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6th May. 2018, at 11:58 pm CEST#141
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stkrie.... you are really just here to stress others....
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6th May. 2018, at 11:58 pm CEST#142
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And again, no meaningful contribution. Yawn....
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7th May. 2018, at 02:07 am CEST#143
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Marqes wrote on 06/05/2018 at 23:51
You didn't reply here or to the personal messages from me, why not?Or did I read it over here?
So again:
How did you have contact with the support, in chat or by mail?
Were you offered a no Deposit bonus or did you have to deposit anything?
Which two slots were recommended to you?
And you say a bonus for two games was offered to you.
Is there any Bonus money that can only be used for two specific games, i.e. free spins, yes, but bonus money that can only be used for two games?
LG
Sry... that I have not responded. Weather was nice and I celebrated. Now it is also so, that I find the discussion a little out of hand. Find I not so nice, it makes me less fun to participate. However, I'm happy to answer your questions... So, the communication was via chat, there was a NoDeposit Bonus for the slots Charm Rainbow and the other game was something with Reel. I didn't have the possibility to use the bonus for other slots, only for the two slots I had credit on it again. When I won something, the credit was also available for all other slots. So in short... slots were selected that were "hot" in their opinion and a win was guaranteed. They could have simply given out a bonus and left me spoiled for choice, but they did not. Why? No idea.
Skrie I share your opinion, however, I find it not good as you often cross the line by attacking other members. The same applies of course to those affected even if not as bad as Skrie, but still subliminally insulting and thus attack themselves.
Discussions can be really exciting and enriching, but only if each individual may freely express his opinion without being attacked and each participant is always trying to maintain a respectful level.
I personally understand the principle of gambling vlt differently. For me, luck is only luck when it is not calculating, even if I'm wrong and really only the super RTP something controls this actually already proves that Online Casinos do not have the slightest to do with luck. There is no need for control, if the probability of a payout is already enormously low e.g. Lotto.
And by the fact that all play and no matter where, a certain pattern follows, I can simply no longer believe that only a RTP of which no one knows how the really works and not only in theory I'm talking about practice, is the all decisive. And if that were so, then exactly this RTP is the fraud which paradoxically is still celebrated by many.
Let everyone spend his money as and where he wants it, but fraudulent I find it, that is not played with open cards and entire livelihoods can go to the bottom and are already.
Samira wrote on 07/05/2018 at 02:07 PM
Sry... for not responding. Weather was beautiful and I celebrated that. Now it is also so,that I find the discussion a little out of hand. Find I not so nice, it makes me less fun to participate. However, I'm happy to answer your questions... So, the communication was via chat, there was a NoDeposit Bonus for the slots Charm Rainbow and the other game was something with Reel. I didn't have the possibility to use the bonus for other slots, only for the two slots I had credit on it again. When I won something, the credit was also available for all other slots. So in short... slots were selected that were "hot" in their opinion and a win was guaranteed. They could have simply given out a bonus and left me spoiled for choice, but they did not. Why? No idea.
Skrie I share your opinion, however, I find it not good as you often cross the line by attacking other members. The same applies of course to those affected even if not as bad as Skrie, but still subliminally insulting and thus attack themselves.
Discussions can be really exciting and enriching, but only if each individual may freely express his opinion without being attacked and each participant is always trying to maintain a respectful level.
I personally understand the principle of gambling vlt differently. For me, luck is only luck when it is not calculating, even if I'm wrong and really only the super RTP something controls this actually already proves that Online Casinos do not have the slightest to do with luck. There is no need for control, if the probability of a payout is already enormously low e.g. Lotto.
And by the fact that all play and no matter where, a certain pattern follows, I can simply no longer believe that only a RTP of which no one knows how the really works and not only in theory I'm talking about practice, is the all decisive. And if that were so, then exactly this RTP is the fraud which paradoxically is still celebrated by many.
Let everyone spend his money as and where he wants it, but fraudulent I find it, that is not played with open cards and entire livelihoods can go to the bottom and are already.
Thank you for the answer.
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7th May. 2018, at 12:29 pm CEST#145
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Samira, you said that beautifully, and I accept the criticism and it is also justified.
Nevertheless, I do not let me from a 25-year-old pants-shitting show, what he has tried to
insult, and then still subliminally say, I would be unemployed,
because I spend so much time in this forum.
And that he with his 25 years has probably already done more than I.
Point 1.
He seems arrogant and arrogant to others.
Point 2.
He throws around foreign words. If he is asked by others that it is not so, there is no answer
that it is not true, there is no answer. He himself does not know what they mean.
Point 3.
His maximum seven-year gambling career is just too ridiculous. He can actually have zero say,
but has already started 200 forum posts in 3 weeks. And everywhere the child has a clue about.
Yeah sure.
Point 4.
His independence can not go so well, otherwise he would not be here permanentlyonline. Especially the first time
as a self-employed person you are under permanent stress.
Point 5.
He really hasn't experienced anything yet, except the thrill of 20cent stakes at slots.
Point 6.
Bruach I do not let me explain the RTP here and make me look stupid, when it is about something
something completely different.
Point 7.
Defends almost all casinos, although there are a lot of problems with Wunderino.
Point 8.
As a high school graduate, he does not know how to put commas, but he likes to teach others directly. (s. Calculation RTP)
In such a case, I will always express my opinion, even if it comes across as insulting
should.
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7th May. 2018, at 08:43 pm CEST#146
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I have reached page 15 with reading. Had also already said my opinion. I was the one with the 'All Slots' experience. I have played in many casinos . And not with 20 cents . That's kid's stuff . It was stakes of 2 euros - 20 euros per game ! After years I claim , the stakes , determine the wins . The higher you went with the stakes, the more rare came the wins. How can this be, if the ingenious ' random generator ' does not distinguish between 20 cents, 50 cents or 20 euros per spin . All who still believe in chance - you are primitive . Even Daniel always wanted to tell me the casinos do not do it because it hurts the reputation . And I agree with stkrie - and yes, VW again . They have cheated . Do you seriously think these people will be honest for the rest of their lives from now on ? Wake up people . Fraud brings companies more than token punishments ( monetary payments ) . Welcome to 2018!!!!! and this is no different in Online Casinos . stkrie is absolutely right
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7th May. 2018, at 10:15 pm CEST#147
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I have to add my two cents about the manipulation.
I have now noticed in several Online Casinos that you get a win after depositing a few 20 euros.
This can then be paid out or you play in mercilessly down.
If you do the former, then the slots run on the side from which you have recently received money, significantly worse and I mean it!
I have noticed this several times, just experienced again today: 600 euros win received, today again in the same casino 100 euros eingecasht and it ran absolutely bad compared to my last sessions until the 1st payout.
So the casino has already received 100 euros back from me!
Will now definitely pull myself together this month and not Deposit a cent more there!
I know that the games run on the server of the manufacturer, but I still think the whole thing is not purely left to chance.
Scheme:
1. You pay in
2. You win, get paid and are hooked.
3. The OC gets the win back (as a rule, that's how it is !
Just my two cents... the more you gamble and win the more you lose again. (Keyword: Gambling addiction).
Oh yeah, one more thing:
In the test reports I noticed something, I do not know if that also belongs to the coincidence:
Daniel won e.g. at LeoVegas at the beginning 1000 euros - that was with me also so.
Likewise, the tester at Dunder won 750 euros at the beginning - so also with me.
All coincidence? I do not know...
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7th May. 2018, at 11:19 pm CEST#148
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@Sigura43 @Starwalker
Thanks for your opinion
Also my opinion: The higher the stakes, the less comes with rum!
I also don't know why people always think that in a casino everything is so safe
is so safe. Maybe they want to believe it in order to continue gambling, maybe they really believe it
they really believe it. I don't know. The fact is, there are simply too many consistent posts and opinions
and opinions from people who basically all had the same thing happen to them.
Won the first time in a casino, then just lost, lost everything just before they made the
Turnover at the Bnus have created although they have previously won well, that you used to be able to play much
longer for his money could play, even if you ultimately lost......
I've been gambling for just under 30 years, and also witnessed the beginnings of OC, like so many here.
I can confirm all that I have written here. And I am NOT a frustrated gamer.
I gamble much too seldom for that. Many people think that when they write such a thread
Thread the frustration must be high. That's really nonsense I'm just a realist, and let me
not like to be pulled over the table
Until a year ago, I gambled regularly, and a lot. Thank God not so extreme that
that I could no longer pay the bills. But by a good earnings went away there quite a bit.
I have already explained that, in principle, my only concern is that there should be more transparency
takes place. Since the casinos do not make that however, that will have its reasons
Also that there were still no legal proceedings against an OC, is for me a proof that nothing is going
runs with right things. The OC simply do not want to disclose anything. Before that they give in or
a settlement is proposed
And why? Because a more detailed examination of the documents would probably reveal much more than the actual
than the actual money claimed.
I don't know how they will do it in the end. Whether it is determined in advance who will win, which machine will be
which machine will be "unlocked", whether after an initial Deposit you will be in a win level for the first time, I don't know
i do not know. But there will be something
And this is not frustration talk, as it is always gladly dismissed.
We can not check anything, and have to rely on the statements of casinos.
Casinos are nothing more than companies that want to generate money. Whether legal or illegal
they, like other companies, will not care. And we also make it easy for them.
We accept all the terms and conditions, which are sometimes really violent.
We also accept the bonus rules, which are even harsher.
We get screwed on the verification.
We have no idea what is actually going on.
Zero transparency
Let's take the casinos' best excuse, the RTP. I am convinced there is no such thing.
It will simply be chance, with nothing given.
If I think about what I have lost in the 30 years, I am at an RTP of maybe
RTP of maybe 10%. That is a bad joke.
Sure, you lose in the long run, and the casino has an advantage of about 4%.
But it is so insisted that one loses on average about 4%.
So I come on average to 90%.
And I'm not talking about cases where I first won, and through greed lost again in the long run
in the long run. But simply the cases where the money (mostly around 200€ per casino) simply rattled through
through. Without free spins, with stakes of mostly 1 euro. And that happened to me to the mass so.
And not only me, but most here. Casinos and many forum members here refer then
to the RTP and to the luck - and bad luck rail
RTP is the nicest excuse and justification I have ever heard.
It is the total free ride. One thing that is supposed to exist, but which I have zero
understand.
It's the envy of all the casinos in the world.
The gaze frum here is full of addicts and over-indebted people. This is not meant
mean, but it's a fact
They also believed in RTP, at least in the beginning.
There are enough losers, but where are all the winners?
Jackpot and 20cent players times left out.
Here we go again, zero transparency. How should I know if the RTP is respected?
If it exists at all, and how it is programmed? Maybe it is set to 40%, who could
understand that?
There will probably be some security mechanisms. Even poble ones like the connection
in case of an absolute lucky streak. I think everyone has experienced this, and it is not a coincidence
Coincidence. If I lose, the connection stands!
I stimulate here only to thinking. Do not be so naive, it is here about a lot of
Coal. In addition, this zero-transparency strategy, which the casinos certainly do not
drive for nothing!
And why is there no casino, which discloses everything?
All casinos are the same. Whether Malta or Curacao.
And earn 20 million without cheating, and with 40 million, makes for the upper boss just times
the double income from!
The motive would also be quite clear!
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8th May. 2018, at 12:10 am CEST#149
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@strkie
Why are you always picking on the 0.20 cent players? I play only on 10 cents, but I am always in the plus.
Maybe you should try it with smaller amounts? Maybe your RTP of 10% will increase?
But as I have heard in other post from you, we low rollers are not "real" gamblers...oh man^^
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8th May. 2018, at 12:15 am CEST#150
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Yes, it's great.
Maybe.
No, for me it's not a gambler.
And further?
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Sry... that I have not responded. Weather was nice and I celebrated. Now it is also so, that I find the discussion a little out of hand. Find I not so nice, it makes me less fun to participate. However, I'm happy to answer your questions... So, the communication was via chat, there was a NoDeposit Bonus for the slots Charm Rainbow and the other game was something with Reel. I didn't have the possibility to use the bonus for other slots, only for the two slots I had credit on it again. When I won something, the credit was also available for all other slots. So in short... slots were selected that were "hot" in their opinion and a win was guaranteed. They could have simply given out a bonus and left me spoiled for choice, but they did not. Why? No idea.
Skrie I share your opinion, however, I find it not good as you often cross the line by attacking other members. The same applies of course to those affected even if not as bad as Skrie, but still subliminally insulting and thus attack themselves.
Discussions can be really exciting and enriching, but only if each individual may freely express his opinion without being attacked and each participant is always trying to maintain a respectful level.
I personally understand the principle of gambling vlt differently. For me, luck is only luck when it is not calculating, even if I'm wrong and really only the super RTP something controls this actually already proves that Online Casinos do not have the slightest to do with luck. There is no need for control, if the probability of a payout is already enormously low e.g. Lotto.
And by the fact that all play and no matter where, a certain pattern follows, I can simply no longer believe that only a RTP of which no one knows how the really works and not only in theory I'm talking about practice, is the all decisive. And if that were so, then exactly this RTP is the fraud which paradoxically is still celebrated by many.
Let everyone spend his money as and where he wants it, but fraudulent I find it, that is not played with open cards and entire livelihoods can go to the bottom and are already.
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Nevertheless, I do not let me from a 25-year-old pants-shitting show, what he has tried to
insult, and then still subliminally say, I would be unemployed,
because I spend so much time in this forum.
And that he with his 25 years has probably already done more than I.
Point 1.
He seems arrogant and arrogant to others.
Point 2.
He throws around foreign words. If he is asked by others that it is not so, there is no answer
that it is not true, there is no answer. He himself does not know what they mean.
Point 3.
His maximum seven-year gambling career is just too ridiculous. He can actually have zero say,
but has already started 200 forum posts in 3 weeks. And everywhere the child has a clue about.
Yeah sure.
Point 4.
His independence can not go so well, otherwise he would not be here permanentlyonline. Especially the first time
as a self-employed person you are under permanent stress.
Point 5.
He really hasn't experienced anything yet, except the thrill of 20cent stakes at slots.
Point 6.
Bruach I do not let me explain the RTP here and make me look stupid, when it is about something
something completely different.
Point 7.
Defends almost all casinos, although there are a lot of problems with Wunderino.
Point 8.
As a high school graduate, he does not know how to put commas, but he likes to teach others directly. (s. Calculation RTP)
In such a case, I will always express my opinion, even if it comes across as insulting
should.
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I have now noticed in several Online Casinos that you get a win after depositing a few 20 euros.
This can then be paid out or you play in mercilessly down.
If you do the former, then the slots run on the side from which you have recently received money, significantly worse and I mean it!
I have noticed this several times, just experienced again today: 600 euros win received, today again in the same casino 100 euros eingecasht and it ran absolutely bad compared to my last sessions until the 1st payout.
So the casino has already received 100 euros back from me!
Will now definitely pull myself together this month and not Deposit a cent more there!
I know that the games run on the server of the manufacturer, but I still think the whole thing is not purely left to chance.
Scheme:
1. You pay in
2. You win, get paid and are hooked.
3. The OC gets the win back (as a rule, that's how it is !
Just my two cents... the more you gamble and win the more you lose again. (Keyword: Gambling addiction).
Oh yeah, one more thing:
In the test reports I noticed something, I do not know if that also belongs to the coincidence:
Daniel won e.g. at LeoVegas at the beginning 1000 euros - that was with me also so.
Likewise, the tester at Dunder won 750 euros at the beginning - so also with me.
All coincidence? I do not know...
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Thanks for your opinion
Also my opinion: The higher the stakes, the less comes with rum!
I also don't know why people always think that in a casino everything is so safe
is so safe. Maybe they want to believe it in order to continue gambling, maybe they really believe it
they really believe it. I don't know. The fact is, there are simply too many consistent posts and opinions
and opinions from people who basically all had the same thing happen to them.
Won the first time in a casino, then just lost, lost everything just before they made the
Turnover at the Bnus have created although they have previously won well, that you used to be able to play much
longer for his money could play, even if you ultimately lost......
I've been gambling for just under 30 years, and also witnessed the beginnings of OC, like so many here.
I can confirm all that I have written here. And I am NOT a frustrated gamer.
I gamble much too seldom for that. Many people think that when they write such a thread
Thread the frustration must be high. That's really nonsense I'm just a realist, and let me
not like to be pulled over the table
Until a year ago, I gambled regularly, and a lot. Thank God not so extreme that
that I could no longer pay the bills. But by a good earnings went away there quite a bit.
I have already explained that, in principle, my only concern is that there should be more transparency
takes place. Since the casinos do not make that however, that will have its reasons
Also that there were still no legal proceedings against an OC, is for me a proof that nothing is going
runs with right things. The OC simply do not want to disclose anything. Before that they give in or
a settlement is proposed
And why? Because a more detailed examination of the documents would probably reveal much more than the actual
than the actual money claimed.
I don't know how they will do it in the end. Whether it is determined in advance who will win, which machine will be
which machine will be "unlocked", whether after an initial Deposit you will be in a win level for the first time, I don't know
i do not know. But there will be something
And this is not frustration talk, as it is always gladly dismissed.
We can not check anything, and have to rely on the statements of casinos.
Casinos are nothing more than companies that want to generate money. Whether legal or illegal
they, like other companies, will not care. And we also make it easy for them.
We accept all the terms and conditions, which are sometimes really violent.
We also accept the bonus rules, which are even harsher.
We get screwed on the verification.
We have no idea what is actually going on.
Zero transparency
Let's take the casinos' best excuse, the RTP. I am convinced there is no such thing.
It will simply be chance, with nothing given.
If I think about what I have lost in the 30 years, I am at an RTP of maybe
RTP of maybe 10%. That is a bad joke.
Sure, you lose in the long run, and the casino has an advantage of about 4%.
But it is so insisted that one loses on average about 4%.
So I come on average to 90%.
And I'm not talking about cases where I first won, and through greed lost again in the long run
in the long run. But simply the cases where the money (mostly around 200€ per casino) simply rattled through
through. Without free spins, with stakes of mostly 1 euro. And that happened to me to the mass so.
And not only me, but most here. Casinos and many forum members here refer then
to the RTP and to the luck - and bad luck rail
RTP is the nicest excuse and justification I have ever heard.
It is the total free ride. One thing that is supposed to exist, but which I have zero
understand.
It's the envy of all the casinos in the world.
The gaze frum here is full of addicts and over-indebted people. This is not meant
mean, but it's a fact
They also believed in RTP, at least in the beginning.
There are enough losers, but where are all the winners?
Jackpot and 20cent players times left out.
Here we go again, zero transparency. How should I know if the RTP is respected?
If it exists at all, and how it is programmed? Maybe it is set to 40%, who could
understand that?
There will probably be some security mechanisms. Even poble ones like the connection
in case of an absolute lucky streak. I think everyone has experienced this, and it is not a coincidence
Coincidence. If I lose, the connection stands!
I stimulate here only to thinking. Do not be so naive, it is here about a lot of
Coal. In addition, this zero-transparency strategy, which the casinos certainly do not
drive for nothing!
And why is there no casino, which discloses everything?
All casinos are the same. Whether Malta or Curacao.
And earn 20 million without cheating, and with 40 million, makes for the upper boss just times
the double income from!
The motive would also be quite clear!
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Why are you always picking on the 0.20 cent players? I play only on 10 cents, but I am always in the plus.
Maybe you should try it with smaller amounts? Maybe your RTP of 10% will increase?
But as I have heard in other post from you, we low rollers are not "real" gamblers...oh man^^
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Maybe.
No, for me it's not a gambler.
And further?
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