me if you had missed it because you were busy with your RTP to convince people of your opinion, for whatever reason ...! I withdraw from the discussion now really back because I have no desire to read more and more the same with a change that this time a self-help group was recommended to us, which I strongly recommend this person but go there yourself times let alone you was already there otherwise you would not have the need to convince everyone of fine opinion.

If you had also read my first answers to the start of this thread, then you would know that I am just as little sure how something like this happens as everyone else here. I say over and over again that there are black sheep on the market and you as a player should look very carefully where you play. This choice is not made easier when half of the forum here calls everything and everyone a scam, for personal reasons, out of ignorance or simply out of conviction. Instead, we should rather try to highlight the few truly reputable casinos. A casino that makes offers like the one this topic is about does not belong to the reputable providers.

Btw, of course my bad luck lasts longer than my good luck. Lately I haven't had any problems with it since I hardly ever gamble, but I used to feel really bad about it. This is something that applies to almost every player. The evaluation of bad luck is also up to everyone. I blame it mainly on my former losses of control as well as unfair math. Another player just screams cheat.

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Julian
Elite

Manipulation?! What do you think?

14th May. 2018, at 02:46 pm CEST#277
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stkrie wrote on 05/14/2018 at 2:22 pm
Especially since he is subliminally provocative, and his statements are really meaningless
Samira I and others have enumerated ways in which fraud could be perpetrated without major
Problems could look like
Answer bones: they earn enough anyway, why should they cheat?

This is such a meaningless statement. Could we abolish the §263.
And all the cartels, nonsense, have all earned enough. Acquittal.
That is simply naive.
It may be that 3 people here like what he writes.
Many write that he writes nonsense

You don't have to write something about every topic. Sometimes silence is better.

But since you are a bone fan, this discussion has probably no value, because I doubt your
Neutrality doubt

This thread is and was intended for all those who have doubts about online casinos.
Since there have been some fans here who have attacked the users, whether offensively or not
not, it has gotten out of hand.

I will not stand for anything there!


stkrie there I must unfortunately contradict you, the Thread carries the following heading: "Manipulation what do you think about it?
This is not a thread where blindly and without context about Online Casinos ausgekotzt
The thread was created by the user Samira and she has shared her situation and also her view of things and has asked what the other users think of it or what their opinions are.

That is, each user may describe his own view of things, no matter how old they are..and if now a few users represent a different opinion as you do, you do not have to call them directly naive.
In the end their statements or views have the same weight as yours. It is and remains only pure speculation.

And believe it or not, I am very neutral on this subject, I have no contact with Knochen, I just wrote in my last text that I find his arguments interesting. Just as I have found other views interesting.

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s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

14th May. 2018, at 02:46 pm CEST#278
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It's not about black sheep, but about possible systematic fraud by online casinos.
After 28 pages still not understood the opening thread!

How do you know who works seriously?
Have you checked it yourself?
Do you know what the alleged control bodies do and check?

Again, a completely meaningless answer.

You can't know, only the casinos themselves know what they are doing!

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s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

14th May. 2018, at 02:52 pm CEST#279
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@JulianK

Samira deliberately chose this kind of wording in order not to directly imply fraud, since she has
has no evidence for it

However, anyone who has followed the thread and Samira's statements has quickly realized what it is actually about.

Naive is not the fact that he does not believe in fraud, that is not the point at all.
That is truly to each his own opinion.

What is naive is the fact of thinking that casinos earn enough, and thus have no
Need to earn more through dishonest means!

Basically, after all the fraud in almost every sector of almost all industries, I must
assume. Everything else is and remains naive!

I don't even know how many times I have already explained this.

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Daniel
Elite

Manipulation?! What do you think?

14th May. 2018, at 03:13 pm CEST#280
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