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Online Casinos in general: Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos (Page 2)

Topic created on 17th Feb. 2022 | Page: 2 of 10 | Answers: 94 | Views: 18,078
Anonym

Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 10:09 am CET#11
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Katharina2 wrote on 17.02.2022 at 09:54
Then please also give the source that illegal has to be taxed.

You have to not only read things but also understand them and there it is in the link
clearly what it is about. Meant they German licensed casinos, with you it goes
it is about crimes within our country. These are 2 pairs of shoes. And from a
5.3% tax is there but also nothing to read.

Stands but above in the link. But for you again:

"The Ministry of Finance has no reservations about taxing wins from criminal activities. There is no reason to favor criminals and leave illegal income tax-free, argues the ministry with reference to the tax code. Under the tax code, it is irrelevant for taxation purposes whether the taxpayer obtained the income or revenue by violating a law or morality."

If MGA casinos collect taxes, which was the initial statement, of course pay them to the German state. The casinos are illegal in Germany, but subject to tax. Therefore, the collection of the tax is perfectly ok.

And because you always mention it: There are no legal casinos in DE (except SH) that are licensed in Germany.

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t****o

Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 11:30 am CET#12
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Cona, save yourself the trouble. Katharina is always so convinced of her opinion, unbelievable.
Spreading misinformation with little knowledge is her thing.

Go through her vita here, she has also never understood that casinos are illegal, because there is
in Germany there is the freedom to provide services. The Player protection before freedom of services
she has never understood. Lives in their world.

Doesn't help.

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Justin
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 12:18 pm CET#13
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Cona87 wrote on 02/17/2022 at 09:16 AM
Where did you get your info from? In Germany taxes have to be paid on illegal business as well:

https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/wirksamere-besteuerung-fiskus-bittet-straftaeter-zur-kasse/2595898.html

" The tax offices must investigate illegally generated sales ex officio and determine the taxes to be paid on them. There are no reliable figures on the amount of illegally generated sales and income. But experts estimate that sales of illegal narcotics alone in Germany amount to up to three billion euros annually. Police crime statistics for 2004 include 70,761 cases of illegal traff**king and smuggling of narcotics, almost 22,000 cases of receiving stolen goods, and 2,330 cases of accepting, giving, and receiving bribes.

The Ministry of Finance has no reservations about taxing wins from crimes. There is no reason to favor criminals and leave illegal income tax-exempt, the ministry argues, referring to the tax code. Under the tax code, it is irrelevant for taxation purposes whether the taxpayer obtained the income or sales by violating a law or morality."

It is exactly as you write: IN GERMANY" ... However, NOT at a foreign company.

If I as a German buy a product (digital or real) from a company abroad and this company makes a win with it, this company pays NO taxes in Deutschlkand. Even if the product is illegal in Germany.

If I buy some cookies and a joint in Amsterdam, the coffee shop does not pay taxes in Germany, even if I am a resident of Germany and their products are illegal here. If the store had an illegal branch in Germany, they would be liable to pay tax on their illegal income.You are absolutely right on this point.

However, MGA casinos are not operated in Germany, they are NOT taxable in Germany just because they are illegal. Sorry in this point your statement is absolutely wrong and your quoted article has absolutely nothing to do with the situation of MGA casinos.

MGA casinos are completely operated abroad, are registered abroad, pay taxes there based on the laws there. Just because these foreign companies are accessible from Germany does not mean that you have to pay taxes here, legal or illegal plays absolutely no role

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Stromberg
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 12:33 pm CET#14
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Justin wrote on 02/17/2022 at 12:18 PM
It is exactly as you write: IN GERMANY" ... However NOT with a foreign company.

If I as a German buy a product (digital or real) abroad from a company and they make a win with it, this company pays NO taxes in Deutschlkand. Even if the product is illegal in Germany.

If I buy some cookies in Amsterdam and smoke a joint, the coffee shop does not pay taxes in Germany, even if I am a resident of Germany and their products are illegal here. If the store had an illegal branch in Germany, they would be liable to pay tax on their illegal income.You are absolutely right on this point.

However, MGA casinos are not operated in Germany, they are NOT taxable in Germany just because they are illegal. Sorry in this point your statement is absolutely wrong and your quoted article has absolutely nothing to do with the situation of MGA casinos.

MGA casinos are completely operated abroad, are registered abroad, pay taxes there based on the laws there. Just because these foreign companies are accessible from Germany does not mean that you have to pay taxes here, legal or illegal plays absolutely no role

It is not that simple
Electronic services provided to private customers, including gambling, are taxable in the customer's country of residence.

https://www.stuttgart.ihk24.de/fuer-unternehmen/recht-und-steuern/steuerrecht/umsatzsteuer-verbrauchssteuer/umsatzsteuer-international/dienstleistungen/abrechnung-elektronischer-dienstleistungen-5165062

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Katharina2
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 12:38 pm CET#15
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tequiero wrote on 02/17/2022 at 11:30 am: Cona, save your breath. Catherine is always so convinced of her opinion, unbelievable.
Spreading misinformation with little idea is her thing.

Go through her vita here, she also never understood that casinos is illegal, since there is
in Germany there is the freedom to provide services. The Player protection before freedom of services
she has never understood. Lives in their world.

Doesn't help.

Don't get cheeky and unobjective, if you have to steal words from others; the internet is not a
from others; the Internet is not a lawless space. Then maybe we can find out
who really lives where and in which world. No problem.

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t****o

Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 12:49 pm CET#16
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Katharina2 wrote on 02/17/2022 at 12:38 PM
Don't get cheeky and unobjective, if you already have to steal words from others
must; that Internet is not a lawless space. Then maybe we can find out
who really lives where and in which world. No problem.

We can do that with pleasure. With your freedom of services you have also only nonsense told, how to

can be seen. And you're not exactly well informed about the other things either.

No one has said that the Internet is a legal vacuum. But there are personal rights,
that are higher than others. You should know that!

That is not different with the GG!

Even if you build everything together, as it suits you!

@Justin

But you are not sitting in a coffeeshop in Holland, but in Germany and gambling
Legality is not the deciding factor for tax collection. Even in case of serious
Even in the case of serious crimes, taxes must be paid, even if this is only incidental.

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Justin
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 12:52 pm CET#17
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Stromberg wrote on 02/17/2022 at 12:33 PM
It is not that simple
Electronic services provided to private customers, which includes gambling, are to be remitted in the customer's sirz state.

https://www.stuttgart.ihk24.de/fuer-unternehmen/recht-und-steuern/steuerrecht/umsatzsteuer-verbrauchssteuer/umsatzsteuer-international/dienstleistungen/abrechnung-elektronischer-dienstleistungen-5165062

Very good link!
It but the so-called de minimis threshold, which is 10,000 Euronen per year per service recipient. So if a gambler deposits "only" 9.000 € drt service Provider (the MGA Casino) is not obliged to pay taxes in Germany

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Stromberg
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 01:01 pm CET#18
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Justin wrote on 02/17/2022 at 12:52 PM
Very good link!
It but the so-called de minimis threshold, which is 10,000 Euronen per year per service recipient. So if a gambler deposits "only" 9.000 € drt service Provider (the MGA casino) is not obliged to pay taxes in Germany

Am not an expert, but I understand it so that the 10,000 euros total for the "trade" in the EU foreign countries apply...

Hence the sentence " Note: this de minimis threshold also includes turnover from any distance sales made to non-taxable persons in the rest of the Community."

Otherwise, this would not make sense if each customer was considered individually...


If you research a little further, Christoph had mentioned it in his articles several times, the EU casinos have generally always paid VAT in Germany. I'm not 100 percent sure and it's hard to find anything about it.

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Anonym

Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 01:06 pm CET#19
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Justin wrote on 02/17/2022 at 12:52 PM
Very good link!
It but the so-called de minimis threshold, which is 10,000 Euronen per year per service recipient. So if a gambler deposits "only" 9.000 € drt service Provider (the MGA casino) is not obliged to pay taxes in Germany

I think that the total turnover in Germany counts. Sosnt yes almost no foreign company would demand taxes from one if one pays less than 10k euro year


Katharina2 wrote on 02/17/2022 at 12:38 PM
Don't get cheeky and unobjective, if you already have to steal words from others
must; that Internet is not a lawless space. Then maybe we can find out
who really lives where and in which world. No problem.

You could also just admit to being wrong But sue the dear tequiero. I am curious.


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Justin
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 01:07 pm CET#20
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tequiero wrote on 02/17/2022 at 12:49 PM

We can very gladly. With your freedom of services, you were just talking nonsense about how to

can be seen. And you're not exactly well informed about the other things either.

No one has said that the Internet is a legal vacuum. But there are personal rights,
that are higher than others. You should know that!

That is not different with the GG!

Even if you build everything together, as it suits you!

@Justin

But you are not sitting in a coffeeshop in Holland, but in Germany and gambling
Legality is not the deciding factor for tax collection. Even in case of serious
Even in the case of serious crimes, taxes must be paid, even if this is only incidental.

I have not been in Germany since 2002, even though I still have a residence there.
I also deal with import and export and digital services in the broadest sense
Exactly why I ask for the legal basis, because over the Bagatellsdchwelle of 10k Deposit per casino come the fewest gambler, From therefore there is for no legal basis, that these without further reason 5% are deducted

If the service Provider (the casino) withholds this amount preventively, then this amount would also have to be returned to each player who has deposited less than 10k in the year in this casino

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