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Online Casinos in general: Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos? (Page 25)

Topic created on 01st Jun. 2018 | Page: 25 of 58 | Answers: 573 | Views: 152,346
crystal_machmeth
Experienced

Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

26th Jul. 2020, at 02:48 pm CEST#254
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could gamblejoe maybe even ask a few providers if they can give us answers and proof of how the system behind it works exactly?
last time I also lost a lot and have been very aggressive but now I'm trying to win again when my harz 4 is back.
(I think it comes on thursday)

you should never lose hope in a Provider think it is the wrong way.

i want all the providers to answer us here and make screenshots with bescheibung and pictures of their servers as everything runs and how a provider works so.

the casinos should also show what they can do with their software.

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WithoutWings
Expert

Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

26th Jul. 2020, at 03:04 pm CEST#255
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You can do everything with the software the question is only who really supervises that and since Malta has good income from it I think there are many eyes closed my opinion and experience

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Silence
Amateur

Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

26th Jul. 2020, at 03:42 pm CEST#256
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crystal_machmeth wrote on 26.07.2020 at 14:48: could gamblejoe maybe times ask a few providers if they can give us answers and evidence of how the system behind it works exactly?
last time i also lost a lot and was very aggressive but now i try to win again when my harz 4 is back.
(I think it comes on thursday)

you should never lose hope in a Provider think it is the wrong way.

i want all the providers to answer us here and make screenshots with bescheibung and pictures of their servers as everything runs and how a provider works so.

the casinos should also show what they can do with their software.

Your irony is already known to some ... but...you write a garbage ... madness

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crystal_machmeth
Experienced

Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

26th Jul. 2020, at 03:43 pm CEST#257
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Silence wrote on 26.07.2020 at 15:42
Your irony is already known to some ... but...you write a garbage. madness

and you write garbage too!

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Slothot
Amateur

Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

26th Jul. 2020, at 03:55 pm CEST#258
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Hartz4 comes only on Friday!!!! So your post is garbage!

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Katharina2
Top Member

Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

26th Jul. 2020, at 04:08 pm CEST#259
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I would not assume fraud in OCs. No matter who, what
it is provided for the sake of profit maximization. We should take
Take note. And: so far nobody has succeeded in making the 'BlackBox'
Casino transparent. It is and remains a well-kept secret.
This is a psychological aspect and says that profit increase takes place,
which is always at the expense of the player. We have this in the whole economy.
Retailers change their prices, manufacturers change their formulas. Almost
everything becomes narrower, thinner, more watery ect.pp. at the expense of the consumer
Ergo: do we as players have the responsibility to approach our game responsibly
and in such a way that the operational profit optimization passes the player by the a...
past. This has everything to do with strategy and tactics. At the slot machine
certainly more difficult than at table games. I can leave it or I'll get the 1st prize.

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mowolum
Elite

Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

26th Jul. 2020, at 04:24 pm CEST#260
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I don't think any casino is cheating.
for example, if you buy free spins at play Drago, the triggering feature ends up exactly where it should.
That makes me questionable.Since you can buy 3x or 10 x.It always happens the same.
I am convinced that the machines can be controlled.
But as I said, I do not associate this with fraud.
I just had to get rid of.

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Butterbrezel
Elite

Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

26th Jul. 2020, at 07:05 pm CEST#261
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@Katharina2

Why there are casinos even though there are providers?
Why do you buy your groceries at the supermarket, and not directly from the wholesaler?
A Provider is a provider, a casino is a casino.

@blackmamba

We did have a similar discussion in a previous thread.
We couldn't be further apart in our opinions.
Unlike others, I think you express yourself in a chosen way, and it's fun to discuss it with you because you are convinced of your opinion. Seriously.

Of course I don't know the exact contracts between the provider and the casino. You don't know them either.
Probably nobody here knows them.
One fact to be noted is that the casinos pay the providers, so the providers earn money.
The casino wins money from the total loss of all players.

There is no logical reason why they should cheat additionally. Except just the greed for the profit.
But there comes the point again. Why? The casino always wins automatically, no matter which or how many players win.

The with Gauselmann I have vaguely noticed (sometime what read over it), I have with it however
not intensively occupied with it. If I have information gaps here, I ask for understanding and clarification.
But the main thing about the Gauselmann story was that it was on stationary machines, right?
I think that doesn't quite fit in here.

I think the account terminations, payment bans, etc. simply have to do with the law.
It is a gray area in Germany to play online casinos. According to German law prohibited, according to EU law allowed.
Because of the chargeback danger, PayPal has withdrawn from Online Casinos, which is absolutely understandable.

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Lucas001
Amateur

Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

26th Jul. 2020, at 07:41 pm CEST#262
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I do not believe that there is fraud. Sure, they have to win but I notice that the more money I pump in, the bigger the win. Sounds stupid, but I observe scho longer so.

Today again 3000€ purely put and only ate he has. Then a short break and again 2000€ pure and this time with 9000€ win. With all deductions pure win of 5000€.

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gamble1
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Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

26th Jul. 2020, at 08:19 pm CEST#263
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Wutmaennchen wrote on 26.07.2020 at 11:06 am: Of course, purely technically, many things are possible today. But the question of WHY has never been completely clarified in the current fraud theories, but only justified with further theories.

Logically, the Provider does not care whether you win or lose.
The provider makes the game available to the online casino according to the wishes of the online casino and is paid for it by the online casino.
You can play the same slot at many different casinos.

The online casino wants of course that in total more players lose than win, otherwise they make a loss.

Example:
Book of Dead, Troll Hunters, Sticky Joker, Honey Rush, Sabaton. Example Casino X
Let's assume that Play'n'Go has only these 5 slots, which are offered at Casino X. Casino X has no other games from other providers, only the 5 games from Play'n'Go.

That means, before a player A receives a win of 10.000 EUR at Casino X in one of the 5 games, the players B - Z must first have lost this 10.000 EUR + sum X (profit margin of the casino) at this provider in this casino.

Example
Total bets in all 5 games by all players through this casino: 100.000 EUR
Wins in all 5 games from all players via this casino: 70.000 EUR
That means there is volume for a payout. And any of the players in this casino playing on any of the slots will receive a Big Win of 10,000 EUR.

Is this fraud?

I don't think so. It is preprogrammed that the casino wins and most of the players lose.
But there is also the possibility that you as a player win more than you lose - for this you just have to spin at the right casino at the right time.
Thus, the online casino basically does not care who wins, because the casino has won in any case.

This is called gambling.

A Slot machine can also make a loss for the operator in some months

We recently had one standing with us that has paid out as much as 10k more than he has taken in the last month of course this is not a permanent condition but it is possible from time to time

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