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Online Casinos in general: Manipulation?! What do you think? (Page 26)

Topic created on 04th May. 2018 | Page: 26 of 33 | Answers: 324 | Views: 70,980
s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

12th May. 2018, at 08:46 pm CEST#251
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What you see there is a mathematical calculation of the win/loss ratio. You arrive at a certain percentage.
This is either very high if you have won, or low

Casinos guarantee an average RTP of about 96% of a slot in a period of 2-4 years.
Only if you knew for which period the 96% count, you would have a halfway reliable number.
So in principle zero comprehensible and even more not provable. The period is also extremely long.
One changes the slot relatively often. Then one is again in another RTP of this slot etc..
Then play yes zigtausend simultaneously on a slot in different casinos. Has then each its own
RTP? Does everything count together? It is just intentionally extremely opaque.

It would be fair to grant the player personally a RTP of about 96%. The whole because of me within e.g. 2 years.
And there is of course an average of all deposits

Disadvantage would be it, one would be allowed to play really only in a casino, in order to be able to understand the RTP
to be able to, and it would have to be transparent.

To determine the whole thing by slot is of course extremely clever and not verifiable.
That's why I doubt the RTP story.
For the casinos a goldmine!

Casinos can certainly technically much more than is always admitted.
Allegedly everything comes over the servers from the game manufacturers.
May be everything, but still no proof that manipulation.
At least not for me.

But here that is just sacred, and many believe that everything is fair.
To each his own opinion.



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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

13th May. 2018, at 07:25 am CEST#252
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stkrie wrote on 12.05.2018 at 20:46: What you see there is a mathematical calculation ratio win/loss. Thereby you come to a certain percentage.
Which is either very high if you won, or low

Casinos guarantee an average RTP of about 96% of a slot in a period of 2-4 years.
Only if you knew for which period the 96% count, you would have a halfway reliable number.
So in principle zero comprehensible and even more not provable. The period is also extremely long.
One changes the slot relatively often. Then one is again in another RTP of this slot etc..
Then play yes zigtausend simultaneously on a slot in different casinos. Has then each its own
RTP? Does everything count together? It is just intentionally extremely opaque.

It would be fair to grant the player personally a RTP of about 96%. The whole because of me within e.g. 2 years.
And there is of course an average of all deposits

Disadvantage would be it, one would be allowed to play really only in a casino, in order to be able to understand the RTP
to be able to, and it would have to be transparent.

To determine the whole thing by slot is of course extremely clever and not verifiable.
That's why I doubt the RTP story.
For the casinos a goldmine!

Casinos can certainly technically much more than is always admitted.
Allegedly everything comes over the servers from the game manufacturers.
May be everything, but still no proof that manipulation.
At least not for me.

But here that is just sacred, and many believe that everything is fair.
To each his own opinion.



That's how it looks. And therefore one wonders, that on inquiry the Casino 's one tell, that I as a player a ratio of allegedly 95% or more have. Again! If I have paid 34000 euros over 3 years in a casino, I would have had either a lot of payouts, or a lot of intermediate winnings, which I would have to have gambled away again. Both never happened. I can say for sure . And the joke is, in the OVO Casino, which belongs to Quasar, I have invested almost the same total amount, and also lost almost the same amount (17000 ) . Coincidences exist...... ... ... ... .

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

13th May. 2018, at 10:43 pm CEST#253
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I just remembered... i had once chatted with the support from Rizk Casino.

I asked if he also plays in OCs from time to time.

He answered: Yes, but not here, at Rizk he is not allowed because he knows all the secrets

That actually says almost everything, doesn't it?

In certain parameters the OCs simply have the hat on I would say.

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S****8

Manipulation?! What do you think?

13th May. 2018, at 11:08 pm CEST#254
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Starwalker wrote on 05/13/2018 at 10:43 pm
I just remembered... i had chatted with Rizk Casino support once.

By the way I asked if he also plays in OCs from time to time.

He answered: Yes, but not here, at Rizk he is not allowed because he knows all the secrets

That actually says almost everything, doesn't it?

In certain parameters the OCs simply have the hat on I would say.

Yes, but the arcade supervisors are not allowed to gamble in the arcade where they work.
This has nothing to do with secrets ...but with the fact that they see what goes into the machines and what goes out?
And I think a support staff in an online casino sees just what the so pay out and what not ...
The support in an online casino is the smallest link in the chain!

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Knochen
Elite

Manipulation?! What do you think?

13th May. 2018, at 11:11 pm CEST#255
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I think this is similar to sweepstakes, where no one who works there is allowed to participate under normal circumstances. I think this is rather a proof of exactly the opposite: If the employee knows so well that everything is a scam, why does he play at all? And why do you prefer to take the word of a single support employee and without a source instead of official statements? I've never quite understood that logic either.

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s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

13th May. 2018, at 11:26 pm CEST#256
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But now I have to laugh out loud again. What are official statements? The
Emblem on the side of the casinos? The RTP? The gambling license from Malta?
The supervision of the almighty MGA?
What is official about it? Can you verify it?

You take over everything unchecked, but attack others for it.
Very intelligent!

Hats off!
SWird better and better.

Official statements, ha ha.

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

13th May. 2018, at 11:28 pm CEST#257
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Knochen
Elite

Manipulation?! What do you think?

13th May. 2018, at 11:33 pm CEST#258
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Chief wrote on 13.05.2018 at 23:28
Because he knows the system u. thus would be at an advantage!

Might sound plausible at first glance, but what would he gain an advantage from? The slots run through foreign servers anyway and he would also access the same servers if he played in another OC. Also, I just can't imagine that a support employee would know if everything was systematic fraud. The security Risk would be unmanageable with the mass of casinos and the public or the player community would know long ago. So officially informed, not based on specially established suspicions without solid evidence.

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s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

13th May. 2018, at 11:38 pm CEST#259
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West still believes in innocence before marriage and the clean slate of casinos.

There's nothing you can do about it, the possibilities are limited after all.

He cannot imagine that casinos could cheat in any way.

At VW, being quiet actually worked out quite well.
Bosses, department heads, engineers, foremen, workers, IT staff......

Also with other frauds such as the forbidden price agreements, this has
actually worked well for years. Nothing leaked out.

You're just naive, that's all.

Only with casinos, of course, would this come right out in the open
They are not as smart as bones.

Let brains rain



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Marqes
Expert

Manipulation?! What do you think?

14th May. 2018, at 12:20 am CEST#260
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So I think there are no secrets in the casinos, provided they really can't interfere with the game.

But what I think is logical is that the support staff can see in which game a lot of players are winning.
That will be the secret what the employee of Rizk meant.

And so they will also be able to title individual slots as hot.

As I said, I have often experienced something like this at StarGames, that usually one or two games ran well over a certain period of time.
E.g. one hour or a few hours.
Then there were big wins on many slots until the time window had closed and possibly big wins were brought in on another game.

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