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Online Casinos in general: Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

Topic created on 17th Feb. 2022 | Page: 1 of 10 | Answers: 94 | Views: 17,685
Justin
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 01:50 am CET#1
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Since there is no German license at this point and the MGA casinos operate on a completely different legal basis, there is actually no legal basis for the operators to withhold 5%.
If they lower the RTP by 5% that is their business, but they cannot collect taxes for the German state on (in Germany) illegal business.

This also has nothing to do with a possible future license. There is no legal basis for "toleration", as several judges in Germany have stated.

The MGA casinos simply bag an extra 5% because they can, keep the money, laugh up their sleeves and plan the next vacation

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evopower140
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 07:33 am CET#2
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That's right I also see something difficult how can a casino pay taxes if it is prohibited at the moment but is tolerated whether the tax offices take the money or to what kind of tax office the tax is paid because a company would need a seat in Germany or do I see that wrong

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Tonkabohne
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 07:49 am CET#3
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Yes and we are so stupid and pay in

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Anonym

Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 08:33 am CET#4
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As far as I know, taxes are due in Germany even for illegal activities

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Hidaruma
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 08:44 am CET#5
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Best to play in Crypto Casinos. Stake e.g. Even if they are only a shell company, they pay out faster than 5 MGA booths together.

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Katharina2
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 09:03 am CET#6
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Justin wrote on 17.02.2022 at 01:50: Since there is no German license to date and the MGA casinos operate on a completely different legal basis, there is actually no legal basis for the operators to withhold 5%.
If they lower the RTP by 5% that is their business, but taxes for the German state on (in Germany) illegal business they can not collect.

This also has nothing to do with a possible future license. There is no legal basis for "toleration", as several judges in Germany have stated.

The MGA casinos simply bag an extra 5% because they can, keep the money, laugh up their sleeves and plan the next vacation


That's exactly how it is. That practically counts from German license, which no one has yet. For MGA
Casinos anyway, it is illegal, as far as they illegally in DE without a German license
offer and that are not a few casinos

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Anonym

Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 09:16 am CET#7
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Katharina2 wrote on 02/17/2022 at 09:03 AM
That's exactly how it is. That practically counts from German license, which nobody has yet. For MGA
Casinos anyway, it is illegal, as far as they illegally in DE without a German license
offer and that are not a few casinos

Where did you get your info from? In Germany, taxes must also be paid on illegal business:

https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/wirksamere-besteuerung-fiskus-bittet-straftaeter-zur-kasse/2595898.html

" The tax offices must investigate illegally generated sales ex officio and determine the taxes to be paid on them. There are no reliable figures on the amount of illegally generated sales and income. But experts estimate that sales of illegal narcotics alone in Germany amount to up to three billion euros annually. Police crime statistics for 2004 include 70,761 cases of illegal traff**king and smuggling of narcotics, almost 22,000 cases of receiving stolen goods, and 2,330 cases of accepting, giving, and receiving bribes.

The Ministry of Finance has no reservations about taxing wins from crimes. There is no reason to favor criminals and leave illegal income tax-exempt, the ministry argues, referring to the tax code. Under the tax code, it is irrelevant for taxation purposes whether the taxpayer obtained the income or sales by violating a law or morality."

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Katharina2
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 09:29 am CET#8
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Cona87 wrote on 02/17/2022 at 09:16 AM
Where did you get your info from? In Germany taxes have to be paid on illegal business as well:

https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/wirksamere-besteuerung-fiskus-bittet-straftaeter-zur-kasse/2595898.html

" The tax offices must investigate illegally generated sales ex officio and determine the taxes to be paid on them. There are no reliable figures on the amount of illegally generated sales and income. But experts estimate that sales of illegal narcotics alone in Germany amount to up to three billion euros annually. Police crime statistics for 2004 include 70,761 cases of illegal traff**king and smuggling of narcotics, almost 22,000 cases of receiving stolen goods, and 2,330 cases of accepting, giving, and receiving bribes.

The Ministry of Finance has no reservations about taxing wins from crimes. There is no reason to favor criminals and leave illegal income tax-exempt, the ministry argues, referring to the tax code. Under the tax code, it is irrelevant for taxation purposes whether the taxpayer obtained the income or sales by violating a law or morality."

This is a whole other story that is about everything but gambling
Let me give you the link:

https://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/515107/Online-Casinos-Wie-sich-die-53%25-Einsatzsteuer-auf-die-Spielbedingungen-auswirken-wird

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Anonym

Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 09:44 am CET#9
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Katharina2 wrote on 02/17/2022 at 09:29 AM
This is a whole other story that is about everything but gambling
Give you the link sometime:

https://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/515107/Online-Casinos-Wie-sich-die-53%25-Einsatzsteuer-auf-die-Spielbedingungen-auswirken-wird

There's nothing in it though. The report I wrote is basically about illegal activities that need to be taxed.

The basic question was why the tax has to be paid. The answer: Illegal activities must also be taxed in Germany.

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Katharina2
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Legal basis for 5% tax at MGA casinos

17th Feb. 2022, at 09:54 am CET#10
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Cona87 wrote on 17.02.2022 at 09:44
But there is nothing in it. The report of mine is basically about illegal activities that need to be taxed.

The basic question was why the tax has to be paid. The answer: Illegal activities must also be taxed in DE.

Then please also give the source that illegal has to be taxed.

One must not only read the things, but also understand them and there is in the link
clearly what it is about. Meant they German licensed casinos, with you it goes
it is about crimes within our country. These are 2 pairs of shoes. And from a
5.3% tax is there but also nothing to read.

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