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Online Casinos in general: Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos? (Page 22)

Topic created on 01st Jun. 2018 | Page: 22 of 58 | Answers: 573 | Views: 152,311
upola
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Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

25th Jul. 2020, at 11:02 am CEST#211
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But these are also only thoughts, theses and his own opinion.any proof he can also not provide.
So really nothing new, already quite a few times read here.

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Julian
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Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

25th Jul. 2020, at 11:58 am CEST#212
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Hello Arab201,

To be honest, I find it quite refreshing to be able to read an opinion on this subject that doesn't contain insults, quips or the like, so you've earned my respect for that.

However, I personally think it is always a bit critical if you want to put his own opinion or views on this subject necessarily as the "truth".

"The providers like Play'n go and Co store your IP addresses and the storage is used to determine how much a player has lost at a slot. "

 " I'm a programmer and I know what I'm talking about because otherwise it wouldn't work at all and you can absolutely believe me that's exactly how it works."

As a programmer you should know that it is quite easy to change or manipulate your IP address,
there are for example some players who use a VPN, and in fact there are even some casinos that even tolerate this.
Therefore, the example alone should ensure that the system has a very large gap through which you as a player could influence the RTP at any time.

Even if you assume that not only the IP address is stored, but all data is accumulated to create a kind of player profile for each individual person, where ultimately every casino and Provider would have insight into it, the first question arises:

How does the "system" then behave in gambling houses, casinos, roadhouses and in kebab stands / bars, and wherever there are machines? the machines will certainly not be able to retrieve your IP and data, I also do not think that the kebab stands / bar owners data about each person in the world leads to regulate the machine, unless each individual machine would include a kind of face scanner to ensure your identity each time anew.

Where even that would bring quite a few gaps with it (alone now, for example, in the Corona time when you sit with a mask in front of the machine)

"Maybe one or the other has noticed after a big win nothing more comes from the respective operator no matter which game you open you will lose"

According to experience, this perception varies greatly from person to person, so I can only report from my own experience.
I myself have been able to experience different "patterns" over the years, there were times where I really won nothing for weeks, neither online nor offline at machines, but there were also moments where I had an awesome winning streak over several days.

For example, last winter I was able to pay out a big win one evening at the casino in Berlin, the next day when I flew back to Malta and decided to go to Casino Malta, I was able to pay out another big win there, and the next evening I was actually able to make a relatively good win online as well.

However, I think that most players have experienced a "run of bad luck" and a "run of good luck" at one time or another.

Also online, after a big win, I was able to make another big win in a very short time both at the same provider and even at the same slot.



" Because everything runs on the servers of the operators. For example, for those who do not understand, if you have won 1000€ at play'n go then you have probably already lost 1030€ or even more at this operator. Means that it is not a coincidence at all"

Right, no matter from which casino you start the slot, you will always be redirected to the provider's servers, which ultimately proves that at least the casinos have no influence on the game.

Also, I don't quite follow your example, generally gambling is built on the fact that the casinos (or providers) ultimately profit from it, the market must ultimately be kept alive, whether Table games or slots, the casino will always win in the end.

Every player (with a few exceptions, such as professional Poker games or Jackpot winners) will end up permanently in the red, there are certainly a few exceptions of "casual players" who are also temporarily in the black,
however, it is no secret that every player will lose sooner or later

Nevertheless, there are many cases that contradict your above example, in the slot Dead or Alive 2, for example, there were shortly after the release some players who have already won within a short period of time a Win factor between 50,000x and 100,000x,
the same could be seen with many other slots, also here on GambleJoe for example there are often awesome winning pictures or winning videos uploaded by our community from slots that were released just a few hours ago.

the theory that you generally must first land in the negative before you win big can not agree.



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Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

25th Jul. 2020, at 12:21 pm CEST#213
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Arab201 wrote on 25.07.2020 at 02:58: So, I'll explain to you how it really works in Online Casinos and that it is not worth playing in any case. The providers like Play'n go and Co store your IP addresses and the storage is used to determine how much a player has lost at a slot. The 97% Rtp are really paid out that is also verified by MGA the license provider. Only there is a hacken with the thing. 97% means that you are always and guaranteed 3% in the minus no matter if you Deposit 100€ and play on 20 cents if the operator thinks you have won enough you will lose even if you turn 1000 rounds. I am a programmer and know what I'm talking about because otherwise it would not work at all and you can absolutely believe me exactly how it works. Maybe one or the other has noticed after a big win comes nothing more from the respective operator no matter which game you open you will lose and no matter at which casino you are. Because everything runs over the servers of the operators. For example, for those who do not understand, if you have won 1000 € at play'n go then you have probably already lost 1030 € or even more with this operator. Means that it is not a coincidence at all. So you always get back only part of the money you lost. Depending on when the operator and the slots are of the opinion you have lost enough. The whole thing is to balance the players so that they win evenly. Only the problem is that players are all the time in the minus area and do not have the chance to come in the plus area. And that is the point. So you're just playing to pay for the slots and it's pretty expensive. It's kind of the same as StarGames where only play money is offered. It's really hard to explain it in an understandable way. But in any case, the players actually pay in all the time and do not have the opportunity to make plus. Moreover, the slots show very strange behavior. The wins are repeated all the time and you can guess when the operator wants to give back some of the losses. If Book of Dead only 2 books come all the time and the third does not come, you can completely forget about a win there and in all other games. Because if a slot from Play'n go does not pay out, the others do not pay out either. But if one of these slots pays out then the others also pay out. This means that if one game of the operators runs well then the others also run well. But you are never in the plus area. So it would be exactly the same as if you buy a computer game like World of Warcraft and pay it constantly with 3% month after month. If you don't believe me try it out. Play times with a Provider until you have won times what larger for example with 1€v1000€ then plays times of the respective operator the slots and you will find there is nothing more. No matter at which casino you play you will lose. So people I hope this will help many addicts to help them stop playing because it is just from my point of view is a scam.

Your whole chain of argumentation is based on the storage of the IP. This is absurd. If you don't have a dedicated line with always the same IP, it changes all the time. At home, it changes every 24 hours on the router at home, and when you log into the 4G network somewhere with your cell phone, the IP is always different.

I rather suspect a global RTP in the individual casinos. This theory can be supported by the fact that if it runs well, then it runs well in many slots from different manufacturers. If it runs badly, then it also runs badly in many slots of different providers. I have been able to make this observation so often, and many others could certainly confirm this as well.
In addition, when you log in, your session ID is generated, which determines whether you get the opportunity to double, triple, hundredfold, etc. your deposit. If the previously generated possible maximum is reached during the session and you don't stop and cash out, everything won is eaten again down to a merciless 0. The session is then considered lost. What I have also often noticed is that if you have exceeded the peak of the maximum possible win in the session and have already come into the loss phase, that when about four fifths have already been lost, it goes up again a bit. Quasi as a reprieve, according to the motto take this now better, otherwise it goes to 0. The personification serves here only the clarification.
So and all this can be implemented in my opinion only by a global switch in the respective casino.

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Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

25th Jul. 2020, at 12:52 pm CEST#214
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Arab201 wrote on 25.07.2020 at 02:58: So, I'll explain to you how it really works in Online Casinos and that it is not worth playing in any case. The providers like Play'n go and Co store your IP addresses and the storage is used to determine how much a player has lost at a slot. The 97% Rtp are really paid out that is also verified by MGA the license provider. Only there is a hacken with the thing. 97% means that you are always and guaranteed 3% in the minus no matter if you Deposit 100€ and play on 20 cents if the operator thinks you have won enough you will lose even if you turn 1000 rounds. I am a programmer and know what I'm talking about because otherwise it would not work at all and you can absolutely believe me exactly how it works. Maybe one or the other has noticed after a big win comes nothing more from the respective operator no matter which game you open you will lose and no matter at which casino you are. Because everything runs over the servers of the operators. For example, for those who do not understand, if you have won 1000 € at play'n go then you have probably already lost 1030 € or even more with this operator. Means that it is not a coincidence at all. So you always get back only part of the money you lost. Depending on when the operator and the slots think you have lost enough. The whole thing is to balance the players so that they win evenly. Only the problem is that players are all the time in the minus area and do not have the chance to come in the plus area. And that is the point. So you're just playing to pay for the slots and it's pretty expensive. It's kind of the same as StarGames where only play money is offered. It's really hard to explain it in an understandable way. But in any case, the players actually pay in all the time and do not have the opportunity to make plus. In addition, the slots have very strange behavior. The wins are repeated all the time and you can guess when the operator wants to give back some of the losses. If Book of Dead only 2 books come all the time and the third does not come, you can completely forget about a win there and in all other games. Because if a slot from Play'n go does not pay out, the others do not pay out either. But if one of these slots pays out then the others also pay out. This means that if one game of the operators runs well then the others also run well. But you are never in the plus area. So it would be exactly the same as if you buy a computer game like World of Warcraft and pay it constantly with 3% month after month. If you don't believe me try it out. Play times with a Provider until you have won times what larger for example with 1€v1000€ then plays times of the respective operator the slots and you will find there is nothing more. No matter at which casino you play you will lose. So people I hope this will help many addicts to help them stop playing because it is just from my point of view is a scam.

you have the same (and much more) gebetsmühlenartig but 5 months ago already posted in another thread and it had no effect



Arab201 wrote on 15.02.2020 at 08:36
So I'll tell you now how it really works in online casinos and how the slots are set. The 97% or 95% payout ratio in the slots is really true so every player eventually gets the 97 or 95 percent only until you get the 97% it can take up to 1 year. What does that mean for you and me now. Online casinos keep their promise but ask you beforehand right to cash and make billions and put the money in the bank and thus you get interest for the money you have previously ripped off from you. So and after a year or 4 months they pay you then endweder the 97% again or give you still what of the interest off if you are lucky. But so that you are never in the plus. The individual slots remember the payouts and at some point when the slot is of the opinion now I pay him back you only get back what you have paid in. This means you do not get more than 97% even if it makes here and there times big wins you always get the 97% in the end. This again means that the casinos always have 100% plus and no losses. Why 100% because just over weeks and months the customers are exploited until this 97% is paid out. And with the interest you pay out then at the end your wins what you have invested before with the banks. And exactly in such a way runs this schow. So it's actually fraud if you look at it closely but gambling in general is theft allowed by the state and countries. There is an urgent need to do something about it and gambling of any kind should be banned everywhere in the world.



https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/spielautomaten-automatenspiele/allgemeines/slots-speichern-ip-keine-gewinne-mehr-19225/5/#p139243

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Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

25th Jul. 2020, at 01:28 pm CEST#215
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gamble1 wrote on 25.07.2020 at 04:33
Then please explain to me what kind of prodigy I am that I won over 3k on Dead or Alive even though I almost never really played the slot how do I get this honor ?

Why am I in the Wildz Casino in the plus? The providers I play there I have never played anywhere hmm strange sounds almost like I have a special account vill I am also just involved in a big conspiracy

Now times seriously your trouble in all honor however why should one so an expenditure operate with a fair play comes anyway more than enough for the operators and manufacturers rum why the good name riskieren? If the Slot machine industry learns of it they would tear the bad bad online providers in the air and now no one can say that does not care because it is also rumored that Gauselmann hacker has set on Novomatic

Let's stay realistic


Yes, then continue to play Dead or Alavie 2 and try the next few years to win something there. I promise you that you will only lose at Dead or Alavie. In the beginning you may win with one Provider, but after that nothing will come until you have deposited the 3000€ again. But you can only find this out by playing Dead or Alavie 2 at night. You will notice that you only get 2€ wins depending on the stake in the free spins

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Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

25th Jul. 2020, at 02:05 pm CEST#221
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blackmamba wrote on 07/25/2020 at 1:56 pm


Who would put their business at Risk which depends only on luck????

It's a shame that some still don't realize that "luck" is only up to the player. The company (the casino) does not put everything on luck, but on the programming, which is luck or bad luck for YOU personally

Why do you always have to question everything and try to outsmart a system that cannot be outwitted. If you have deposited 1 million EUR in a casino and turn it away to 10 cent bet, you will have no more credit after (certainly several days/weeks) some time

If you pay 10 EUR, you can go home with 1000 EUR. Isn't that great?!

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Is there evidence of fraud in online casinos?

25th Jul. 2020, at 02:06 pm CEST#222
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blackmamba wrote on 07/25/2020 at 1:56 pm

Have a feeling that this isn't just Saturdays^^

But guessing is just more important. At least there are
a ten Paysafecard. And what some would do here, you know yes......

And I still share Arab's opinion.
A casino opens. A Highroller comes, plays BOD on 100 euros, and gets
2x5 heads. Can close the casino again. That there is a built in
and not everything is really dependent on chance, is self-evident.
Who puts his company at Risk, which depends only on luck????

And many 1000x factors are conspicuously often played out on small stakes.

With almost all big wins I had long dry spells before and after.
But all coincidence, I know!

You can believe and claim what you want, but these jibes against individuals is really disgusting. Attacking someone on a personal level makes you look ridiculous.

I can understand the opinion of the fraud, I also do not want to defend the industry that blocks payouts with unfair means. That they need a backup I personally believe only conditionally. Many casinos lower their RTP, block payouts for weeks or used the double account claim. Why all this, when you could simply set the slots to permanent eating?

Casinos have also gone bust, so I wonder what your response to this is?

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25th Jul. 2020, at 02:23 pm CEST#226
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Jokerboy wrote on 25.07.2020 at 14:05
It's a shame that some still don't realize that "luck" is only up to the player. The company (the casino) doesn't put everything on luck, but on programming, which is luck or bad luck for YOU personally

Why do you always have to question everything and try to outsmart a system that cannot be outwitted. If you have deposited 1 million EUR in a casino and turn it away to 10 cent bet, you will have no more credit after (certainly several days/weeks) some time

If you pay 10 EUR, you can go home with 1000 EUR. Isn't that great?!

I'm just repeating what the casinos claim, that everything depends absolutely on luck, and the people

then wonder that they only lose. Especially beginners
Because they really believe in it!

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25th Jul. 2020, at 02:24 pm CEST#227
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Kleinkariert wrote on 07/25/2020 at 2:06 pm: Casinos have gone bust too, so I wonder what your response to this is?

You're not serious about the last argument, are you?

As if companies are never deliberately set in the sand if at the end irgentwie something for someone out jumps!

And I don't think you've ever heard of such a thing either....so you can give yourself the answer.

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25th Jul. 2020, at 02:33 pm CEST#230
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blackmamba wrote on 07/25/2020 at 2:23 pm

Especially beginners
Because they really believe in it!

And that's a good thing too! As long as people still have dreams and hopes, everything is okay! You MUST be aware that gambling just has to do with luck. The clarification that it can also backfire, I think you learn in elementary school. There is always talk of a "devil" who takes part in gambling. And the devil is evil

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