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Online Casinos in general: Manipulation?! What do you think? (Page 21)

Topic created on 04th May. 2018 | Page: 21 of 33 | Answers: 324 | Views: 71,633
Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 01:29 pm CEST#201
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Bones wrote on 09/05/2018 at 00:11 PM
I'm not criticizing your experiences at all I'm just giving a possible explanation. You don't have to accept that one either. It must have nothing at all to do with your internet if the slot breaks. As I said, I can understand your mistrust, but it is more likely that you simply lost at gambling (who's surprised).

I am not surprised that many people here had this experience. Also with me a slot has already broken off. I don't know if I won or lost something after that, probably lost like most of the time, but of course it stayed in my memory. What I was trying to say was: Why should Videoslots let you win first and then realize something is wrong, he must lose now? That's not logical, especially considering that it's more logical to lose than to win.

It honestly saddens me as a player how little fun in the game some here seem to have. I don't believe that any entity controls what I win or lose depending on my profile, I believe in mathematics and house advantage.

@Samira: I still find your case from the start post interesting and I definitely wouldn't exclude that it is pure coincidence. I find Akas theory on page 1 the most plausible. (Doesn't do anything to the topic but concerning the World Trade Center I am completely with you. There is definitely not only black and white. Not everything that is said is true and not everything is a lie.)

In the post you quoted, I explained to you why Videoslots should do this. You seem to think that I have lost and only therefore want to get rid of my frustration here...you probably also believe that Angela Merkel only wants the best for us or? This 150€ I have lost there, have not necessarily hurt me I have deliberately remained on the same slots after the "disconnection" to see if there is something to it.
I could understand your opinion about the whole thing, if it had really happened that the session was just ended out of the blue. But believe me that happens too often and there are many here in the forum who can confirm that. Also, this behavior of the slots especially PlaynGo was already criticized in another thread by several people.

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redriver67
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Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 01:45 pm CEST#202
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It often happens to me with the disconnections when I play Jack Beanhead. When the free spins came regularly and he also paid well. Then it happens regularly that the connection is cut and then nothing useful comes.

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Julian
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Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 01:50 pm CEST#203
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The disconnections happen both when I lose and when I win. And in my eyes, they don't mean anything.

Since I try out many games via demo, irrelevant whether here on Gamblejoe or directly at any casinos, I can only mention that there are occasionally disconnections in fun money mode
So I personally would not necessarily put my hand in the fire for the speculation about it.

But that's just my opinion on the subject.

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Knochen
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Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 02:02 pm CEST#204
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I would say that the player perception applies here again. It simply remains in the memory when you are winning, then the slot breaks and then loses. The other way around maybe not so much. As far as play money is concerned, I also noticed the following: It feels strongly to me like playing on instances that are running differently well. For example, when I want to try a new slot it happens 3-4 times in a row that just nothing comes. Each time I reload and have the same amount of money again. At some point it really pops and it still pops after it pops, at least for a while, then it goes down again. If it were the same for real money then the logic is quite simple. You played on a good running instance, the connection is interrupted and you end up reloading on a worse one. Of course, there is no evidence for this at all and if that were true, it would actually be too easy to constantly reload the slot if it does not run.

The interruption can be due to the casino, your own Internet, the server of the Provider, etc., etc. Nevertheless, the question remains why the casino should bother to intentionally annoy a player by first letting him win, then cancel, then lose. If this is all so technically flawless then I have a simple question: why doesn't the casino just let you lose suddenly without canceling the slot? Why leave clues?

On this point, I don't want to 100% rule out that there might be something to it. But there is simply a lack of evidence.

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 04:03 pm CEST#205
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Knochen wrote on 09.05.2018 at 14:02: I would claim here the player perception applies again. It just sticks in your mind when you are winning, then the slot breaks and then you lose. The other way around maybe not so much. As far as play money is concerned, I also noticed the following: It feels strongly to me like you are playing on instances that are running differently well. For example, when I want to try a new slot it happens 3-4 times in a row that just nothing comes. Each time I reload and have the same amount of money again. At some point it really pops and it still pops after it pops, at least for a while, then it goes down again. If it were the same for real money then the logic is quite simple. You played on a good running instance, the connection is interrupted and you end up reloading on a worse one. Of course, there is no evidence for this at all and if that were true, it would actually be too easy to constantly reload the slot if it does not run.

The interruption can be due to the casino, your own Internet, the server of the Provider, etc., etc. Nevertheless, the question remains why the casino should bother to intentionally annoy a player by first letting him win, then cancel, then lose. If this is all so technically flawless then I have a simple question: why doesn't the casino just let you lose suddenly without canceling the slot? Why leave clues?

On this point, I don't want to 100% rule out that there might be something to it. But there is simply a lack of evidence.

It's about the fact that if you are in a good "instance" and you win some, then forced to leave this and go to a perhaps worse. To the rest I write now just nothing more... somehow I have the feeling you defend the casinos without end and indirectly allude to that we would have ne tit and imagine all this only.

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Skitch22
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Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 04:39 pm CEST#206
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I also think it is manipulated, just made this experience again, Videoslots gives me 10FS in such a new game name I did not now make it 24€ which is great by the way often happens at Videoslots that if you get FS you make money out of it, and then nothing more runs the 24€ were quickly gambled away without what is still big came, every time that is at Videoslost somehow so that the few FS bring in what and then nothing happens more, and 24 € can be paid out brings nothing for me under 50 € I never let what pay out except I really have no more money, just think there's system behind it animate the one practically what to pay in make one first hot and then is eaten and hoped that you pay in again afterwards. I have online no longer want to play offline.

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Skitch22
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Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 04:45 pm CEST#207
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The gambling houses are of course always bad-mouthed here on purpose, the fact is my biggest wins I always had in the gambling house never online. So it doesn't matter to me what kind of payout ratio a casino has.

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Knochen
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Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 04:50 pm CEST#208
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Skitch22 wrote on 09.05.2018 at 16:45: The gaming arcades are of course always bad-mouthed here on purpose, the fact is my biggest wins I always had in the game arcade never online. Since it is then no matter to me what a payout ratio has a gaming house.

I had similar high wins online and offline but have played much more offline. I think offline is more fun and that's what gambling should be all about. I think the chances of winning are higher online but offline you have, if you should win, the money right in your hand and simply has a better atmosphere. So I can understand that.

Only: Offline fraud has often been proven, online not (except fakeslots). There are enough known cases of exchanged boards whereby the probability of winning is lowered. So always consider very well where you play. Large chains should be reasonably safe, casinos are of course best.

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 08:01 pm CEST#209
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Again to all who believe Online Casinos do not cheat, because then the 'good reputation ' would be gone . If I had a 'session', and the casino can tell me afterwards concretely / see what I have now won or lost...... ..and even more spontaneously can say what I have so far deposited in the casino and paid out, then it clicks in my brain . This means nothing more than that exactly book is kept, who wins how what, or loses . And that means to me, the casino designs at its discretion . As many here have already written - the casinos know exactly that one can prove you badly something. How also, if the location is somewhere in...... ... .? And a better alibi for the OC, as 'the coincidence' there is not at all. Thus the OC are even better off, than enterprises, like Thyssen, VW (;-) ), or others . The 'coincidence' is quasi a money printing guarantee. Some (so I read out), say goodbye to the online game. I do not pull it through yet completely . Consciously! I will divide / Deposit in the month max 100 euros on different casinos . Quasi a hobby . So I pay my bills normally, and can still save some . Discipline is a prerequisite . Casinos will not be rich in the future by me . Promised

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

9th May. 2018, at 08:29 pm CEST#210
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Sigura43 wrote on 09/05/2018 at 20:01: Again to all who believe Online Casinos do not cheat, because then the 'good reputation ' would be gone . If I had a 'session ', and the casino can tell me afterwards concretely / see what I have now won or lost...... ..and even more so spontaneously say what I have deposited and paid out so far in the casino, then it clicks in my brain . This means nothing more than that exactly book is kept, who wins how what, or loses . And that means to me, the casino designs at its discretion . As many here have already written - the casinos know exactly that one can prove you badly something. How also, if the location is somewhere in...... ... .? And a better alibi for the OC, as 'the coincidence' there is not at all. Thus the OC are even better off, than enterprises, like Thyssen, VW (;-) ), or others . The 'coincidence' is quasi a money printing guarantee. Some (so I read out), say goodbye to the online game. I do not pull it through yet completely . Consciously! I will divide / Deposit in the month max 100 euros on different casinos . Quasi a hobby . So I pay my bills normally, and can still save some . Discipline is a prerequisite . Casinos will not be rich in the future by me . Promised.

I do not understand why the accounting of gaming sessions and of wins / losses should be proof of fraud?

On the contrary, I would find it rather questionable if a casino had no evidence of gaming sessions at all.

LG

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