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Online Casinos in general: Lawyer letter because of Neteller debt (Page 2)

Topic created on 20th Dec. 2019 | Page: 2 of 3 | Answers: 23 | Views: 6,903
Falko
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Klabisto wrote on 21/11/2022 at 16:29: Hello, I would like to restart this thread and have a question about Neteller.

Have made a Deposit via Neteller, but since I had won nothing and it was a Schit-OC (Curacao) I have the bank transfer, however, booked back or canceled (on the weekend it goes because of booking date).

Now of course Neteller reminds me to pay them the 50 euros. Is that correct?
Because actually they are only payment service providers, so they push my 50 euros back and forth, so I pay the fees. Actually, but the casino must come to me if it has problems with the deposit, or not?

Does anyone know what to do?

Thanks already!

What is the name of the casino? Because here came up but often the question of whether there is still a casino with Curacao license, which offers this payment method. And so far it looked like there is no Curacao casino that still offers Neteller, at least until you wrote this post here.

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gamble1
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Klabisto wrote on 11/21/2022 at 4:29 pm: Hello,

i would like to restart this topic and I have a question about Neteller.

Have made a Deposit via Neteller, but since I had won nothing and it was a Schit-OC (Curacao) I have the bank transfer, however, booked back or canceled (on the weekend it goes because of booking date).

Now of course Neteller reminds me to pay them the 50 euros. Is that correct?
Because actually they are only payment service providers, so they push my 50 euros back and forth, so I pay the fees. Actually, but the casino must come to me if it has problems with the deposit, or not?

Does anyone know what to do?

Thanks already!

Yes the push the back and forth as you say but the casino gives them no 50 € back because you cancel the transfer

You owe the money Neteller and they will send if you do not pay a Debt collection is the same game as with Skrill so I would do it as soon as possible on my Netteller account otherwise you can certainly already plan with a sum of min. 150 € for debt collection which then also come very late must be worth it

Edit: By the way, they usually do not work with social debt collection companies such as Paigo formerly Infoscore the reminder you in the deadline and then go straight to court and yes claim is justified because E-wallet not illegal and therefore valid contract no matter what you have done with the money effectively

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roccoammo11
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at which bank can you reverse a transfer? do not check that?! if the amount appears at netteller then must not still be released anything?! even if I do not make an immediate transfer to wherever then I have no way to reverse this!

back to the topic..why should the casino come to you?they seem to have their money & netteller is now missing the 50€!
just pay your debts before it becomes pointless more and you have only annoyance!

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gamble1
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roccoammo11 wrote on 21.11.2022 at 17:48: at which bank can you reverse a transfer? do not check that?!if the amount appears at netteller then must not still be released anything?!even if I do not make an immediate transfer wherever then I have no way to undo this!

back to the topic..why should the casino come to you?they seem to have their money & netteller is now missing the 50€!
just pay your Debt before it becomes pointless more and you have only annoyance!

Called transfer recall goes at any bank but thanks to the online transfers you have only very short time for it because until the money is out at your bank they can stop it

The whole thing goes by phone and costs depending on the bank between 10 € and 15 € per transfer with 50:50 chance that it works at all the fee is gone anyway

If one is now quite cleverly one can pay 10 things with e.g. Immediately on a Saturday Sunday and Monday completely early in the morning the bank call and everything let cancel there the money up to Monday morning still to 100% with your bank is there on the WE no reservations are worked on goes with all offerers except Giropay there the offerers all a normal on-line transfer to release

Of course it is clear that such behavior is fraud and apart from that, an e-wallet certainly gets the money and if the bailiff seizes it because there is 100% a contract has arisen

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Klabisto
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Falko wrote on 21.11.2022 at 16:36

What is the name of the casino ? Because here came up but more often the question of whether there is still a casino with Curacao license, which offers this payment method. And so far it looked like there is no Curacao casino that still offers Neteller, at least until you wrote this post here.

Yaacasino


Has no regulations (5sec., 1Euro maxbet), so also no license in D.

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Klabisto
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gamble1 wrote on 21.11.2022 at 16:37
Yes they push it back and forth as you say but the casino does not give them back 50 € because you cancel the transfer

You owe the money Neteller and they will send if you do not pay a collection is the same game as with Skrill so I would make it as soon as possible on my Netteller account otherwise you can certainly already plan with a sum of min. 150 € for collection then also come quite late must be worthwhile yes

Edit : By the way, they usually do not work with social Debt collection companies such as Paigo formerly Infoscore the reminder you in the deadline and then go straight to court and yes claim is justified because E-wallet not illegal and therefore valid contract no matter what you have done with the money effectively

Neteller claims that I owe Neteller money, which is not true. If, then I owe the casino the money


If this is an illegal casino, they can not do anything to me. There were enough judgments. As a payment Provider, they are obligated to cooperate against illegal gambling, or no longer?

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roccoammo11
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gamble1 wrote on 21.11.2022 at 18:36
It's called a transfer recall but thanks to online transfers you only have a very short time to do it because by the time the money gets out to your bank they can stop it

The whole thing goes by phone and costs depending on the bank between 10 € and 15 € per transfer with 50:50 chance that it works at all the fee is gone anyway

If one is now quite cleverly one can pay 10 things with e.g. Immediately on a Saturday Sunday and Monday completely early in the morning the bank call and everything let cancel there the money up to Monday morning still to 100% with your bank is there on the WE no reservations are worked on goes with all offerers except Giropay there the offerers all a normal on-line transfer release

Of course it is clear that such a behavior is fraud and apart from that an E-wallet certainly gets the money and if the bailiff seizes it because there is 100% a contract has arisen

i have never heard and the bank does not ask why why why? and if that is so that this money is not yet booked why is it then already displayed at netteller? would this method then theoretically also work if you Deposit directly in the casino?!can me really hard to imagine that works with any bank but I believe you that just times!

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roccoammo11
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Klabisto wrote on 11/21/2022 at 7:24 pm

Neteller does claim that I owe Neteller money, which is so not true. If I do, then I owe the casino the money


If that's an illegal casino, they can't do anything to me. There were enough judgments. As a payment Provider, they are obliged to cooperate against illegal gambling, or no longer?

nevertheless, you have entered into a contract with netteller and have freely decided to Deposit 50 € and the casino!

possibly is also in the abg's of the casino that you may only play there if it is allowed in your country! if you do not read that and just play there then can not blame others!

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gamble1
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roccoammo11 wrote on 11/21/2022 at 7:29 pm

i have never heard and the bank does not ask why why why? and if that is so that this money is not yet booked why it is then already displayed at netteller? would this method then theoretically also work if you Deposit directly in the casino?! can me really hard to imagine that works with any bank but I believe you that just times!

Yes that would work only with the difference Casino would be illegal in DE the money can not sue and the eWallet already


But I can send you if you want a link from DKB Sparkasse or Volksbank as well as Sparda goes with all and a reason you do not have to specify or I have once made two payments to a well-made fakeshop and noticed that before Monday 20 € paid and hoped and by noon the coal was back on it

They did not want to know why I was also a little embarrassed

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gamble1
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Klabisto wrote on 11/21/2022 at 7:24 pm

Neteller does claim that I owe Neteller money, which is so not true. If I do, then I owe the casino the money


If that's an illegal casino, they can't do anything to me. There were enough judgments. As a payment Provider, they are obliged to cooperate against illegal gambling, or no longer?

Yes, because that is also so you load your Neteller account and until the money is at Neteller give you based on your authorization in online banking a credit because you have assured them to pay this money if you cancel it then you are cheating Neteller

If you had deposited directly to the casino via Sofort or Trustly you would owe the casino the money but this way you owe it to Neteller

Imagine I send you 50 € as a transfer and you Deposit for me 50 € in a casino because you trust me that I keep my word then I gamble away the 50 and tell you sorry I changed my mind who do I owe money now the casino or you? Or do you think the casino will pay you back the money? I do not think

Therefore, a well-intentioned advice pay the stupid 50 € I have once because of a 60 € bill paid 500 after a few years and Neteller is completely legal in DE if you do illegal things with it does not change the point that Neteller in and of itself is legal and the claim justified

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