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Online Casinos in general: It's getting ridiculous (Page 7)

Topic created on 08th Jul. 2019 | Page: 7 of 18 | Answers: 170 | Views: 45,839
B****3

It's getting ridiculous

10th Jul. 2019, at 09:44 pm CEST#61
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Ok we leave it at that.
Do you believe in the information of the casino

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Anonym

It's getting ridiculous

10th Jul. 2019, at 09:48 pm CEST#62
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Blubbo33 wrote on 10/07/2019 at 21:44: Ok let's leave it at that.
Do you man believe nicely in the statements of the casino

This is also simply not correct, the casino can not specify anything, the Provider specifies. Also on the RTP indication the casino has no influence, at least no direct

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Anonym

It's getting ridiculous

10th Jul. 2019, at 09:50 pm CEST#63
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Bone wrote on 07/10/2019 9:25 PM: Can't we all uniformly agree to leave the RTP out of such discussions?

The RTP is not a damn thing to believe in. The RTP is simply a number. The percentage of the bet that is paid out to the player. Every individual, and I would highly recommend this to the critics, can check his RTP by writing down every spin. Not believing in the RTP only exposes you for not understanding what the RTP is. The RTP is correct, but that says nothing about whether or not cheating is taking place. If the given RTP would always be respected, everyone would permanently and always only lose. Every spin that wins is already above the RTP. I don't understand how you can always get hung up on this so simple topic.

This is analogously about the same as when you say


"The sun will definitely shine tomorrow. But it doesn't have to be, because the weather ey unpredictable."

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b****6

It's getting ridiculous

10th Jul. 2019, at 10:12 pm CEST#64
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Bone wrote on 07/10/2019 9:25 PM: Can't we all uniformly agree to leave the RTP out of such discussions?

The RTP is not a damn thing to believe in. The RTP is simply a number. The percentage of the bet that is paid out to the player. Every individual, and I would highly recommend this to the critics, can check his RTP by writing down every spin. Not believing in the RTP only exposes you for not understanding what the RTP is. The RTP is correct, but that says nothing about whether or not cheating is taking place. If the given RTP would always be respected, everyone would permanently and always only lose. Every spin that wins is already above the RTP. I don't understand how you can always get hung up on this so simple topic.

But this is exactly where the problem lies. Exactly, it is a statistical value. But the casinos give this value, and in principle advertise
in principle with it.

So I would like to know as an end user, for example, when is such a value reached? How many million spins must be
be made in total, that the slot comes to its average 97%?

Since this value is not specified except for a few casinos, speculation and mistrust are a logical consequence
Consequence. At SlotsMillion you can see its RTP, but it has little significance, because only my spins are displayed, and the
probably not enough to get a meaningful RTP.

The casino writes in the slots that slot A has an RTP of 97%. Who is to know if this is true? If you ask exactly,
of course all spins of all players over a certain period of time are meant. So this is one thing that I as an individual can never
can prove. And the casinos simply do not specify after what time 97% MUST be reached. This is for me as a gambler
of considerable importance, because it would definitely influence my gambling behavior! Even if you put here some as stupid, which do not understand this
understand this, I understand that the slot should come to about 97% at some fixed point after several spins. And not to 70%
and not 120% either. And I want to be sure here that the slot really does reach that RTP at some point, otherwise you get nothing but
than being screwed

How am I supposed to know if a slot is only spitting out 80% on average? I only know my wins/losses, but not the ones of
the other players! RTP is nothing more than a free pass for casinos. What's going on with Malta and the Verification institutions
i do not get here with. And nothing is published. Or has anyone here ever seen a list, on which all the wins
and losses of a slot from all players over let's say 3 years? Then you could calculate a reliable RTP.
The slot manufacturers/programmers would easily be able to do this, but it is simply not done. Why? Why not calm down
the players and end this discussion once and for all?

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Dbac79
Elite

It's getting ridiculous

10th Jul. 2019, at 10:13 pm CEST#65
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Unbeliver wrote on 07/10/2019 9:22 PM
Who says what? I did ask who says what....
A different RTP always requires a different programming of the game and if a different programming is used, the result can not have been determined before. You can read the increased RTP in the respective descriptions.

at microgaming the wins are fixed before the feature is played and BTG is basically microgaming

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B****3

It's getting ridiculous

10th Jul. 2019, at 10:17 pm CEST#66
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blue46 wrote on 07/10/2019 10:12 PM
But this is exactly where the problem lies. Exactly, it is a statistical value. But the casinos give this value.

So I would like to know as an end user but, for example, when is such a value reached? How many million spins must be
be made in total for the slot to reach its average 97%?

Since this value is not specified except for a few casinos, speculation and mistrust are a logical consequence
Consequence. At SlotsMillion you can see its RTP, but it has little significance, because only my spins are displayed, and the
probably not enough to get a meaningful RTP.

The casino writes in the slots that slot A has an RTP of 97%. Who is to know if this is true? If you ask exactly,
of course all spins of all players over a certain period of time are meant. So this is one thing that I as an individual can never
can prove. And the casinos simply do not specify after what time 97% MUST be reached. This is for me as a gambler
of considerable importance, because it would definitely influence my gambling behavior!

How should I know if a slot spits out only 80% on average? I only know my wins/losses, but not those of the other players!
the other players! RTP is nothing more than a free pass for casinos. What's going on with Malta and the Verification institutions
i do not get here with. And nothing is published. Or has anyone here ever seen a list, on which all the wins
and losses of a slot from all players over let's say 3 years? Then you could calculate a reliable RTP.
The slot manufacturers/programmers would easily be able to do this, but it is simply not done. Why? Why not calm down
the players and end this discussion once and for all?

Could have been my words, am just too lazy to write
That's what I mean, rtp is a word that doesn't exist. They can also write 99% rtp and you lose just as much as 90%.

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Anonym

It's getting ridiculous

10th Jul. 2019, at 10:21 pm CEST#67
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Dbac79 wrote on 07/10/2019 10:13 PM

at microgaming the wins are fixed before playing the feature and BTG is basically microgaming

BTG has programmed in the early days for Micro better said for their subsidiary Quickfire games but where BTG is on it is also only BTG in it

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Dbac79
Elite

It's getting ridiculous

10th Jul. 2019, at 10:23 pm CEST#68
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Unbeliver wrote on 10.07.2019 at 22:21
BTG has programmed in the early days for Micro better said for their subsidiary Quickfire games but where BTG on it is also only BTG in it

but who says that both companies are not related, as well as gamomat and Merkur, which is also one and the same

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Anonym

It's getting ridiculous

10th Jul. 2019, at 10:33 pm CEST#69
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Dbac79 wrote on 07/10/2019 8:28 PM

it does not matter whether you take the 8 games or zockst to 50 games, your win is already long fixed, you win 20 euros then you win the 8 and also with 50 you win 500 euros you win just as with 8 or 50, with 8 you get just re-triggering and immediately at the first spins nen 10 times multiplier

This could be an explanation for the whole game. But not for the individual player who plays on 0.20 cents or 20 EUR per spin this game within his possibilities

My opinion is simply that such a function in a game very calls to use this and I think it must then also come back something. FC and Bonanza are always to be enjoyed with caution and we don't need to talk about White Rabit, this devilish creature. Alone this buy function: Take your money and burn it in the oven, but never buy a bonus from this cursed rabbit! You get max half back in the end - if he is in a good mood

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Anonym

It's getting ridiculous

10th Jul. 2019, at 10:35 pm CEST#70
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Dbac79 wrote on 07/10/2019 10:23 PM

but who says that both companies are not related, as well as gamomat and merkur, which is also one and the same

You can also continue this into infinity....
BTG also has contracts with Micro regarding the marketing, but the games under their own name are own productions
Of course, all this is official, I do not work for them, of course, it can always be anything and you can pretty much put it together.

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