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Online Casinos in general: It's getting ridiculous (Page 8)

Topic created on 08th Jul. 2019 | Page: 8 of 18 | Answers: 170 | Views: 45,414
Crazy4U
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It's getting ridiculous

10th Jul. 2019, at 11:16 pm CEST#71
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Kleinkariert wrote on 07/10/2019 4:47 PM
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But look at Moon Princess now, I don't know any person who ever got 5000x there and also Pink Elephant and many other games are advertised with extreme potentials that no human ever gets. Netent is so far the only Provider where I am almost sure that the Max. Win is very rare but possible. Unfortunately, I can't say that about many other providers.


I can confirm that. I would also never have thought it and considered very unlikely but at Netent I actually already had e.g. 5 shark at Wild Water, the stake was also not bad, so no 40 cents


You feel a little safer when such a slot also times brings such a picture

Because of the stakes I have made different experiences. On 0.40 eat some slots and spook times a little out, the same slot in the same session has then only given FS at increase (I test then times)

So I thought from time to time, the smaller bets feed only so that the larger can really skim.

Basically, everything stands and falls with the necessary discipline. I can win more often with small stakes, larger are sometimes just gone faster.

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wettibernd
Expert

It's getting ridiculous

10th Jul. 2019, at 11:26 pm CEST#72
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it is nevertheless quite simple, I pay 50 € and play with 20 cents, then I make a super win with 60€ ----- I will let me pay out this???? if I make the times 10 and I am not greedy ---- then 600 euros out.

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illmnzi
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It's getting ridiculous

11th Jul. 2019, at 01:25 am CEST#73
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It is almost unbelievable how much half-knowledge and disoriented assumptions are made regarding the RTP, even though you are on the Internet...

An RTP also does not "level off" or so...

Here are a few facts on the subject that you can find in the Return to Player - Directive from 2016.


46A. (1) A licensee offering games using repetitively generated random selection for determining winning combinations to players shall ensure that, in accordance with the way in whi ch the game is designed, the licensee shall pay out on average a p rize amounting to ninety two per centum (92%) or more of the money or money's worth wagered, or any such higher percentage as may be stipulated through a condition of the license.


Source: https://www.mga.org.mt/wp-content/uploads/Remote-Gaming-Regulations-438.04_English-version.pdf

The licensee of games that use a (simply put) Random Number Generator must ensure that the player's win AVERAGE is 92% of the individual wagered. Since the MGA talks about an average value, related to the single bet, we also need the Y-axis... respectively a period to which this average refers (logically then only the average of all staked values of the bets is to be taken)


The Authority may, in determining whether a licensee is compliant with the average percentage returned to the players as prizes as set out in regulation 46A of the Regulations: a. in the case where a licensee offers a number of applicable games which can be classified into categories by virtue of their similari ty or use of the same random number or symbol generator , take an average across xml-ph-10

Source: https://www.mga.org.mt/wp-content/uploads/Return-to-Player-Directive.pdf


The calculation of the RTP refers to a period of one year! And not on a single game... but the average payout of ALL offered games with the same category of the random generator (to what extent the slots are categorized can not be traced). And what is still very very important. This RTP... refers to a licensee and not to the website!

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My personal opinion:
If the slot Provider is allowed to take 8% of his bets from the customer, then it is only a logical consequence that after big wins - let's assume 1000 percent, within a year - the slot provider is still interested in his 8% and a slot provider, via the software will also enforce this. That is why you will always have big wins and then experience absurdly long losses...

What makes slot games for me in the sense very unattractive, is that it is due to this regulation yes shit, which game you play... the RTP refers to all games with the "same" random generator.... what that means is also not clear... maybe Daniel can say something about it, ... possibly it refers to the paylines and features?





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Anonym

It's getting ridiculous

11th Jul. 2019, at 02:01 am CEST#74
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illmnzi wrote on 07/11/2019 at 01:25: It's sheer unbelievable how much half-knowledge and disoriented assumptions are made regarding the RTP, even though you are on the internet...

A RTP also does not "level off" or so...

Here are a few facts on the subject that you can find in the Return to Player - Directive from 2016.



Source: https://www.mga.org.mt/wp-content/uploads/Return-to-Player-Directive.pdf


The calculation of the RTP refers to a period of one year! And not on a single game... but the average payout of ALL offered games with the same category of the random generator (to what extent the slots are categorized can not be traced). And what is still very very important. This RTP... refers to a licensee and not to the website!

________________________________________________________________________

My personal opinion:
If the slot Provider is allowed to take 8% of his bets from the customer, then it is only a logical consequence that after big wins - let's assume 1000 percent, within a year - the slot provider is still interested in his 8% and a slot provider, via the software will also enforce this. That is why you will always have big wins and then experience absurdly long losses...

What makes slot games for me in the sense very unattractive, is that it is due to this regulation yes shit, which game you play... the RTP refers to all games with the "same" random generator.... what that means is also not clear... maybe Daniel can say something about it, ... possibly it refers to the paylines and features?









In the "my personal opinion" section at the beginning, by "slot provider" do you mean the manufacturer of the slot or the casino?

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illmnzi
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It's getting ridiculous

11th Jul. 2019, at 02:14 am CEST#75
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It is the "Licensee", which in this case is the casino, since the game providers (the manufacturer), depending on the legal system can also offer other RTP (Cyprus, UK, Curacao... etc.)

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Kleinkariert
Expert

It's getting ridiculous

11th Jul. 2019, at 03:53 am CEST#76
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illmnzi wrote on 07/11/2019 at 01:25: It's sheer unbelievable how much half-knowledge and disoriented assumptions are made regarding the RTP, even though you are on the internet...

A RTP also does not "level off" or so...

Here are a few facts on the subject that you can find in the Return to Player - Directive from 2016.



Source: https://www.mga.org.mt/wp-content/uploads/Return-to-Player-Directive.pdf


The calculation of the RTP refers to a period of one year! And not on a single game... but the average payout of ALL offered games with the same category of the random generator (to what extent the slots are categorized can not be traced). And what is still very very important. This RTP... refers to a licensee and not to the website!

________________________________________________________________________

My personal opinion:
If the slot Provider is allowed to take 8% of his bets from the customer, then it is only a logical consequence that after big wins - let's assume 1000 percent, within a year - the slot provider is still interested in his 8% and a slot provider, via the software will also enforce this. That is why you will always have big wins and then experience absurdly long losses...

What makes slot games for me in the sense very unattractive, is that it is due to this regulation yes shit, which game you play... the RTP refers to all games with the "same" random generator.... what that means is also not clear... maybe Daniel can say something about it, ... possibly it refers to the paylines and features?

The 92% is the return that the casino should pay back to players on average, this has the background that the minimum RTP for offered slots at the MGA with 85% is specified. Now if a casino only offers low percentage slots it is possible to fall below the 92% and thus fall against this regulation.

However, most casinos offer slots in the 92-98% range to avoid violating this. This has nothing to do with the RTP of a game, the indication is checked and if this is reached after an undefined number of games then the RTP is confirmed (is calculated mathematically beforehand and must then be practically checked).

Who plays Blackjack with the right strategy or Roulette is of course in the long run compared to a slot player usually in the plus (exceptions are jackpots or the very rare extreme wins).

See: https://www.mga.org.mt/wp-content/uploads/MGA-Annual-Report-2018.pdf (point 7, Payout Ratio).

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upola
Legend

It's getting ridiculous

11th Jul. 2019, at 09:42 am CEST#77
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I can't understand this endless discussion.

What do I care about the RTP, whether it is 93.98 or 225.
I pay in and choose a slot.
If I'm lucky I'm up with a big win and if not it may be Karl Napp.

Or do you think if the RTP is high, that you also win.you can not force that.
It is and remains a game of chance, even if some do not want to have true.

Now you can continue to write about the RTP novel.

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Anonym

It's getting ridiculous

11th Jul. 2019, at 11:19 am CEST#78
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upola wrote on 07/11/2019 09:42: I can't understand this endless discussion.

What do I care about the RTP?whether it is 93,98 or225.
I pay in and choose a slot.
If I have luck I am with a big win and if not it is perhaps Karl Napp.

Or do you think if the RTP is high, that you also win.you can not force that.
It is and remains a game of chance, even if some do not want to have true.

Now you can continue to write about the RTP novel.


Yes, that's true.


Nevertheless, it is refreshing to learn what exactly defines this RTP.
In my opinion, Illmnzi has done a good job, because: Now even I finally understood that.



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b****6

It's getting ridiculous

11th Jul. 2019, at 12:09 pm CEST#79
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OK, let's not call it RTP, but the guaranteed payback to selected players.
We're not flipping a coin here about where this will settle sooner or later, we're
are talking about a programmed system that has guaranteed backups built in,
not to pay out the highest winning picture 3 times in a row, for example. This is definitely not
For sure not. Can also not imagine that a slot manufacturer / casino wants this.
Otherwise, a single slot could quickly drive to ruin, if that gets around.
The other way around as well, of course.

Also the want their guarantee that the slot does not throw out too much, otherwise they would not take this
in your assortment. So no matter how, somehow they have to be programmed
programmed accordingly, or at least have fuses built in.

And therefore there must be something similar to a RTP, simply as a safeguard!
This is also one hundred percent controlled by the slot operators. Not for nothing
Slots get "updates" from time to time.

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Anonym

It's getting ridiculous

11th Jul. 2019, at 03:33 pm CEST#80
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So let's keep in mind: The own RTP is basically in the basement, but in total it is at 92 - 96 % for all players

We'll just have to live with that then, and I'm also sure that we'll die with it.

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