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Online Casinos in general: Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos (Page 5)

Topic created on 17th Feb. 2022 | Page: 5 of 10 | Answers: 94 | Views: 18,079
DieWunderharke5000
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 10:15 pm CET#41
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I'm not a lawyer, but to me it reads like it doesn't matter whether you send or receive money. The bank has to make sure not to be involved in illegal payment transactions. In the contract it reads like this:


(1) It is a misdemeanor to intentionally or negligently



  1. contrary to § 4 (1) sentence 2 or 3 participates in payments in connection with unauthorized gambling







and the § 4 reads:



(1) Public gambling may only be organized or brokered with the permission of the competent authority of the respective country. Organizing and brokering without such permission (unauthorized gambling) as well as involvement in payments related to unauthorized gambling are prohibited. If an organizer or intermediary of public Games of chance offers other services in addition to unlicensed gambling in such a way that it is not possible for those involved in payment transactions to process payment transactions in a completely distinguishable manner and separately from the offers, involvement in payment transactions is also prohibited for the other services.






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hustlehoff
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

18th Feb. 2022, at 05:18 am CET#42
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I'm not the smartest guy and I'm new to gambling, but do I understand that you have a 5 second rule and you pay taxes and it's still illegal? What is the point then? So Comdirect can now close my current account if they want? Even if I play where I pay tax and 5 seconds rule is? How confusing is that? I'm a bit afraid for my current account... after that I will be registered in a main register which banks share and I will never get an account again somewhere?

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Anonym

Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

18th Feb. 2022, at 06:47 am CET#43
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hustlehoff wrote on 18.02.2022 at 05:18: I'm not the smartest and also new to gambling, but do I understand correctly that you have a 5 second rule and pay taxes and it is still illegal? What is the point of that then? So Comdirect can now close my current account if they want? Even if I play where I pay tax and 5 seconds rule is? How confusing is that? I'm a bit afraid for my current account... after that I will be registered in a main register which banks share and I will never again get an account somewhere?

MY opinion is, yes.. So that you get nowhere more an account I can NOT imagine, but at the bank where you are, you are in my opinion already assessed as a player and your credit rating goes to the basement... I also thought, nothing can happen to me, my account is covered etc, everything is fine... For about 10 years I play every now and then... Pustekuchen.. Now that you think it's legal, the banks are looking very closely... I have now lied 1 month with my bank discussed. Until I myself have come to the decision to change the bank and never again let see what of online games in my house bank. I was really accused of everything, overnight.... Suddenly everything I did, ( PayPal, Klarna) was always gaming.... Even if I have bought with the Klarna in Onlineshop s, it was canceled for the reason I would have played. And the bank does not tolerate gambling. Although my account was covered. I had to present all receipts what I wanted to pay with PayPal or Klarna, so they saw that it was not gambling and the bill went through...It went very long well yes. But this war of nerves now was not worth the 10 years. And I'm not talking about 10000 euros that I Verspiele in the month ... It is with me a maximum of 300Euro per month. Since that is MY monthly limit for gambling. I know here are always people who think, it will never catch, (can also be) or my consultant knows it, it does not matter ... (can also be..until the consultant changes times) ..Or there is something wrong... Surely the account was not covered etc.. I always thought so too.. Until it has actually caught me now so. And if someone takes the power over my own hard-earned money. The fun stops with me. So with the sentence, it is now legal because I only stay in "legal" casinos, I would be careful. The banks put you in the "gambler" drawer and you are no longer taken seriously

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Tonkabohne
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

18th Feb. 2022, at 07:10 am CET#44
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hustlehoff wrote on 18.02.2022 at 05:18: I'm not the smartest and also new to gambling, but do I understand correctly that you have a 5 second rule and pay taxes and it is still illegal? What is the point of that then? So Comdirect can now close my current account if they want? Even if I play where I pay tax and 5 seconds rule is? How confusing is that? I'm a bit afraid for my current account... after that I will be registered in a main register which banks share and I will never get an account again somewhere?

Everyone gets an account. Is regulated by law so!

Called account for "everyone" or "jedermanninn" at least a basic account.



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Stromberg
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

18th Feb. 2022, at 08:19 am CET#45
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hustlehoff wrote on 18.02.2022 at 05:18: I'm not the smartest and also new to gambling, but do I understand correctly that you have a 5 second rule and pay taxes and it is still illegal? What is the point of that then? So Comdirect can now close my current account if they want? Even if I play where I pay tax and 5 seconds rule is? How confusing is that? I'm a bit afraid for my current account... after that I will be registered in a main register which banks share and I will never get an account again somewhere?

So what the individual banks do I can not tell you. I for my part use, despite the restrictions and bad rtp, eige tlich only casinos from betting providers who already have a German license. Unlike the casino licenses there are already. So if names appear on the account statement, then at least from licensed providers. I do not make deposits from the account only paysafecard. Withdrawals, however, I do, so of course the bank can safely classify me as a gambler. The problem of possibly decreasing creditworthiness due to gambling turnover probably already exists and will not change through licensing. So evtl use a wallet, even if even that then probably suggests gambling

I honestly see it this way:
I'm a lazy sack what administrative stuff and my finances etc concerns ( at least privately, professionally it's unfortunately not)
I have my current account with/through the savings bank, a retirement plan, even had a loan for the car, my insurance. Although it is probably all cheaper. If they now want to terminate me because of a little gambling, I'm really not a High Roller, rather the opposite, then please... So far, however, it is rather so that they want to talk me into more products... 😂

The casino licenses are not yet issued, the providers who already implement the rules for it, do so to get a license in the future. To what extent these are now more tolerated than other EU casinos, I can not judge...

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B****6

Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

18th Feb. 2022, at 09:17 am CET#46
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(1) It is an administrative offense to intentionally or negligently


  1. contrary to § 4 (1) sentence 2 or 3 participates in payments in connection with unauthorized gambling



and that § 4 reads:

(1) Public Games of chance may only be organized or brokered with the permission of the competent authority of the respective country. Organizing and brokering without such permission (unauthorized gambling) as well as involvement in payments related to unauthorized gambling are prohibited. If an organizer or intermediary of public games of chance offers, in addition to unauthorized gambling, other services in such a manner that it is not possible for the parties involved in the payment transaction to process the payment transaction in a completely distinguishable manner and separately from the offers, involvement in the payment transaction is also prohibited for the other services.

This page Vermittelt yes also between players and games providers?! 🤔🤔

Edit by Caro: Post visually adjusted

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Katharina2
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

18th Feb. 2022, at 12:17 pm CET#47
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tequiero wrote on 02/17/2022 at 2:58 pm

Again, completely wrong. There are no legal casinos in Germany yet. The ones that are aimed at the future German

Rules will be tolerated. But there is a world of difference between legality and toleration.
Please do not always write such crap!

As a result, all OCs are illegal for banks, since there is no whitelist for banks to follow
could orientate themselves. And do you think that the banks inform themselves, which casino adheres to the specifications
and which not? According to the terms and conditions, any bank can kick you if you are associated with gambling,
whether legal or illegal, does not matter anyway! You are for the Risk customer, they do not have to tolerate!

It's really cruel how you misinform people here!

Right. At the moment there are no Malta licensed ones that have a German license
No one has claimed that either. We have a trial period where toleration takes place

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t****o

Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

18th Feb. 2022, at 12:17 pm CET#48
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Tonka Bean wrote on 02/18/2022 at 07:10 AM
Everyone gets an account. Is regulated by law so !

Called account for "everyone" or "jedermanninn" at least a basic account.




Reality: Of course they are entitled to an account, just unfortunately not with us......

Nice and correct report from Bella, thank you!
For all those who think nothing can happen to you,
and Minuskanditaten are nevertheless the best payers....

@Hustlehoff: Can always do a bank either way. Read Bella's report!

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t****o

Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

18th Feb. 2022, at 12:22 pm CET#49
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Catherine2 wrote on 02/18/2022 at 12:17 PM
Right. Right now there are no Malta licensed ones that have a German license
No one has claimed that either. We have a trial period where toleration takes place




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I did not write it that way and of course in DE, already on the banking side, a distinction is made between legal and illegal.

Alone this sentence is simply nonsense. Admit it but times, if you have written garbage.

It does not matter anyway, that gambling is over in my opinion. They will gradually remove the illegal possibilities.
Indicative of this is the ominous Messenger Telegram
If you get a company based in the United Arab Emirates to cooperate, it's
everything is clear, isn't it? Then you see what to expect.

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Katharina2
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

18th Feb. 2022, at 12:35 pm CET#50
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tequiero wrote on 02/18/2022 at 12:22 PM




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I did not write it that way and of course in DE, already on the banking side, a distinction is made between legal and illegal.

Alone this sentence is simply nonsense. Admit it but times, if you have written garbage.

It does not matter anyway, that gambling is over in my opinion. They will gradually remove the illegal possibilities.
Indicative of this is the ominous Messenger Telegram
If you get a company based in the United Arab Emirates to cooperate, it's
everything is clear, isn't it? Then you see what to expect.

Of course, banks argue with illegal casinos when closing accounts.
You can also read about it here. There is no nonsense about it. Only in this way
nothing with a level conversation, if you violate all the rules of good manners
violated and all i-wie insulting. Is not the only thread, which is shot by you
and reminds me of users who go out the front door and appear through the back door
appear.

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