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Online Casinos in general: Manipulation?! What do you think? (Page 22)

Topic created on 04th May. 2018 | Page: 22 of 33 | Answers: 324 | Views: 71,636
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Elite

Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 08:35 pm CEST#211
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Accounting is not at all a proof of fraud and on the contrary is even important, for casinos as well as for players. For example, if a player makes a large win, but for some reason it is not credited, the casino can check this manually and make up for it. On the other hand, the casino also checks the individual spins of the players before withdrawals to check whether the bonus conditions were violated.

The casinos are not just anywhere but in Malta, an EU member state. Partly also Great Britain. Sometime in the future probably also in Germany. There will then also be independent state control authorities, the players will continue to lose because of the mathematics and accuse the state instruments of fraud. The discussion will probably never go away.

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 09:08 pm CEST#212
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Wrong! Onlincasinos are everywhere like mushrooms shot out of the ground. I think Online Casinos will be rightly in the near future again history. Because gradually many will raffen, that it does not go with right things. Online casinos are a fad. Nothing more. Basically, the turn is already initiated. You can see that many casinos belong to a whole

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Elite

Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 09:28 pm CEST#213
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What is that supposed to indicate about the turnaround? You would have to give reasons for that. On the contrary, it looks like online gambling providers are taking more and more of the market share in Germany and that this is a very strongly growing industry. At some point, the German state will also try to regulate this.

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 09:36 pm CEST#214
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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 10:05 pm CEST#215
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Bones - I am 46 years old. Life experience you can not just buy . One acquires it, just with the years. So also with Online Casinos . Extra for you once again an example . I have made over 4000 euros at Royal Panda with several deposits. Once I could Deposit 150 euros. Super coincidence ? Can I expect 2-3000 euros soon ? Extreme bad luck ? Do not lie to yourself!

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 10:46 pm CEST#216
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Sigura43 wrote on 09/05/2018 at 22:05: Bones - I am 46 years old . Life experience you can not just buy . That one acquires , just with the years . So also with Online Casinos . Extra for you once again an example . I have made over 4000 euros at Royal Panda with several deposits. Once I could Deposit 150 euros. Super coincidence ? Can I expect 2-3000 euros soon ? Extreme bad luck ? Do not lie to yourself!

over 4k ? No payouts had? Doesn't it even occur to you to change casinos? ðŸ¤"

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 10:58 pm CEST#217
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Avantgarde83 wrote on 09/05/2018 at 22:46
over 4k? Not had any payouts? Doesn't it even occur to you to change the casino? ðŸ¤"

Why change the casino, if everything is just a coincidence?

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Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 11:09 pm CEST#218
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What I don't understand is what is so inscrutable about the oh-so-inscrutable RTP. Who has bock on it can lead yes gladly book. It's obvious, you can see what you use and what comes out. The problem is the following: Player pays 100€, is really only losing, lands on zero. So now the player had let's say a miserable RTP of 25%. Much worse is hardly possible. The next time he might have a RTP of 40%. Again shit. At some point he has one of 35%. Only miserable sessions. Then he wins a little once. RTP of 300%. Sounds a lot at first but is really not uncommon. All together we have a RTP of 95%. I've done enough experiments on this and it's just like this:

Normally the RTP is below 100%. Often well below that. I think the lowest I ever had on 100 spins was 18%. However, the RTP is hardly capped at the top, or it swings much farther than it does at the bottom. A single really high win corrects the overall RTP extremely. It does not mean at all that one comes out by 95% RTP within a session on average on +/- 0€, one must calculate that already on the entire time. The more you play the more you will approach the RTP. It doesn't matter if you started with a big win and then only lose or if you only lose and then have a big win once. It is very unlikely to win a lot but not impossible and therefore the RTP is calculated. The last time I tested 20 x 100 spins the Rtp was only 5 times over 100%. 4 times just over 100% and once at just over 400%. In the end it was 88% although it also seemed to me that I had lost permanently except for one good picture. The problem is much more that players play down their good wins. You can't gamble with the expectation that if you win, you'll keep winning.

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sigi36
Amateur

Manipulation?! What do you think?

11th May. 2018, at 09:38 am CEST#219
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hi,

i have now read only the 1st post....and if that is as it was written, then at least this casino can put the lever on win/lose......

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Marqes
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Manipulation?! What do you think?

11th May. 2018, at 11:34 am CEST#220
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The RTP is simply the average for all players, not any one individual.
Some win and others lose.
In total, it should be around 95.

Don't know what there is to discuss .

Who only speculates on this RTP, can leave the gambling right away.

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