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Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?
21st Aug. 2020, at 11:36 am CEST#374
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upola wrote on 21.08.2020 at 10:02 am: You do not want to take the forum as a benchmark?
Because 20 or 30 people write that they don't win anything anymore.
Then let's turn the tables.
The other 200 or so forum members don't write there, so it must be better for them.
This is just to say that it wouldn't have a big impact if there was suddenly "official proof" that online casino XYZ manipulated the operations. Especially since the whole online scene is rather semi-legal in the underground anyway
Suppose tomorrow would come in the daily news: The Maltese OC XYZ, which is illegal in Germany, was found to have manipulated the processes of the games it offers
Do you think such a thing would really itch anyone? The masses would rather say, it's your own fault who is so stupid and transfers his money there than that someone would be outraged about it.
However, these are and remain only theories.
I also do not deny anyone if he thinks he is cheated in OC.
But you should not represent it as a fact, like Arab201.
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Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?
21st Aug. 2020, at 01:56 pm CEST#376
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upola wrote on 08/21/2020 at 13:10: Probably few would notice.
However, these are and remain only theses.
I also do not deny anyone if he thinks he is cheated in OC.
One should not represent it however as fact, like Arab201
Well, it seems that some gamblers do realize that something is not quite "kosher"...at least they are of this opinion.
Of course, these are only theories - and will remain so
Because: A standard gambler would already come to his limits if he would want to prove Manipulation on a local offline box. How could he do that with Maltese online companies that are not completely legal here anyway...?
But that's exactly why you can NOT prove that online is NOT manipulated.
Tribeholz wrote on 21.08.2020 at 13:56
Well, it seems that some gamblers do realize that something is not quite "kosher"...at least they are of this opinion.
Of course, these are only theses - and will remain so
Because: A standard gambler would already come to his limits if he would want to prove Manipulation on a local offline box. How could he do that with Maltese online companies that are not completely legal here anyway...?
But that's exactly why you can NOT prove that online is NOT manipulated.
If you can neither prove the one, nor the other then it is also called ignorance. And that's why a lot is argued here with feelings and sensations. It is the same with the belief in God, some say proves and that there is him and the others say thereupon proves us first that there is not.
Look at the lottery tickets alone, in a series of 1 million are 250,000 wins. That is 75% losers, of the 25% winners, the largest part of his bet or double of a ticket back. Now look online at the slots that sometimes promise 5000x, sometimes up to 100,000x wins. How many do you think have to lose? That the games sometimes play as switched I believe you, the exact distribution method knows no one. Whether it is actually calculated by reels stopping randomly, a loss system where you draw the spins/wins or whether the slot regularly adjusts to get to its RTP and then has low and high phases. Compensatory wins to maintain the RTP are forbidden, but are certainly done, i.e. if someone throws in thousands without ever getting anything, then the slot will give out a higher sum once to compensate for part of the loss. Such assumptions exist, but are not verifiable without a reliable control authority.
Neither the MGA, nor UKGC, nor the upcoming DE license will change this. No one is interested in how the slots operate, the regulators are more interested in monitoring the flow of money so as not to miss a dime... I meant to stop money laundering lol.
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Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?
22nd Aug. 2020, at 05:53 pm CEST#378
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Kleinkariert wrote on 22.08.2020 at 13:53
If you can prove neither one, nor the other then it is also called ignorance. And that is why there is a lot of arguing with feelings and sensations here. It is the same with the faith in God, some say proves and that there is him and the others say thereupon proves us first that there is not him.
Look at the lottery tickets alone, in a series of 1 million are 250,000 wins. That is 75% losers, of the 25% winners, the largest part of his bet or double of a ticket back. Now look online at the slots that sometimes promise 5000x, sometimes up to 100,000x wins. How many do you think have to lose? That the games sometimes play like toggles I believe you, the exact distribution method no one knows. Whether it is actually calculated by reels stopping randomly, a loss system where you draw the spins/wins or whether the slot regularly adjusts to get to its RTP and then has low and high phases. Compensatory wins to maintain the RTP are forbidden, but are certainly done, i.e. if someone throws in thousands without ever getting anything, then the slot will give out a higher sum once to compensate for part of the loss. Such assumptions exist, but are not verifiable without a reliable control authority.
Neither the MGA, nor UKGC, nor the upcoming DE license will change that. No one cares about how the slots operate, the regulators are more interested in monitoring the flow of money so as not to miss a dime... I meant to stop money laundering lol.
If a WTC 7 collapses just by an '' office fire '', the stupid citizen has to believe that too - according to your thesis ! How naive must one be ??!!!!
The problem is always offline e.g. has already been manipulated in the past once the players were cheated there is almost nothing happened once the tax office was cheated there came directly a procedure with seizures of expensive AMG's including auction at customs
Were all casinos affected ? No they were not are therefore all cheats? No they are not
Machines I see every day can fulfill the most unlikely scenarios sometimes comes really 0,0 rum and sometimes throw small Spielo boxes 9k sometimes are at the end of the month 200k + wandered through the thing sometimes only 50k
Even our things that are 100% not manipulated that I have personally played are sometimes the biggest pigs and sometimes the most beautiful boxes in the world that sometimes pull me off when I'm gambling on it
And they make more than enough turnover but just offline is the problem that people have completely wrong ideas play with 5cent 2€ long and complain that they have not won 1000 € or have not received FS that does not run so no one has a guarantee to win something at gambling
Theoretically you could gamble your whole life and not get a set of premium symbols and some get it 4 times a week
You can interpret everywhere something that is not and certainly has been online already cheated whether the tax or the players but since at every casino in the long run the same thing happens that you just get nothing for weeks it will probably just be so that everything runs correctly because the moments that you do not win speak rather for the fact that everything runs correctly as if you really get the most unlikely images for weeks
And if no one would play there would be no winners and no losers just imagine machines distribute money new they do not make more they do not generate money and for this service the operator who makes it all possible gets something off
Even if a machine makes a loss, it still does not generate money because it will be redistributed in the next few months
I write this because I have the feeling that many are not even aware of where the money comes from the machine does not get government funds to be distributed monthly to the most persistent player or the one who hits the keys the hardest
gamble1 wrote on 22.08.2020 at 21:37 clock: The problem is always offline zb was already manipulated in the past once the players were cheated there is almost nothing happened once the tax office was cheated there came directly a procedure with seizures of expensive AMG's including auction at customs
Were all casinos affected ? No they were not are therefore all cheats? No they are not
Machines I see every day can fulfill the most unlikely scenarios sometimes comes really 0,0 rum and sometimes throw small Spielo boxes 9k sometimes are at the end of the month 200k + wandered through the thing sometimes only 50k
Even our things that are 100% not manipulated that I have personally played are sometimes the biggest pigs and sometimes the most beautiful boxes in the world that sometimes pull me off when I'm gambling on it
And they make more than enough turnover but just offline is the problem that people have completely wrong ideas play with 5cent 2€ long and complain that they have not won 1000 € or have not received FS that does not run so no one has a guarantee to win something at gambling
Theoretically you could gamble your whole life and not get a set of premium symbols and some get it 4 times a week
You can interpret everywhere something that is not and certainly has been online already cheated whether the tax or the players but since at every casino in the long run the same thing happens that you just get nothing for weeks it will probably just be so that everything runs correctly because the moments that you do not win speak rather for the fact that everything runs correctly as if you really get the most unlikely images for weeks
And if no one would play there would be no winners and no losers just imagine machines distribute money new they do not make more they do not generate money and for this service the operator who makes it all possible gets something off
Even if a machine makes a loss, it still does not generate money because it will be redistributed in the next few months
I write this because I have the feeling that many are not even aware of where the money comes from the machine does not get state funds to be distributed monthly to the most persistent player or the one who hits the keys the hardest
Ahh. So true.. Especially the argument with the five cent players
And if no one would play there would be no winners and no losers just imagine machines distribute money new that's all they do they don't generate money and for this service the operator who makes it all possible gets something off
Even if a vending machine makes a loss, it still does not generate money because it will be redistributed in the next few months
I write this because I have the feeling that many are not even aware of where the money comes from the machine does not get government funds to be distributed monthly to the most persistent player or the one who hits the keys the hardest
These are the best sentences I have ever read on this subject, thank you for that.
Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?
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This is just to say that it wouldn't have a big impact if there was suddenly "official proof" that online casino XYZ manipulated the operations. Especially since the whole online scene is rather semi-legal in the underground anyway
Suppose tomorrow would come in the daily news: The Maltese OC XYZ, which is illegal in Germany, was found to have manipulated the processes of the games it offers
Do you think such a thing would really itch anyone? The masses would rather say, it's your own fault who is so stupid and transfers his money there than that someone would be outraged about it.
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However, these are and remain only theories.
I also do not deny anyone if he thinks he is cheated in OC.
But you should not represent it as a fact, like Arab201.
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Well, it seems that some gamblers do realize that something is not quite "kosher"...at least they are of this opinion.
Of course, these are only theories - and will remain so
Because: A standard gambler would already come to his limits if he would want to prove Manipulation on a local offline box. How could he do that with Maltese online companies that are not completely legal here anyway...?
But that's exactly why you can NOT prove that online is NOT manipulated.
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If you can neither prove the one, nor the other then it is also called ignorance. And that's why a lot is argued here with feelings and sensations. It is the same with the belief in God, some say proves and that there is him and the others say thereupon proves us first that there is not.
Look at the lottery tickets alone, in a series of 1 million are 250,000 wins. That is 75% losers, of the 25% winners, the largest part of his bet or double of a ticket back. Now look online at the slots that sometimes promise 5000x, sometimes up to 100,000x wins. How many do you think have to lose? That the games sometimes play as switched I believe you, the exact distribution method knows no one. Whether it is actually calculated by reels stopping randomly, a loss system where you draw the spins/wins or whether the slot regularly adjusts to get to its RTP and then has low and high phases. Compensatory wins to maintain the RTP are forbidden, but are certainly done, i.e. if someone throws in thousands without ever getting anything, then the slot will give out a higher sum once to compensate for part of the loss. Such assumptions exist, but are not verifiable without a reliable control authority.
Neither the MGA, nor UKGC, nor the upcoming DE license will change this. No one is interested in how the slots operate, the regulators are more interested in monitoring the flow of money so as not to miss a dime... I meant to stop money laundering lol.
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Were all casinos affected ? No they were not are therefore all cheats? No they are not
Machines I see every day can fulfill the most unlikely scenarios sometimes comes really 0,0 rum and sometimes throw small Spielo boxes 9k sometimes are at the end of the month 200k + wandered through the thing sometimes only 50k
Even our things that are 100% not manipulated that I have personally played are sometimes the biggest pigs and sometimes the most beautiful boxes in the world that sometimes pull me off when I'm gambling on it
And they make more than enough turnover but just offline is the problem that people have completely wrong ideas play with 5cent 2€ long and complain that they have not won 1000 € or have not received FS that does not run so no one has a guarantee to win something at gambling
Theoretically you could gamble your whole life and not get a set of premium symbols and some get it 4 times a week
You can interpret everywhere something that is not and certainly has been online already cheated whether the tax or the players but since at every casino in the long run the same thing happens that you just get nothing for weeks it will probably just be so that everything runs correctly because the moments that you do not win speak rather for the fact that everything runs correctly as if you really get the most unlikely images for weeks
And if no one would play there would be no winners and no losers just imagine machines distribute money new they do not make more they do not generate money and for this service the operator who makes it all possible gets something off
Even if a machine makes a loss, it still does not generate money because it will be redistributed in the next few months
I write this because I have the feeling that many are not even aware of where the money comes from the machine does not get government funds to be distributed monthly to the most persistent player or the one who hits the keys the hardest
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Ahh. So true.. Especially the argument with the five cent players
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And if no one would play there would be no winners and no losers just imagine machines distribute money new that's all they do they don't generate money and for this service the operator who makes it all possible gets something off
Even if a vending machine makes a loss, it still does not generate money because it will be redistributed in the next few months
I write this because I have the feeling that many are not even aware of where the money comes from the machine does not get government funds to be distributed monthly to the most persistent player or the one who hits the keys the hardest
These are the best sentences I have ever read on this subject, thank you for that.
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