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Manipulation?! What do you think?
8th May. 2018, at 11:14 pm CEST#191
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Active, gambling-addicted conspiracy theorists?
Well, who starts now again to insult subliminally?
Just because you don't understand a subject doesn't mean that there is no such thing.
This will happen to you very often in your life!
If the casinos would set a RTP of 10%, no one would notice.
That was my statement. Read correctly!
By the way, no one has to cheat!
Is it done nevertheless?
For the 1000 times, that motive is money!
To earn even more!
That has to do nevertheless zero with it whether someone has it necessary.
And that is what I mean. You just don't get it.
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8th May. 2018, at 11:41 pm CEST#192
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Sry bone, but there we have it again. You try to be friendly, but attack subliminally. Conspiracy theorist? Just because someone doesn't believe in what the masses are trying to hammer into him, he's a conspiracy theorist? Mostly is what one should believe, the conspiracy itself... a lie becomes thereby, since many believe it not immediately the truth... it remains a lie. Even if I would like not necessarily to strike out, I make it now nevertheless...
Only because almost the whole world the opinion was instilled, that 9.11 to the terrorism has to owe .... and both towers came ONLY by airplanes to the fall explained it still far not why building 7, a third, in the same way, like the two others in itself collapsed, although nothing flew in there.
Am I now a conspiracy theorist because I do not believe in the official version? No, I see it differently. Because nobody can explain to me plausibly why building 7 also collapsed. For me the official version seems to be rather the conspiracy... and a lie does not become also in this case the truth, even if even half the world population stands behind it...
I got my bonus, I was promised a win, I got it, and now I'm putting 1+1 together. Whether my result is the correct one, I cannot prove, but I can conclude for me that I am one experience richer and from it something result or continue as before.
Have a nice evening ðŸ™'
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8th May. 2018, at 11:48 pm CEST#193
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Bones wrote on 08/05/2018 at 19:44: Now let's be honest Danielowitch...
I can really understand your frustration right after the loss believe me. But look at it rationally. You had already won. You could have just paid out 150€. The probability of winning once is lower than losing but the probability of winning again is really low. And what would Videoslots gain by letting you win and then realizing "oh that's not possible, cancel the game and let him lose". That's really not very logical.
Now let's be honest bones...
I can understand that there may be people who just do not WANT to understand what this is all about...
Seriously now, I find 150€ absolutely not worth paying out, if I have the daily verballert. What Videoslots has from it, perhaps simply saved money? I do not say that one sits in front of the PC and waits until he flips the switch with me, but simply that it is an automated event. As soon as a certain percentage loss occurs in a session for the casino that the connection or the current session is terminated.
And now times even more honest bone....
There are enough people who had the same experience as me here...and explain to me why then "randomly" the connection to the slot was gone, when my Internet continued to work, the game did not even jerk or tried to restore the connection. It was just a notice that the connection is gone and I should restart the slot and a thick red button on the exit. No way to reconnect (within) the session being played.
In addition, I share here only my experiences, which also belong here in the thread
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8th May. 2018, at 11:49 pm CEST#194
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Bone wrote on 08.05.2018 at 23:09: I also find it not nice what some here for a tone to the day. You can discuss different theories without being abusive.
Anyone who has really understood the evil topic of RTP will realize that casinos do not have to cheat and anyone who has understood the industry will also realize that it is relatively difficult to cheat directly by intervening in the game. Someone who claims to have an RTP of 10% definitely doesn't understand RTP one bit, but that's okay. There is so much superstition and paranoia among gamers that it is really exhausting to be on a forum like this. After an aggressive message the other day and certain unfriendly members here in this thread, I'm seriously wondering what I'm even doing in this forum anymore. I thought this was a gamers forum and not a forum of active gambling addicts conspiracy theorists.
Edit: Especially this "I pull my arguments from where it suits me" attitude simply prevents discourse. 150€ win is 150€ win and does not suddenly become play money just because the amount is not high enough. It doesn't even matter if 150€ or 5000€. Apparently you can not win anyway but if one wins the win is not paid out anyway and the casino controls to the cent exactly how much a player may win. Now I'm probably not the only one in this forum who is at least one casino neatly in the plus and never had problems with a payout anywhere.
Well bone, you meet others here already very condescending, but are also very naive in many topics and not exactly open-minded when it comes to other opinions. You are not very different from the "other side", you just do it with other more subtle means. But that is not necessarily better.
And apparently you have never been active in a gamers forum before, because this discussion exists since you can play online for money. You won't find a gamers forum where this discussion hasn't been discussed x times.
And it is wonderful if there are players who have never had problems with a payout. But as you can see here in the forum alone, there are a lot of players who have problems. And this is not due to the players but to the fact that there are unfortunately many dubious casinos.
Here you can then also observe again and again that you are there rather on the casino side, talk it up or first assume that the good holy online casino acts there right or a small individual error has occurred. At the latest, I ask myself what you want in a players forum, because the word player implies that you want to find fair conditions as a player, in other words: You are actually acting against your own interests. Unless maybe you are not a player at all?
And now you have formulated the sentence nicely, so that one cannot nail you, but no, as good as no player is in the plus. There you can also write IN A casino. But if you read quickly over it, the sentence comes across as if there are enough winning players, which is just totally wrong. If you are not the total hobby player who deposits 10 euros three times a year, then you will not find any player who is in the plus.
Of course, no player is in plus, I really didn't mean to say that. I myself am not in the plus. I wanted to explicitly say that there are players who are in a casino in the plus and can continue to win because it is mathematically quite possible, but winning is always more unlikely than winning. I agree with you only partially about the innocence of the players in payout problems. When I read here again and again how someone lost his money in the SuperRoyalWinnerVegasJackpotGARANTIE! Casino with a license from Atlantis does not get paid, then I give the player a partial blame. Because it is very reckless to Deposit your money on websites that you have not checked before. For me this falls into the same category as sending money to the infamous prince from Africa who sent a mail. If a player in a reputable or a European licensed casino has not received his payout then you already know my opinion. I'm not blaming the player for the stupid bonus rules and I'm really not defending the casinos that work like this. I just oppose the term fraud. Maybe I'm too pedantic but fraud is for me still total rip-off. You can see here in the forum actually how many people have problems with a payout but all these people have played in the end in dubious casinos or violate terms and conditions. I do not approve of the terms and conditions but there is also no diabolical arbitrariness of the casino to recognize.
Are you now interfering here because you have a personal problem with me because you somehow still think I would work for Wunderino? Because that's bullshit you know by now.
(Before it comes to disagreements, I do not want to deny you your opinion, of course, but the only thing you have written now was basically how crap you find me and could not even suppress that I'm actually in the right here)
Danielowitch wrote on 08/05/2018 at 23:48
Let's be honest bones...
I can understand that there may be people who just do not WANT to understand what this is all about...
Seriously now, I find 150€ absolutely not worth paying out if I have the daily verballert. What Videoslots has from it, perhaps simply saved money? I do not say that one sits in front of the PC and waits until he flips the switch with me, but simply that it is an automated process. As soon as a certain percentage loss occurs in a session for the casino that the connection or the current session is terminated.
And now times even more honest bone....
There are enough people who had the same experience as me here...and explain to me why then "randomly" the connection to the slot was gone, when my Internet continued to work, the game did not even jerk or tried to restore the connection. It was just a notice that the connection is gone and I should restart the slot and a thick red button on the exit. No way to reconnect (within) the session being played.
In addition, I share here only my experiences, which also belong here in the thread
I do not criticize your experiences, I only give a possible explanation. You don't have to accept it. It must have nothing at all to do with your Internet if the slot breaks. As I said, I can also understand your mistrust but it is more likely that you just lost at gambling (who's surprised).
I am not surprised that many people here had this experience. Also with me a slot has already broken off. I don't know if I won or lost something after that, probably lost like most of the time, but of course it stayed in my memory. What I was trying to say was: Why should Videoslots let you win first and then realize something is wrong, he must lose now? That's not logical, especially considering that it's more logical to lose than to win.
It honestly saddens me as a player how little fun in the game some here seem to have. I don't believe that any entity controls what I win or lose depending on my profile, I believe in mathematics and house advantage.
@Samira: I still find your case from the start post interesting and I definitely wouldn't exclude that it is pure coincidence. I find Akas theory on page 1 the most plausible. (Doesn't do anything to the topic but concerning the World Trade Center I am completely with you. There is definitely not only black and white. Not everything that is said is true and not everything is a lie.)
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9th May. 2018, at 12:12 am CEST#197
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Bone wrote on 09/05/2018 at 00:01: Of course no player is in plus, I really didn't mean to say that. I am not in plus myself. I wanted to explicitly say that there are players who are in a casino in the plus and can continue to win because it is mathematically quite possible, just win always more unlikely than win. I agree with you only partially about the innocence of the players in payout problems. When I read here again and again how someone lost his money in the SuperRoyalWinnerVegasJackpotGARANTIE! Casino with a license from Atlantis does not get paid, then I give the player a partial blame. Because it is very reckless to Deposit your money on websites that you have not checked before. For me this falls into the same category as sending money to the infamous prince from Africa who sent a mail. If a player in a reputable or a European licensed casino has not received his payout then you already know my opinion. I'm not blaming the player for the stupid bonus rules and I'm really not defending the casinos that work like this. I just oppose the term fraud. Maybe I'm too pedantic but fraud is for me still total rip-off. You can see here in the forum actually how many people have problems with a payout but all these people have played in the end in dubious casinos or violate terms and conditions. I do not approve of the terms and conditions but there is also no diabolical arbitrariness of the casino to recognize.
Are you now interfering here because you have a personal problem with me because you somehow still think I would work for Wunderino? Because that's bullshit you know by now.
(Before it comes to disagreements, I don't want to deny you your opinion of course but the only thing you wrote now was basically how crappy you think I am and couldn't even suppress that I'm actually in the right here)
No, I just wanted to show that not only strkie partly blows the wrong horn. He makes it just more offensive and unambiguous, you insult and provoke but also very much in part, just with a kind very from above down, waive thereby just on swear words - thats it.
I have given you neither right nor wrong. How should I have done that if - I quote you - but the only thing you wrote now was basically how shit you think I am and couldn't even suppress that I am actually in the right here)
And that's what I mean: You often contradict yourself and that in just one sentence, but then treat others as if they were stupid and you were far superior to them in intelligence. Something like that I just do not like in principle.
But of course I mean everyone here and I also see very well that other users in this thread could strike a different tone.
Random wrote on 09.05.2018 at 00:12 Clock
No, I just wanted to represent once that not only strkie partly blows the wrong horn. He makes it just more offensive and clearer, you insult and provoke but partly also very, just with a kind of very from above down, waive just on expletives - thats it.
I have given you neither right nor wrong. How should I have done that if - I quote you - but the only thing you wrote now was basically how shit you think I am and couldn't even suppress that I am actually in the right here)
And that's what I mean: You often contradict yourself and that in just one sentence, but then treat others as if they were stupid and you were far superior to them in intelligence. Something like that I just do not like in principle.
But of course I mean everyone here and I also see very well that other users in this thread could strike a different tone.
Well now you have to see but also fair that I was insulted over pages as a child that lives with mom and when gambling can not talk at all. That I no longer met this person with the maximum of respect was perhaps not right but that was just too much for me because that was just blunt inventions, not a single assertion corresponded to the truth and I just felt insulted.
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9th May. 2018, at 12:19 am CEST#199
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Bones wrote on 09.05.2018 at 00:15 Clock
Well now you have to see but also fair that I was insulted over pages as a child that lives with mom and can not even talk when gaming. That I no longer met this person with the maximum of respect was perhaps not right but that was just too much for me because that was just blunt inventions, not a single assertion corresponded to the truth and I just felt insulted.
Yes, that was the more "offensive" approach I meant and hence my last sentence from the post above:
But of course I mean everyone here and I also see very well that other users in this thread could strike a different tone.
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9th May. 2018, at 01:28 pm CEST#200
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This has also happened to me umpteen times, that during a good run the connection should suddenly no longer be given... somehow, then stands... their Internet connection is too weak or the like. Restart the game... and poof, the good run has also said goodbye. Partly it is even so, that I almost expect it when it runs better and then always hope that it does not happen, because it has happened to me really often. Well, coincidence or not, you don't know. But one thing is for sure, it has never happened when it went badly. There are also casinos where the game has to be interrupted because of the mention of the duration of the game, when you decide to continue playing, it is often worse when it was going well before. Oddly enough, there are also casinos that also only show this indicator when things are going well, but not when I lose while playing for a long time. Well, whether this can block the good run? No idea. What is certain, however, is that 9 out of 10 cancellations resulted in rapid losses for me afterwards.
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Well, who starts now again to insult subliminally?
Just because you don't understand a subject doesn't mean that there is no such thing.
This will happen to you very often in your life!
If the casinos would set a RTP of 10%, no one would notice.
That was my statement. Read correctly!
By the way, no one has to cheat!
Is it done nevertheless?
For the 1000 times, that motive is money!
To earn even more!
That has to do nevertheless zero with it whether someone has it necessary.
And that is what I mean. You just don't get it.
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Only because almost the whole world the opinion was instilled, that 9.11 to the terrorism has to owe .... and both towers came ONLY by airplanes to the fall explained it still far not why building 7, a third, in the same way, like the two others in itself collapsed, although nothing flew in there.
Am I now a conspiracy theorist because I do not believe in the official version? No, I see it differently. Because nobody can explain to me plausibly why building 7 also collapsed. For me the official version seems to be rather the conspiracy... and a lie does not become also in this case the truth, even if even half the world population stands behind it...
I got my bonus, I was promised a win, I got it, and now I'm putting 1+1 together. Whether my result is the correct one, I cannot prove, but I can conclude for me that I am one experience richer and from it something result or continue as before.
Have a nice evening ðŸ™'
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Now let's be honest bones...
I can understand that there may be people who just do not WANT to understand what this is all about...
Seriously now, I find 150€ absolutely not worth paying out, if I have the daily verballert. What Videoslots has from it, perhaps simply saved money? I do not say that one sits in front of the PC and waits until he flips the switch with me, but simply that it is an automated event. As soon as a certain percentage loss occurs in a session for the casino that the connection or the current session is terminated.
And now times even more honest bone....
There are enough people who had the same experience as me here...and explain to me why then "randomly" the connection to the slot was gone, when my Internet continued to work, the game did not even jerk or tried to restore the connection. It was just a notice that the connection is gone and I should restart the slot and a thick red button on the exit. No way to reconnect (within) the session being played.
In addition, I share here only my experiences, which also belong here in the thread
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Well bone, you meet others here already very condescending, but are also very naive in many topics and not exactly open-minded when it comes to other opinions. You are not very different from the "other side", you just do it with other more subtle means. But that is not necessarily better.
And apparently you have never been active in a gamers forum before, because this discussion exists since you can play online for money. You won't find a gamers forum where this discussion hasn't been discussed x times.
And it is wonderful if there are players who have never had problems with a payout. But as you can see here in the forum alone, there are a lot of players who have problems. And this is not due to the players but to the fact that there are unfortunately many dubious casinos.
Here you can then also observe again and again that you are there rather on the casino side, talk it up or first assume that the good holy online casino acts there right or a small individual error has occurred. At the latest, I ask myself what you want in a players forum, because the word player implies that you want to find fair conditions as a player, in other words: You are actually acting against your own interests. Unless maybe you are not a player at all?
And now you have formulated the sentence nicely, so that one cannot nail you, but no, as good as no player is in the plus. There you can also write IN A casino. But if you read quickly over it, the sentence comes across as if there are enough winning players, which is just totally wrong. If you are not the total hobby player who deposits 10 euros three times a year, then you will not find any player who is in the plus.
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Are you now interfering here because you have a personal problem with me because you somehow still think I would work for Wunderino? Because that's bullshit you know by now.
(Before it comes to disagreements, I do not want to deny you your opinion, of course, but the only thing you have written now was basically how crap you find me and could not even suppress that I'm actually in the right here)
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I do not criticize your experiences, I only give a possible explanation. You don't have to accept it. It must have nothing at all to do with your Internet if the slot breaks. As I said, I can also understand your mistrust but it is more likely that you just lost at gambling (who's surprised).
I am not surprised that many people here had this experience. Also with me a slot has already broken off. I don't know if I won or lost something after that, probably lost like most of the time, but of course it stayed in my memory. What I was trying to say was: Why should Videoslots let you win first and then realize something is wrong, he must lose now? That's not logical, especially considering that it's more logical to lose than to win.
It honestly saddens me as a player how little fun in the game some here seem to have. I don't believe that any entity controls what I win or lose depending on my profile, I believe in mathematics and house advantage.
@Samira: I still find your case from the start post interesting and I definitely wouldn't exclude that it is pure coincidence. I find Akas theory on page 1 the most plausible. (Doesn't do anything to the topic but concerning the World Trade Center I am completely with you. There is definitely not only black and white. Not everything that is said is true and not everything is a lie.)
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No, I just wanted to show that not only strkie partly blows the wrong horn. He makes it just more offensive and unambiguous, you insult and provoke but also very much in part, just with a kind very from above down, waive thereby just on swear words - thats it.
I have given you neither right nor wrong. How should I have done that if - I quote you - but the only thing you wrote now was basically how shit you think I am and couldn't even suppress that I am actually in the right here)
And that's what I mean: You often contradict yourself and that in just one sentence, but then treat others as if they were stupid and you were far superior to them in intelligence. Something like that I just do not like in principle.
But of course I mean everyone here and I also see very well that other users in this thread could strike a different tone.
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Well now you have to see but also fair that I was insulted over pages as a child that lives with mom and when gambling can not talk at all. That I no longer met this person with the maximum of respect was perhaps not right but that was just too much for me because that was just blunt inventions, not a single assertion corresponded to the truth and I just felt insulted.
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Yes, that was the more "offensive" approach I meant and hence my last sentence from the post above:
But of course I mean everyone here and I also see very well that other users in this thread could strike a different tone.
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