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Online Casinos in general: Jeton wants sensitive data (Page 3)

Topic created on 02nd Jan. 2024 | Page: 3 of 11 | Answers: 153 | Views: 12,527
Falke
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Jeton wants sensitive data

5th Jan. 2024, at 05:49 pm CET#31
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Donnie wrote on 05.01.2024 at 17:20:
You can't check something like that in advance, anyone can get into the situation that suddenly such "make yourself completely naked otherwise there is no money" verifications are required of you. The question is how to get the money paid out by Jeton without disclosing everything. Sue them? Does that help? Edit and falsify documents? Where and how to file a complaint? With whom? With the licensing authority in the Dominican Republic? They'll probably laugh their heads off. It's clear to me that they don't want to give up the money. With Mifinity and Playboom, I think I gave up a total of over €200. Should you expect open verifications from the outset if you bet high and win a lot? Is there any casino or e-wallet where you can be 100% sure to receive your money with a simple and standard Verification, no matter how high the amount is?

Of course, there are casinos that simply don't require this, there are even casinos where you don't even need verification. So yes, you can know this in advance if you do a little research beforehand.


A complaint to a gambling website.

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Donnie
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Jeton wants sensitive data

5th Jan. 2024, at 05:56 pm CET#32
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Falke wrote on January 05, 2024 at 5:49 pm:

Of course, there are casinos that simply don't require that, there are even casinos where you don't even need verification. So yes, you can know this in advance if you do a little research beforehand.


A complaint to a gambling website.

I meant a complaint like Jeton here, so where can you complain about e-wallets?

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T0uchTheSky
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Jeton wants sensitive data

5th Jan. 2024, at 06:23 pm CET#33
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Donnie wrote on 05.01.2024 at 17:56:

I meant more complaint like Jeton here, so where can you complain about e-wallets?

A payment Provider like Jeton, Neteller and co. must comply with the Money Laundering Act like a normal bank and has a duty to check if someone deposits too much money or something suspicious occurs. If not, their license is revoked, see UAB PayrNet, where MuchBetter used their license. And now Uab PayrNet is bankrupt.


I.e. if a payment provider does their duty, where should you file complaints!

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Falke
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Jeton wants sensitive data

5th Jan. 2024, at 06:33 pm CET#34
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T0uchTheSky wrote on 05.01.2024 at 18:23:
A payment Provider like Jeton, Neteller and co has to abide by money laundering laws like a normal bank and has a duty to check if someone deposits too much money or something suspicious occurs. If not, their license is revoked, see UAB PayrNet, where MuchBetter used their license. And now Uab PayrNet is bankrupt.


I.e. if a payment provider does their duty, where should you file complaints!


So as soon as it's "law" something completely reprehensible suddenly becomes normal?

And besides, that's simply not true. It's the same with all the casinos. One casino verifies you in a minute and only needs an ID and the other casino wants to know your grandfather's bowel movements. This is then justified with alleged license conditions, laws blah blah blah, although both casinos are subject to the same laws and have the same license.

Can you show me exactly which law states that they have to ask for this?


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T0uchTheSky
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Jeton wants sensitive data

5th Jan. 2024, at 06:54 pm CET#35
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Falke wrote on 05.01.2024 at 18:33:


So once it's "law" something completely reprehensible suddenly becomes normal?

And besides, that's simply not true. It's the same with all the casinos. One casino verifies you in a minute and only needs an ID and the other casino wants to know your grandfather's bowel movements. This is then justified with alleged license conditions, laws blah blah blah, although both casinos are subject to the same laws and have the same license.

Can you show me exactly which law states that they have to ask for this?



You mean, for example, if someone deposits a lot of money into their bank account and the bank is not obliged to check it? In other words, your bank is not allowed to ask for proof of where the money comes from? In other words, there is no money laundering law? What many casinos do is nonsense anyway, as was recently discussed in another thread.

P.s. If something becomes law, whether we like it or not, that's another matter. Example only casinos with De license is legal here.

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Falke
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Jeton wants sensitive data

5th Jan. 2024, at 07:33 pm CET#36
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T0uchTheSky wrote on 05/01/2024 18:54:
You mean if someone deposits a lot of money into their bank account, for example, and the bank doesn't have a duty to check? I.e. your bank is not allowed to ask for proof of where the money comes from? In other words, there is no money laundering law? What many casinos do is nonsense anyway, as was recently discussed in another thread.

P.s. If something becomes law, whether we like it or not, that's another matter. Example only casinos with De license is legal here.

My house bank is something completely different again. And yes, the bank is not actually allowed to do that either. The bank can pass this on to the tax office or the authorities, but the bank is not a judge, not a prosecutor and also not an official authority. So if the bank thinks that something is wrong, they should report it and that's it.


It can't be right that you have to constantly justify yourself to private people for every little thing you do, and they earn their money from ME.

And there's no question that the laws and regulations are becoming more and more totalitarian. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't, and in fact must, defend yourself against them.

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Stromberg
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Jeton wants sensitive data

5th Jan. 2024, at 11:10 pm CET#37
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Falke wrote on 05.01.2024 at 19:33:

My house bank is once again something completely different. And yes, the bank is actually not allowed to do that either. The bank can pass this on to the tax office or the authorities, but the bank is not a judge, not a prosecutor and not an official authority. So if the bank thinks that something is wrong, they should report it and that's it.


It can't be right that you have to constantly justify yourself to private people for every little thing you do, and they earn their money from ME.

And there's no question that the laws and regulations are becoming more and more totalitarian. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't, and in fact must, defend ourselves against them.

I would prefer the bank to ask me first rather than report anything conspicuous.

Since Jeton probably doesn't want to delay a payout, they will have their reason. It only seems to happen occasionally and more precise proof can also be requested according to a certain algorithm or characteristics.
I wouldn't want to send it either, but then everyone has to know for themselves what it's worth to them...

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Falke
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Jeton wants sensitive data

5th Jan. 2024, at 11:37 pm CET#38
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Stromberg wrote on 05.01.2024 at 23:10:

Well, I'd rather the bank checked with me first than report anything conspicuous.

Since Jeton probably doesn't want to delay a payout, they will have their reason. It only seems to happen occasionally and more precise proof can also be requested according to a certain algorithm or characteristics.
I wouldn't want to send it either, but then everyone has to know for themselves what it's worth to them...

However, asking for it and asking for very sensitive data are two different things.


Yes, what reason do they have? Would I really be interested right now? You see, you don't even know, but you think up a justification along the lines of "they'll know what they're doing". And that's exactly the kind of thinking I criticize. You do something completely pointless and detrimental just because some supposed "authority" says so. You would also flip your neighbor the bird if he came up with something like that, or at least not let yourself be fobbed off with the "there will be a reason" argument.

According to this logic, no casino should delay a payout or demand all kinds of documents.

Sorry, but anyone who sends them this has lost control of their life. Whether it's the law or not doesn't matter. Because if a lot of people didn't go along with it, the law would quickly be changed again. It only happens as much as people put up with. If everyone finally understood that, then we wouldn't have to discuss it now because it would never have happened.

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Stromberg
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Jeton wants sensitive data

6th Jan. 2024, at 09:49 am CET#39
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Falke wrote on 05.01.2024 at 23:37:

Asking for or demanding very sensitive data are two different things.


Yes, what reason do they have? Would I really be interested right now? You see, you don't even know, but you make up a justification along the lines of "they'll know what they're doing". And that's exactly the kind of thinking I criticize. You do something completely pointless and detrimental just because some supposed "authority" says so. You would also flip your neighbor the bird if he came up with something like that, or at least not let yourself be fobbed off with the "there will be a reason" argument.

According to this logic, no casino should delay a payout or demand all kinds of documents.

Sorry, but anyone who sends them this has lost control of their life. Whether it's the law or not doesn't matter. Because if a lot of people didn't go along with it, the law would quickly be changed again. It only happens as much as people put up with. If everyone finally understood that, then we wouldn't have to discuss it now because it would never have happened.


" Yes, what reason do they have? Would I really be interested right now? You see, you don't even know, but you make up a justification along the lines of "they'll know what they're doing"

Why are you anticipating that I don't know? Because you're so clever? Of course I don't know any internal processes, but it has already been said a thousand times that the Anti-Money Laundering Act is fundamental to this. Whether that makes sense or not remains to be seen. You don't have to think it's good, but you only need to google it.
But of course you're right, I can't tell you exactly how each company implements it. How could I? 🤷But I assume they have a reason, because no company does anything for fun. (Of course, there is always the suspicion of data collection)
But you are of course welcome to criticize this "thinking", like anything that doesn't fit into your particular world view. That's not a problem.
Personally, I think everyone should know whether they want to disclose this data or not. And if not, then just don't use the service...












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B****3

Jeton wants sensitive data

6th Jan. 2024, at 10:29 am CET#40
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Falke wrote on 05.01.2024 at 23:37:

Asking for or demanding very sensitive data are two different things.


Yes, what reason do they have? Would I really be interested right now? You see, you don't even know, but you make up a justification along the lines of "they'll know what they're doing". And that's exactly the kind of thinking I criticize. You do something completely pointless and detrimental just because some supposed "authority" says so. You would also flip your neighbor the bird if he came up with something like that, or at least not let yourself be fobbed off with the "there will be a reason" argument.

According to this logic, no casino should delay a payout or demand all kinds of documents.

Sorry, but anyone who sends them this has lost control of their life. Whether it's the law or not doesn't matter. Because if a lot of people didn't go along with it, the law would quickly be changed again. It only happens as much as people put up with. If everyone finally understood that, then we wouldn't have to discuss it now because it would never have happened.

I don't want to do any bashing here, but anyone who spends a lot of time collecting points for money has lost control of their time!


I really wonder what is worse ?!

Of course, it's up to you what you do, but I don't believe in generalizations!

The most sensitive data, such as your personal data, is transmitted anyway, everything else is up to you!

I think you often play the moralizer here, but you yourself are quite strange in what you do and don't do!

You're right about a lot of things, but you're living in a fantasy world!

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Falke
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Jeton wants sensitive data

6th Jan. 2024, at 02:34 pm CET#41
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Blubbo33 wrote on January 06, 2024 at 10:29 am:

Don't want to do any bashing here, but anyone who spends a lot of time collecting points for money has lost control of their time!


I really wonder what is worse ?!

Of course, it's up to you what you do, but I don't believe in generalizations!

The most sensitive data such as your personal details are transmitted anyway, everything else is up to you!

I think you often play the moralizer here, but you yourself are quite strange in what you do and don't do!

You're right about a lot of things, but you live in a fantasy world!

So your first sentence is probably a joke, isn't it? We're in a gambling forum here, where it's all about Bonuses, free spins and no deposits. What's wrong with the best bonus ever, where you get more than your depositor back in real money? The fact that it doesn't work well is another matter, but to accuse me of that is very ridiculous.


You don't have to like what I write, but I won't let that stop me from expressing my opinion . I also don't care what you send to whom. You're welcome to send your childhood photos and your birth weight to Jeton, as long as it's not made into a law, I don't care.

But the problem is that it is being made into a law because unfortunately there are far too many people who have no personal boundaries at all and will put up with any nonsense.

Stromberg wrote on 06.01.2024 at 09:49:


Why are you anticipating that I don't know?

Sorry, I really didn't mean to attack you personally, unfortunately it came across that way. I didn't mean to.

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B****3

Jeton wants sensitive data

6th Jan. 2024, at 04:41 pm CET#42
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Falke wrote on 06.01.2024 at 14:34:

Sorry, I really didn't mean to attack you personally, unfortunately it came across a bit like that. That's not what I meant.


You finance your gambling by investing a lot of time in a system that is vague from the outset and only works from time to time?


And you invest money in it!
In many posts you are always criticizing all casinos how shabby they are or what they demand from players!

Of course you are partly right that they act differently, but I can't get upset about others and I myself am looking for mysterious ways to finance my gambling!

If I criticize everything then it would only be consistent not to gamble at all instead of cherry-picking until you don't like the next casino or you fall flat on your face or hope to get your gambled money back from lawyers!
The casinos have the upper hand, those who do not accept this should stop or endure some "reprisals"!

Surely you have been gambling for a long time! Many a casino has received sensitive data from you or have you never had to show your identity card? Isn't that more important and more sensitive than a selfie with a handstand and your tongue out?

I'm not admonishing you, you should do what you want, but don't judge others because they supposedly lost control of their lives because they sent their payslip as an example!

Maybe start by cleaning up your own mess!

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MisterL
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Jeton wants sensitive data

6th Jan. 2024, at 06:01 pm CET#43
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cleaning up on 08 january

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Stromberg
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Jeton wants sensitive data

6th Jan. 2024, at 07:41 pm CET#44
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Falke wrote on 06.01.2024 at 14:34:

Sorry, I really didn't mean to attack you personally, unfortunately it came across a bit like that. I didn't mean to.



All good😁

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Anonym

Jeton wants sensitive data

6th Jan. 2024, at 10:08 pm CET#45
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Jeton states: The Jeton card account and card are issued by Contis Financial Services Ltd. authorized by the Financial Conduct Authority under the Electronic Money Regulations of 2011 (registered number 900025) and by UAB "Finansinės paslaugos "Contis" authorized by the Bank of Lithuania under the Electronic Money Institutions License No. 53.

Isn't this the same bank that was responsible for MuchBetter ?

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