stkrie and Samira, I share your opinion and am glad that there are at least 1-2 people who are convinced that the OCs manipulate or can. At some point the day will come when everyone calls for "scandal" and "I would never have thought". But I take it also no one badly who does not believe in it, because it is also not easy to recognize that...
Everywhere there are these "awesome" winning videos of streamers who play with fakemoney, these advertise the OCs with Bonuses and still get affilates.
We are always and everywhere eingeflöst how safe but everything is and how fair but everything runs. "All your money is gone after a few minutes, every day the same thing happens... but hey you have nen RTP of 96%!" d You win for months just barely to nothing more... have these "Bad Luck" strokes... but hey you have nen RTP of 96%!
You once EXCEPTIONALLY managed to double your Deposit "An error has occurred, please restart the game(session). Zack as bewitched eumelt EVER which game only down... but hey you have nen RTP of 96%! Well done! ....actually this is not funny but rather sad...
Also everyone who earns his money with Online Casinos whether the streamers or anyone else... as long as they get money keep the F*****. As soon as it becomes somehow and sometime rechtswiedrig want to be again no one. I hardly play and if then only on Videoslots because I have long ago let me lock everywhere. I take on Fri still the Weekendbooster with and then this casino will also get ne sperre. Then I prefer to go to the rancid Spielo next door, because there it really means either you sit at the right machine or not.
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You are absolutely right.
In the Spielo or casino, perhaps not everything runs 100%, but at least there is no Verification harassment and the money is paid out directly
and the money is paid out directly. No bonus garbage, no back and forth bookings, until you have finally
but has gambled away
I see quite the same
@Samira
I have explained it really long and wide with the casinos, and what I mean.
And you are right. Everyone is his fortune forger, and can believe
believe what he wants!
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Marqes wrote on 08/05/2018 at 01:52: Oh I do not feel attacked.
Just because I spoke up because of the 20 cent,it doesn't mean I only play on 20 cent lol, I just don't like that something is in the room like : cool is only who plays on 10 Euro Pro Spin, there we get into the ridiculous. And the players who do not have so much money as Kinderzocker are dismissed.
Everyone plays the way he likes and his finances allow it .
I find it amazing how some here so much reinsteigern there, as if there was nothing else .
People relax, let's get back to the topic or is actually already said everything.
OC's cheat us, RTP is forn ass.
You just have to remember, no one forces you to pay anything.
And yet we all continue to gamble.
Makes even times fun to talk about topics but I think this is son Endlosthema .
That's just it: despite all the complaining but all continue to gamble Reduce, keep breaks, play less...more you can not do in the end. This is for me like really corrosive corporations, eg Nestle or so: do not buy the shit! Nevertheless, "almost" all gamble here and so the casino wins in the end anyway. But I revise my previous statements a little bit: of course it's not all the same and I also believe that there is something to it. It's just that I don't think it's worth the effort to get so worked up about it. The easiest way is to pay less or not play at all (easier said than done)
and how the RTP works, Daniel has already explained many times...don't know why this must be discussed so often. In the thread here, there is certainly no one more through ðŸ˜
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Danielowitch; as this thread alone has shown, there are fortunately more than 1-2 people who are convinced that things are not right in the OC industry. And that's just the Tip of the iceberg, I'm sure that at least every 2nd already had his doubts or has.
Stkie; My talk. It does not always show the desired success, into something purely zusteigern, if the veil of the glare, still with preference is carried.
Avantgarde83; It is no matter how sympathetically you also try to convey your words, if you thereby still on the Theoretische Funktinonsweise of the RTP and to the associated explanation of your Messiah pochst, you clarify with it only, that you either contributions not read or simply nothing understood have.
Sure, in principle, such threads are superfluous. Either you stop, or take it all in,
and continue gambling
But still, such discussions are important to see if your own feeling is deceptive,
or whether others have made similar experiences.
That with the RTP I have never doubted, I even understand it!
It could be e.g. as follows: Similar to the draw procedure here at Paysafecards.
The chip randomly selects a field. There is either nothing, a small win or a big win.
Of course there are much more fields for no and small wins than for big ones
Somewhere the selection mechanism stops, and on that field there is something or not.
But the chip is not set to 96%, but can either do completely what it wants, or
it follows a given pattern. Or the RTP is 40%,
or he could have defaults that play out far less than 96%.
Who knows here?
But maybe he has no defaults at all, and the fields with the high wins are so rare,
that they are almost never hit by probability or mathematics.
No one knows what is going on.
An RTP would be completely unnecessary in such a procedure, because it is simply not needed.
I would only include an RTP to reassure the players that they have a fair chance
fair chance. That would be the famous bad luck
IT-wise, so much is possible, and this is just one example of how it could go
could happen.
Also Daniel has the explanations only from the game manufacturers or casino operators.
Yes, of course they confirm it, but that doesn't mean anything, since none of us can check it.
And there we are at the crux of the matter.
I have a proof for almost everything in life, where my money goes, or how it is worked with
with it. But when it comes to gambling, I have no idea how it really works. They could screw me from top to
from top to bottom, without me knowing it.
And it's clear that there are winners from time to time. Otherwise they make themselves completely untrustworthy.
That could also be theoretically controllable, no one knows.
That I the Casinos yes all in fog cover, nourishes that naturally such suspicion.
They want to clarify also nothing. If you have a problem, it goes to the strange control committee.
You never get to see anything. Nobody knows what they talk about among themselves.
They shy away from legal proceedings, or no one has ever done so.
I also believe that in a court case, the whole house of cards would collapse, because they would have to disclose everything
would have to disclose. Therefore, the casino would probably ultimately give in or start a settlement
start. This could also be a reason why there has not been a trial yet.
In addition, it is of course expensive, because in Malta.
Besides, they are asked to pay beforehand by lawyers. So they have enough time
to react to it. They could destroy or change evidence, who knows.
I think they will employ good IT people.
Casinos can basically do whatever they want.
This is all a thought experiment, but it could happen.
That is cheated in any form, of which I am absolutely convinced!
@Samira
That's also what bone did not understand, but I have a mission and I do not give up
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Samira wrote on 08.05.2018 at 11:49 am: Danielowitch; as has been shown in this thread alone, there are fortunately more than just 1-2 people who are convinced that there is something wrong in the OC industry. And that's just the Tip of the iceberg, I'm sure at least every 2nd person has had their doubts.
Stkie; My talk. It does not always show the desired success, into something purely zusteigern, if the veil of the glare, still with preference is carried.
Avantgarde83; It is no matter how sympathetically you also try to convey your words, if you thereby still on the Theoretische Funktinonsweise of the RTP and to the associated explanation of your Messiah pochst, you clarify with it only, that you either contributions not read or simply nothing understood have.
The with the RTP I have not traced back or I have not dealt with...I was about the entry point that the employee there knew which slots are currently running.
Couldn't it be that the casinos know which slots are running and how (in order to calculate what the wins and losses are) but they can't influence them? I mean, if I run a casino, I would at least like to keep an overview.
Of course, the question remains how it is with the "coincidence", if you can see everything so and it vll yet everything is fixed in advance. Exciting in any case.
Well, let's see how that develops in the next time...seem to get out currently some or to play significantly less
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So as soon as I know which slots "go", I can also influence them.
Since everything goes allegedly after the coincidence principle, it can consequently thus
nobody knows. If someone knows, they can be influenced.
Unless we are back at the fraud......
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stkrie wrote on 08.05.2018 at 16:03: So once I know which slots "go", I can also influence them.
Since everything is supposedly random after all, so consequently it can be
nobody knows. If someone knows, they can be influenced.
Unless we are back at the fraud......
I meant something like a display, where the employees of the OCs see what is going on - if it is going great, good, medium or bad at the moment...without them being able to "switch" it. Let's say a random generator runs 24 hours and has good and bad phases and the employees can see if a slot is throwing something or if nothing is going on. Of course, it is then somehow true that the "coincidence" is quite predictable and programmed - ergo not present. Difficult topic. I would also be interested in how exactly this happens ðŸ˜
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Yes, but the thread was opened with the hint, the schmeisst in any case.
But this series could be over at any time.
It has been promised a win in principle anyway.
Even if a slot goes well, that can be any second around.
That's just the strange thing
As if they knew that the slot still e.g. 10 minutes wins out!
Or it is adjustable, or or or......
Well, gamble anyway only very rarely.
I am someone who does not get the neck full, and then eventually loses everything.
But I don't blame any casino for that, it's my own fault.
And that makes quitting really easier. Then just think, even if you win 2000 €,
you'll keep gambling anyway and lose it all. Since I have this thinking, it works!
Just played again ne game and absolutely this strange situation has occurred with me. First it went really well came together quite well what. I played reactoonz... no idea why I play this again and again...
Was circa at 150€ PLÖTZLICH supposedly the connection was gone? The slot has made no appearance after neither lagged nor anything else... was of course forced to restart the game to start a new session...and what I have already guessed... it ran grottig. 100€ down to 0.60 cents and not once even remotely showed the Gargantoon.
Let me tell someone else that is all coincidence... the one also believes that Gina Wild is a virgin. Have me now also locked at Videoslots so slowly it's all a bit too colorful for me.
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Everywhere there are these "awesome" winning videos of streamers who play with fakemoney, these advertise the OCs with Bonuses and still get affilates.
We are always and everywhere eingeflöst how safe but everything is and how fair but everything runs. "All your money is gone after a few minutes, every day the same thing happens... but hey you have nen RTP of 96%!" d You win for months just barely to nothing more... have these "Bad Luck" strokes... but hey you have nen RTP of 96%!
You once EXCEPTIONALLY managed to double your Deposit "An error has occurred, please restart the game(session). Zack as bewitched eumelt EVER which game only down... but hey you have nen RTP of 96%! Well done! ....actually this is not funny but rather sad...
Also everyone who earns his money with Online Casinos whether the streamers or anyone else... as long as they get money keep the F*****. As soon as it becomes somehow and sometime rechtswiedrig want to be again no one. I hardly play and if then only on Videoslots because I have long ago let me lock everywhere. I take on Fri still the Weekendbooster with and then this casino will also get ne sperre. Then I prefer to go to the rancid Spielo next door, because there it really means either you sit at the right machine or not.
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In the Spielo or casino, perhaps not everything runs 100%, but at least there is no Verification harassment and the money is paid out directly
and the money is paid out directly. No bonus garbage, no back and forth bookings, until you have finally
but has gambled away
I see quite the same
@Samira
I have explained it really long and wide with the casinos, and what I mean.
And you are right. Everyone is his fortune forger, and can believe
believe what he wants!
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That's just it: despite all the complaining but all continue to gamble Reduce, keep breaks, play less...more you can not do in the end. This is for me like really corrosive corporations, eg Nestle or so: do not buy the shit! Nevertheless, "almost" all gamble here and so the casino wins in the end anyway. But I revise my previous statements a little bit: of course it's not all the same and I also believe that there is something to it. It's just that I don't think it's worth the effort to get so worked up about it. The easiest way is to pay less or not play at all (easier said than done)
and how the RTP works, Daniel has already explained many times...don't know why this must be discussed so often. In the thread here, there is certainly no one more through ðŸ˜
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Stkie; My talk. It does not always show the desired success, into something purely zusteigern, if the veil of the glare, still with preference is carried.
Avantgarde83; It is no matter how sympathetically you also try to convey your words, if you thereby still on the Theoretische Funktinonsweise of the RTP and to the associated explanation of your Messiah pochst, you clarify with it only, that you either contributions not read or simply nothing understood have.
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and continue gambling
But still, such discussions are important to see if your own feeling is deceptive,
or whether others have made similar experiences.
That with the RTP I have never doubted, I even understand it!
It could be e.g. as follows: Similar to the draw procedure here at Paysafecards.
The chip randomly selects a field. There is either nothing, a small win or a big win.
Of course there are much more fields for no and small wins than for big ones
Somewhere the selection mechanism stops, and on that field there is something or not.
But the chip is not set to 96%, but can either do completely what it wants, or
it follows a given pattern. Or the RTP is 40%,
or he could have defaults that play out far less than 96%.
Who knows here?
But maybe he has no defaults at all, and the fields with the high wins are so rare,
that they are almost never hit by probability or mathematics.
No one knows what is going on.
An RTP would be completely unnecessary in such a procedure, because it is simply not needed.
I would only include an RTP to reassure the players that they have a fair chance
fair chance. That would be the famous bad luck
IT-wise, so much is possible, and this is just one example of how it could go
could happen.
Also Daniel has the explanations only from the game manufacturers or casino operators.
Yes, of course they confirm it, but that doesn't mean anything, since none of us can check it.
And there we are at the crux of the matter.
I have a proof for almost everything in life, where my money goes, or how it is worked with
with it. But when it comes to gambling, I have no idea how it really works. They could screw me from top to
from top to bottom, without me knowing it.
And it's clear that there are winners from time to time. Otherwise they make themselves completely untrustworthy.
That could also be theoretically controllable, no one knows.
That I the Casinos yes all in fog cover, nourishes that naturally such suspicion.
They want to clarify also nothing. If you have a problem, it goes to the strange control committee.
You never get to see anything. Nobody knows what they talk about among themselves.
They shy away from legal proceedings, or no one has ever done so.
I also believe that in a court case, the whole house of cards would collapse, because they would have to disclose everything
would have to disclose. Therefore, the casino would probably ultimately give in or start a settlement
start. This could also be a reason why there has not been a trial yet.
In addition, it is of course expensive, because in Malta.
Besides, they are asked to pay beforehand by lawyers. So they have enough time
to react to it. They could destroy or change evidence, who knows.
I think they will employ good IT people.
Casinos can basically do whatever they want.
This is all a thought experiment, but it could happen.
That is cheated in any form, of which I am absolutely convinced!
@Samira
That's also what bone did not understand, but I have a mission and I do not give up
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The with the RTP I have not traced back or I have not dealt with...I was about the entry point that the employee there knew which slots are currently running.
Couldn't it be that the casinos know which slots are running and how (in order to calculate what the wins and losses are) but they can't influence them? I mean, if I run a casino, I would at least like to keep an overview.
Of course, the question remains how it is with the "coincidence", if you can see everything so and it vll yet everything is fixed in advance. Exciting in any case.
Well, let's see how that develops in the next time...seem to get out currently some or to play significantly less
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Since everything goes allegedly after the coincidence principle, it can consequently thus
nobody knows. If someone knows, they can be influenced.
Unless we are back at the fraud......
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I meant something like a display, where the employees of the OCs see what is going on - if it is going great, good, medium or bad at the moment...without them being able to "switch" it. Let's say a random generator runs 24 hours and has good and bad phases and the employees can see if a slot is throwing something or if nothing is going on. Of course, it is then somehow true that the "coincidence" is quite predictable and programmed - ergo not present. Difficult topic. I would also be interested in how exactly this happens ðŸ˜
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But this series could be over at any time.
It has been promised a win in principle anyway.
Even if a slot goes well, that can be any second around.
That's just the strange thing
As if they knew that the slot still e.g. 10 minutes wins out!
Or it is adjustable, or or or......
Well, gamble anyway only very rarely.
I am someone who does not get the neck full, and then eventually loses everything.
But I don't blame any casino for that, it's my own fault.
And that makes quitting really easier. Then just think, even if you win 2000 €,
you'll keep gambling anyway and lose it all. Since I have this thinking, it works!
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Was circa at 150€ PLÖTZLICH supposedly the connection was gone? The slot has made no appearance after neither lagged nor anything else... was of course forced to restart the game to start a new session...and what I have already guessed... it ran grottig. 100€ down to 0.60 cents and not once even remotely showed the Gargantoon.
Let me tell someone else that is all coincidence... the one also believes that Gina Wild is a virgin. Have me now also locked at Videoslots so slowly it's all a bit too colorful for me.
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