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Manipulation?! What do you think?
6th May. 2018, at 04:58 pm CEST#121
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Personally, I am firmly convinced that in all Online Casinos is manipulated, otherwise it is not explainable to me that almost without exception the casino grabs my coal and throws me at best times a small win in front of the feet, so that I hopefully stay at the bar.
To Aka, maybe you're right, that 99% do not know that is also irrelevant because it does not mean that is not cheated. I remember well, is maybe a two months ago, you did not want to trot out of this forum and devote less to the game and more to the family, what was the reason at that time, too many wins?
To bones, there I have a strange feeling, there I always think of the old saying, whose bread I it, the song I sing, but you are independent. I am of course aware that this is the Internet and you can accordingly safely state things in your resume that no one can ever check. The only point in which I agree with you, is that one should dispense with insults, because even these just like all relevant arguments do not change your opinion, you are like many people in our country absolutely resistant to reality, this bounces off you like water from the tail feathers of a duck. Should I be wrong with my assumption that you are in any form for one or more casinos active, it is inexplicable to me, how you can talk as a player casinos so to the mouth.
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6th May. 2018, at 05:00 pm CEST#122
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6th May. 2018, at 05:02 pm CEST#123
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Haeuptling wrote on 06/05/2018 at 16:03: Again who determines my happiness and how long my happiness lasts?
Why does the bank ALWAYS have to win?
If you have a system where in the end only the bank wins should but a person with common sense 1 u. 1 together can count and come to the conclusion that there is fraud in progress!
No the bank MUST win because otherwise the bank would have to close...
What about the people who have lost their hab and well by this system which system protects these people?
As long as there is no transparency, I and my like come to the end result that there are fraudulent machinations in the game.
The saying that the bank always wins simply refers to several components:
- the mathematical advantage of the bank.
The money only has to circulate long enough for the mathematical advantage to take effect. The casino can be in the red for a short time or even for a longer period - this is called Variance - but above a statistically relevant range, the value will adjust to the actual mathematical value.
As an example: You toss a coin, now it can happen that heads come twenty times in a row. Even with 1000 tosses there can still be a disproportion of 70:30. But if we now toss the coin 100,000 times, the value will be pretty much exactly 50:50. This is called a meaningful statistic.
- the greed (gambling addiction) of the players.
Here we come to the second and probably decisive point.
Since a player does not normally toss the coin 20 times, then go home and never play again, the bank gets the money back because the player tosses the coin 100,000 times.
But if you win 1 euro for every coin toss you win, but lose 2 euros for every coin you lose, then you have already lost 5 euros after 10 coin tosses.
- the crowd.
If there were a casino that had only one player and he only made 10 coin tosses, then the bank would not always win.
However, a casino normally has a large number of players and therefore a large number of coin tosses, so that so many coin tosses are made that the mathematical value and thus the house advantage takes effect.
Therefore, the saying that the bank always wins is completely correct.
Perhaps one could express it more exactly: The bank always wins in the long run.
Here, however, I am referring exclusively to live games.
Online casinos work the same way, of course, but I'm also skeptical.
Zaroo8 wrote on 06.05.2018 at 16:58: I personally am firmly convinced that in all Online Casinos is manipulated, otherwise it is not explainable to me that almost without exception the casino grabs my coal and throws me at best times a small win in front of the feet, so that I hopefully stay with the pole .
To Aka, maybe you're right, that 99% do not know that is also irrelevant because it does not mean that is not cheated. I remember well, is maybe a two months ago, you did not want to trot out of this forum and devote less to the game and more to the family, what was the reason at that time, too many wins?
To bones, there I have a strange feeling, there I always think of the old saying, whose bread I it, the song I sing, but you are independent. I am of course aware that this is the Internet and you can accordingly safely state things in your resume that no one can ever check. The only point in which I agree with you, is that one should dispense with insults, because even these just like all relevant arguments do not change your opinion, you are like many people in our country absolutely resistant to reality, this bounces off you like water from the tail feathers of a duck. Should I be wrong with my assumption that you are in any form for one or more casinos active, it is inexplicable to me, how you can talk as a player casinos so to the mouth.
I am definitely in no way active for any casino. I am professionally involved as an artist in music production or sound design and sound engineering in various projects but not even the music or sounds for any slot. I'm just a gamer who is probably less frustrated than the average person here. But that's only because I Deposit less, play less often and pay out my wins if there is one. I don't play somewhere else with my winnings, that's a principle.
I can understand the frustration, I had the same frustration for years in gambling houses. I thought of absurd theories, of surveillance cameras in Slot machines, of neighboring machines winning to encourage me to use more money, etc. I was very frustrated. I spent a lot of time thinking about these things and quickly realized that I wasn't alone. Personally, all this has brought me to the conclusion that the perception of gamblers is particularly distorted. If you look at the psychology of perception, one of the first theses is that nothing, not even what you see directly in front of you, is reality. Everything is distorted, all stimuli that your sensory organs send to your brain must be operated by your psyche and this is subject to strong perceptual disturbances. Subjective opinions play a bigger role than what someone has actually "experienced". For this reason, testimonies in court are the weakest evidence.
Gamers have a particularly selective perception and that makes sense. I can only advise anyone who thinks that everything in online casinos is fraud and systematically planned, that wins are just as deliberately controlled as losses and that with Bonuses you win more often so that the casino does not have to pay out, to stop playing. These are strong signs of addiction and under a logical approach, each of these claims fails mercilessly.
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Manipulation?! What do you think?
6th May. 2018, at 05:16 pm CEST#125
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@Random
The casinos even argue that a coin can fall on black a thousand times.
But it can also theoretically fall a thousand times on red.
That means that there should be people who only win for weeks.
The question is, why does it never do that?
I can remember a casino with Merkur games. Don't remember exactly which one.
Sunmaker or Platinumcasino or something like that. I had a fabulous run there.
deposited 50, and was at some point at just under 4000€
And suddenly I was kicked out, and my account was blocked.
When I asked, they said I should verify myself first because of the money laundering law.
Despite the money laundering law I only deposited 50€ and won the rest.
So it was complete bullshit. After the Verification then continued to gamble, and of course
like cut off.
That was the first time I felt like I had been ripped off. My lucky streak
was stopped under a pretext, so that it does not become too much.
Maybe they could also see that it would have gone on like this without forced separation, no one knows
no one knows. Maybe they also know that after a forced separation
most of the time you only lose. It was definitely a safety mechanism.
In favor of the casino.
The OC already have an advantage anyway because of their RTP.
The question is, is this advantage enough for them, or do they want to rake in more money?
I think they want to rake in more money. It's human nature!
Little by little, for example, the bonus rules were tightened.
The AGB`s tightened
The people notice that it does not run any longer in such a way "runs", as in former times.
Many report merciless crashes before the bonus is implemented,
although they have previously only won.
Of course, the human being with his greed also comes to it. Higher stakes, I want to win the thousand
still, then I stop etc......
However, these are things that I can influence as a player.
If something doesn't go right in the casino, I don't have that.
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Manipulation?! What do you think?
6th May. 2018, at 05:32 pm CEST#126
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stkrie wrote on 06/05/2018 at 17:16: @Random
I remember a casino with Merkur games. Don't remember exactly which one.
Sunmaker or Platinumcasino or something like that. I had a fabulous run there.
deposited 50, and was at some point at just under 4000€
And suddenly I was kicked out, and my account was blocked.
When asked, they said I should verify myself first because of the money laundering law.
Yes, typical pseudo argument of a casino.
This is where I see the much bigger problem. The harassment and fraud through terms and conditions and arbitrary actions of many casinos.
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Manipulation?! What do you think?
6th May. 2018, at 05:53 pm CEST#127
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6th May. 2018, at 06:06 pm CEST#128
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@ Random and Chief
I really hope that at some point everything will come out.
Unfortunately there was no successful lawsuit yet. The casinos have either given in in time
or the players have not even made the threats of a lawsuit come true
made true.
A court would have to get an insight into all records, servers, etc.. Also how the
Structure is, how the odds are, etc. And since courts of course have no idea about this
this would have to be done by experts who really know what they are talking about.
Is there therefore perhaps still no case that someone has sued, because the casinos then
then give in or propose a settlement?
Does one want to prevent at all costs that one must disclose everything?
I just think there are so many inconsistencies. In addition, the lack of transparency, the terms and conditions, the bonus rules, the situation in Malta far away,
that there can actually only be cheated. Since almost everyone would come to the idea to cheat.
And if I'm really sued by someone, I'll just give in quickly. And on goes the money rake.
As said, that are thought games, but quite ohen major problems enforceable.
A Casino, with which everything would be clearly evident, that times everything discloses, could save itself nevertheless before customers hardly.
Why is there not such a casino then?
Ultimately, the casinos always retreat to the RTP and to luck and bad luck.
The RTP is basically what more or less saves the casinos argumentatively.
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Manipulation?! What do you think?
6th May. 2018, at 06:24 pm CEST#129
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Chief wrote on 06/05/2018 at 17:00
You should actually ask this question to the Provider manufacturers u. the OC!
We just want more transparency.
And as long as there is no transparency, we can exchange our experiences here in the forum and if that doesn't suit some people here, they can type somewhere else...
CONTINUE EDITING!
for me it was about the insults and the rumgezicke...
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Manipulation?! What do you think?
6th May. 2018, at 10:28 pm CEST#130
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Your question:
Hello, how can it be that I only lose your casino? Even my girlfriend asks why I still pay in the casino. It's not fun anymore, it should be in the foreground or not?
Please be patient for a moment. One of our representatives will be with you shortly.
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21:58 Michael B: Hi there. How are you today?
21:58************* :
Well not so great and you?
21:59 Michael B: Sorry to hear that. I'mgood,thanks forasking!
22:00 Michael B: Unfortunately it seems that you have had a bad stroke of luck. Our games operate on random number generators which means that each spin is completely unique and the number We rent all our games from respected, famous and trustworthy game providers, as most casinos. This means that we cannot nor want to impact on how the games pay out - in fact we have nothing to do with that. Our site is continuously reviewed by a third party gaming regulators: spins does not increase any chances of winning.
22:03 j************: What should that tell me?
22:03 j************: That I should not play anymore with you due to my bad luck?
22:03************ : on Videoslots
22:04 j***********: for a while
22:04 Michael B: The number of spins does not increase your chances of winning. If you feel you are losing too much, you could consider applying a limit of some sort from your profile in the ''responsible gaming'' page.
22:05*********** : Its not the limit.
22:05 j***********: but the bad luck strike is now more than 2 Months
22:05 j**********: I rarely got beyond my Deposit
22:06 j********: And in the freeroll battles I do not win anyway.
22:07 Michael B: Yes I understand but what I am trying to say is that gambling can be like this. The games are completely random so it is pure luck.
22:08********* : but 2 months of bad luck? hmm
22:08****** : and i play every day here
22:09******** : so should i try my luck in another casino?
22:09********:or what Tip can you give me
22:10Michael B:Every casino operates on the same platforms.
22:10******:Okay
22:11Michael B:I would advise you to set a limit of some sort if you feel you are losing too much.
22:11******:No, I think I will just play less.
Always this nasty streak of bad luck On what page he has forwarded me there?
Is already strange come for two months at Videoslots hardly about my deposit. Oddly enough, since I have paid out the last time. Well, as soon as they have their money back is the streak of bad luck determined accidentally over.
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To Aka, maybe you're right, that 99% do not know that is also irrelevant because it does not mean that is not cheated. I remember well, is maybe a two months ago, you did not want to trot out of this forum and devote less to the game and more to the family, what was the reason at that time, too many wins?
To bones, there I have a strange feeling, there I always think of the old saying, whose bread I it, the song I sing, but you are independent. I am of course aware that this is the Internet and you can accordingly safely state things in your resume that no one can ever check. The only point in which I agree with you, is that one should dispense with insults, because even these just like all relevant arguments do not change your opinion, you are like many people in our country absolutely resistant to reality, this bounces off you like water from the tail feathers of a duck. Should I be wrong with my assumption that you are in any form for one or more casinos active, it is inexplicable to me, how you can talk as a player casinos so to the mouth.
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The saying that the bank always wins simply refers to several components:
- the mathematical advantage of the bank.
The money only has to circulate long enough for the mathematical advantage to take effect. The casino can be in the red for a short time or even for a longer period - this is called Variance - but above a statistically relevant range, the value will adjust to the actual mathematical value.
As an example: You toss a coin, now it can happen that heads come twenty times in a row. Even with 1000 tosses there can still be a disproportion of 70:30. But if we now toss the coin 100,000 times, the value will be pretty much exactly 50:50. This is called a meaningful statistic.
- the greed (gambling addiction) of the players.
Here we come to the second and probably decisive point.
Since a player does not normally toss the coin 20 times, then go home and never play again, the bank gets the money back because the player tosses the coin 100,000 times.
But if you win 1 euro for every coin toss you win, but lose 2 euros for every coin you lose, then you have already lost 5 euros after 10 coin tosses.
- the crowd.
If there were a casino that had only one player and he only made 10 coin tosses, then the bank would not always win.
However, a casino normally has a large number of players and therefore a large number of coin tosses, so that so many coin tosses are made that the mathematical value and thus the house advantage takes effect.
Therefore, the saying that the bank always wins is completely correct.
Perhaps one could express it more exactly: The bank always wins in the long run.
Here, however, I am referring exclusively to live games.
Online casinos work the same way, of course, but I'm also skeptical.
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I am definitely in no way active for any casino. I am professionally involved as an artist in music production or sound design and sound engineering in various projects but not even the music or sounds for any slot. I'm just a gamer who is probably less frustrated than the average person here. But that's only because I Deposit less, play less often and pay out my wins if there is one. I don't play somewhere else with my winnings, that's a principle.
I can understand the frustration, I had the same frustration for years in gambling houses. I thought of absurd theories, of surveillance cameras in Slot machines, of neighboring machines winning to encourage me to use more money, etc. I was very frustrated. I spent a lot of time thinking about these things and quickly realized that I wasn't alone. Personally, all this has brought me to the conclusion that the perception of gamblers is particularly distorted. If you look at the psychology of perception, one of the first theses is that nothing, not even what you see directly in front of you, is reality. Everything is distorted, all stimuli that your sensory organs send to your brain must be operated by your psyche and this is subject to strong perceptual disturbances. Subjective opinions play a bigger role than what someone has actually "experienced". For this reason, testimonies in court are the weakest evidence.
Gamers have a particularly selective perception and that makes sense. I can only advise anyone who thinks that everything in online casinos is fraud and systematically planned, that wins are just as deliberately controlled as losses and that with Bonuses you win more often so that the casino does not have to pay out, to stop playing. These are strong signs of addiction and under a logical approach, each of these claims fails mercilessly.
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The casinos even argue that a coin can fall on black a thousand times.
But it can also theoretically fall a thousand times on red.
That means that there should be people who only win for weeks.
The question is, why does it never do that?
I can remember a casino with Merkur games. Don't remember exactly which one.
Sunmaker or Platinumcasino or something like that. I had a fabulous run there.
deposited 50, and was at some point at just under 4000€
And suddenly I was kicked out, and my account was blocked.
When I asked, they said I should verify myself first because of the money laundering law.
Despite the money laundering law I only deposited 50€ and won the rest.
So it was complete bullshit. After the Verification then continued to gamble, and of course
like cut off.
That was the first time I felt like I had been ripped off. My lucky streak
was stopped under a pretext, so that it does not become too much.
Maybe they could also see that it would have gone on like this without forced separation, no one knows
no one knows. Maybe they also know that after a forced separation
most of the time you only lose. It was definitely a safety mechanism.
In favor of the casino.
The OC already have an advantage anyway because of their RTP.
The question is, is this advantage enough for them, or do they want to rake in more money?
I think they want to rake in more money. It's human nature!
Little by little, for example, the bonus rules were tightened.
The AGB`s tightened
The people notice that it does not run any longer in such a way "runs", as in former times.
Many report merciless crashes before the bonus is implemented,
although they have previously only won.
Of course, the human being with his greed also comes to it. Higher stakes, I want to win the thousand
still, then I stop etc......
However, these are things that I can influence as a player.
If something doesn't go right in the casino, I don't have that.
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Yes, typical pseudo argument of a casino.
This is where I see the much bigger problem. The harassment and fraud through terms and conditions and arbitrary actions of many casinos.
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I really hope that at some point everything will come out.
Unfortunately there was no successful lawsuit yet. The casinos have either given in in time
or the players have not even made the threats of a lawsuit come true
made true.
A court would have to get an insight into all records, servers, etc.. Also how the
Structure is, how the odds are, etc. And since courts of course have no idea about this
this would have to be done by experts who really know what they are talking about.
Is there therefore perhaps still no case that someone has sued, because the casinos then
then give in or propose a settlement?
Does one want to prevent at all costs that one must disclose everything?
I just think there are so many inconsistencies. In addition, the lack of transparency, the terms and conditions, the bonus rules, the situation in Malta far away,
that there can actually only be cheated. Since almost everyone would come to the idea to cheat.
And if I'm really sued by someone, I'll just give in quickly. And on goes the money rake.
As said, that are thought games, but quite ohen major problems enforceable.
A Casino, with which everything would be clearly evident, that times everything discloses, could save itself nevertheless before customers hardly.
Why is there not such a casino then?
Ultimately, the casinos always retreat to the RTP and to luck and bad luck.
The RTP is basically what more or less saves the casinos argumentatively.
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for me it was about the insults and the rumgezicke...
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Hello, how can it be that I only lose your casino? Even my girlfriend asks why I still pay in the casino. It's not fun anymore, it should be in the foreground or not?
Please be patient for a moment. One of our representatives will be with you shortly.
You are now chatting with Michael B - English
21:58 Michael B: Hi there. How are you today?
21:58************* :
Well not so great and you?
21:59 Michael B: Sorry to hear that. I'mgood,thanks forasking!
22:00 Michael B: Unfortunately it seems that you have had a bad stroke of luck. Our games operate on random number generators which means that each spin is completely unique and the number We rent all our games from respected, famous and trustworthy game providers, as most casinos. This means that we cannot nor want to impact on how the games pay out - in fact we have nothing to do with that. Our site is continuously reviewed by a third party gaming regulators: spins does not increase any chances of winning.
22:03 j************: What should that tell me?
22:03 j************: That I should not play anymore with you due to my bad luck?
22:03************ : on Videoslots
22:04 j***********: for a while
22:04 Michael B: The number of spins does not increase your chances of winning. If you feel you are losing too much, you could consider applying a limit of some sort from your profile in the ''responsible gaming'' page.
22:05*********** : Its not the limit.
22:05 j***********: but the bad luck strike is now more than 2 Months
22:05 j**********: I rarely got beyond my Deposit
22:06 j********: And in the freeroll battles I do not win anyway.
22:07 Michael B: Yes I understand but what I am trying to say is that gambling can be like this. The games are completely random so it is pure luck.
22:08********* : but 2 months of bad luck? hmm
22:08****** : and i play every day here
22:09******** : so should i try my luck in another casino?
22:09********:or what Tip can you give me
22:10Michael B:Every casino operates on the same platforms.
22:10******:Okay
22:11Michael B:I would advise you to set a limit of some sort if you feel you are losing too much.
22:11******:No, I think I will just play less.
Always this nasty streak of bad luck On what page he has forwarded me there?
Is already strange come for two months at Videoslots hardly about my deposit. Oddly enough, since I have paid out the last time. Well, as soon as they have their money back is the streak of bad luck determined accidentally over.
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