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Online Casinos in general: Is it really all just coincidence? (Page 13)

Topic created on 12th Mar. 2018 | Page: 13 of 24 | Answers: 238 | Views: 63,288
s****e

Is it really all just coincidence?

27th May. 2018, at 04:40 pm CEST#121
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So for you every skeptic of OC is a delusional person?
So 95% of the people you surround yourself with here are idiots.

Bone, you are really one of the stupidest people I have ever met.
That one is skeptical, or convinced of what, has nothing to do with delusions.
It could actually be so, a proof against it could not find anyone.

That OC have mafia-like structures, however, very well. There lies then further fraud
not far away

Just because you do not understand that, since your horizon is apparently very limited, you do not have to
as idiots

Quote: Everyone who is convinced of the delusion that everything would be fraud has already so big problems that he should urgently stop playing.

You are simply pitiful!

And by the way, don't come now with the argumentation, you have called nobody an idiot, it comes out
it comes out the same!


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Knochen
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Is it really all just coincidence?

27th May. 2018, at 04:48 pm CEST#122
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But being convinced that Online Casinos are systematic fraud through and through is a symptom of a strong Gambling addiction and a lack of realistic self-assessment. It is also hard to admit how much you have failed. Psychology has many simple explanations for this. But since people who have devised a system in which they get along better only want to hear what they already think, there is no point in suggesting it to you.

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Daniel
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Is it really all just coincidence?

27th May. 2018, at 06:18 pm CEST#123
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As a person affected, I can say and admit that I did indeed have "delusions" in the past - in part even today. I was also once convinced that I was being cheated everywhere. u the beginning of my gambling career, I also didn't really understand the payout ratio - it wasn't really explained anywhere. At that time I gambled my fortune in a pub on three machines about 20.000€ - 30.000€ and thought where are my 75% back? I was at that time really almost around the clock in this pub and have partly played with the landlord (himself addicted to gambling) the whole night through. Since I knew the landlord, I also always had information about whether something was won at a machine by another player or not. At that time, I thought that if many players put 10,000€ into the boxes over time, 7,500€ would eventually come out again via one or more wins.

I even once bought alleged machine tricks at that time and if you have such thoughts that everything is manipulated, then you are additionally also the perfect victim for such rip-off artists.

Bone should have brought the whole thing over differently but in some ways you have as a gambler to some extent actually delusional thoughts. I don't exclude myself from that either - even nowadays. When I'm on a winning or losing streak, I always automatically think that they're trying to lure me in or that they won't let me win. These thoughts come automatically and in these moments, as well as in the moments afterwards, rational thinking somehow stops.

In my opinion, however, you should try to distance yourself from these thoughts. And not for the protection of Online Casinos, gambling houses or casinos, but for his own protection. If you have such thoughts, then you always secretly think that there must be some gaming behavior, pattern, where I can somehow outsmart the system. Some players, for example, bet on the three Scatters (my face, I've done that bullshit a few times in the past), because they think that this increases the odds of winning, because they either got lucky with it, saw someone else get lucky with it, or think it's a secret code (a cheat) from the manufacturers or operators to clear out the boxes later on, etc.

If you have such thoughts, I think it is harder to get away from Gambling addiction than if you don't have such thoughts (at least not when you are not playing).

When you know that with average luck you lose 60€ per hour when you gamble on 1€ (in casinos and online casinos) and you already had a better than average run when you lost only 30€ per hour. (**) If you understand how hard it is to make a fat win of 500x stake or more under these conditions, then you are more likely to play sensibly or not at all. I play much more sensibly since I know (and am also 99% convinced) that the machines work as described in our guide articles. I simply approach the matter in a completely different way.


  • I no longer think that the one machine I am constantly playing with soon return 75% or 95% of my total deposits in the form of Big Wins if I just keep playing. Knowing this, I can always say that I don't need to play in Spielothek A, Spielbank B or Online Casino C anymore because I'm not missing out on anything. And I have the same chances of winning on every machine and in every casino, casino or online casino.




  • I no longer think that if another player sits down at my machine and wins after me, that I would have won too. Because I know that it depends on the millisecond in which I click the start button (and this millisecond is absolutely random). So I don't have any hate or envy towards other players anymore and I can give up on a machine at any time.




  • and and ...



Fraud occurs sporadically everywhere, but it is not the rule. There are some criminal small gambling house owners who use saving boards and thus cheat players and / or tax office. Surely there was also once a game manufacturer for online casinos or casinos, which brought manipulated slots on the market. I don't know of any cases of the latter, but it could have happened at some point. Such things are then rather isolated cases. As a rule, everything happens without fraud, because even without fraud, an extremely large amount of money is earned.

(**) These are long-term average values based on probability. There are days where you win 1,000x or more his bet and then can / could play much longer with 60€ on 1€ / spin than on average and of course also times where you lose much faster. Depending on how high the Variance of a slot game is, the higher also the probability that the money is considered on short time periods faster away than on average. If you make a win of 1,000x, 5,000x stake or more, you usually don't continue playing and pay out, which is why players subjectively estimate the playing time to be lower.

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s****e

Is it really all just coincidence?

27th May. 2018, at 06:40 pm CEST#124
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I rarely gamble, and I am convinced that casinos cheat.
Just as the automobile industry cheats, the electrical industry cheats by installing inferior
Things, so that the things break sooner. In the same way the food
manufacturers cheat by stretching, seasoning or using the chemical cudgel.
This list can be continued endlessly.
In principle, there is no industry that does not cheat.


The same applies to all price agreements between the major manufacturers:

http://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/handel/kartelle-deutschland-ist-ein-paradies-fuer-preisabsprachen-a-1196831.html

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/gallery130169567/Spektakulaere-Kartelle-der-vergangenen-Jahre.html

And those are just the ones that stood out. So only the Tip of the iceberg.

Nothing other than fraud.

Would you have accused all those who suspected something like that of being delusional in the past?

Of course, only Online Casinos are honest. Logically!
why should they of all people not cheat?
Don't they want to make more money?
Why does everyone else do it?

And that's why I'm delusional now and lack a realistic assessment?

I think it's rather the other way around! Who so blindly trolls through the perfect world, is for me out of touch with reality!

Is clear...... .

Psychologists have also eaten the wisdom with spoons....

@Daniel

All casinos have a house edge, and win. Very clear. But they also want more and more
other companies always want more money. That is in the nature of the thing.
Whether a manager earns € 50,000 or € 100,000 euros, makes a very significant difference!
Malta has lax controls, what the control authorities do exactly nobody knows.
Whether it is possible to deceive the authorities, also not. This is VW e.g. quite well succeeded,
before it was discovered. Especially in the Internet and PC area can be manipulated so much to earn even more,
that it's almost a shame not to do it




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Daniel
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Is it really all just coincidence?

27th May. 2018, at 06:53 pm CEST#125
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stkrie wrote on 05/27/2018 at 18:40: I gamble very rarely, and am convinced that casinos cheat.
Just like the automotive industry cheats, the electrical industry cheats by installing inferior
Things, so that the things break earlier. In the same way the food
manufacturers cheat by stretching, seasoning or using the chemical cudgel.
The series can be continued endlessly.
in principle, there is no industry that does not cheat.


The same applies to all price agreements between the major manufacturers:

http://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/handel/kartelle-deutschland-ist-ein-paradies-fuer-preisabsprachen-a-1196831.html

Nothing other than fraud.

Only Online Casinos are of course fundamentally honest. Logical!
why should they of all people not cheat?
Don't they want to make more money?
Why does everyone else do it?

And that's why I'm delusional now and lack a realistic assessment?

Is clear...... .

Psychologists have also eaten the wisdom with spoons....

But gambling is, depending on how you interpret it, already fraud and I'm also sure that in this industry is cheated but I do not believe that the Slot machines or the games are all manipulated, because the manufacturers on completely legal way already earn vast sums. There is just a lot of lack of clarification and this is partly intentionally withheld. It is advertised with a payout ratio X, which sounds nice but for example no probabilities are given on individual wins. For example, 5 explorers on Book of Dead = chance 1:100,000 spins (is an estimate, I do not know the odds). In my opinion, the manufacturers should indicate these probabilities, as they are probably significantly overestimated by many players (including myself).

Let's take roulette. Roulette has an AQ of 97%. I can also determine the Variance myself, for example by always betting on one number. Anyone who has ever played roulette knows how hard it is to get the right number and there you win just 36 times your bet. On Book of Ra or Book of Dead you can win 5,000 times your bet. How hard must it be here? Think about it ...

There are cheats but they take place on other levels and not on the functioning of the slot machines. As I have already mentioned in another thread, the game manufacturers have good possibilities to bleed the players despite an AQ of 95% by increasing the probability of small intermediate wins in the same breath making the big winnings less likely. This can be profitable for the developers in so far as more players gamble away their intermediate winnings.

The extreme case would be a Slot machine with a payout ratio of 95%, where players can never get into the plus, because simply every spin ends with a loss of exactly 5%. Never a loss but never a win either. Nevertheless, the game would have an AQ of 95%.

If you now greatly increase the chances of intermediate wins and reduce the probabilities of the right big wins, then there will still be individual big winners, but there are just fewer players at the start who pay out

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s****e

Is it really all just coincidence?

27th May. 2018, at 07:02 pm CEST#126
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That's right, Daniel! And that's exactly the big secret. How do they do it?
It is fraud in that they have the house advantage. Clearly

But that is the same for all types of gamblers. No matter if lotto or horse betting.
There is always only one true winner in the long run

For example, I notice that high payouts are usually won with small amounts
are won with small amounts. It is a difference for the casino, if I have 5 explorers on 10 Euro, or on
10 cents

And is then counted again from the beginning? So do I have to wait 100,000 spins until the picture appears again?
Image appears again, or is it much rarer at a different bet level?

Or whether the payout is really 97%, or 85% over several years.
Surely no one would notice that. And if there is a cheating software for
Cars, there is guaranteed to be one for casino software as well. And the fraud would very well be directly on the slots.

The game manufacturers don't care whether the casino is in Malta or Curacao or somewhere else.
Whether people complain about certain casinos is also indifferent to them, the main thing is that
the money rolls. It is also the name of the game manufacturer, which is in some casinos ind the dirt
pulled, but it seems to be indifferent. Apart from illegal software now.
So other "irregularities" would surprise me zero!

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Daniel
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Is it really all just coincidence?

27th May. 2018, at 08:08 pm CEST#127
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stkrie wrote on 05/27/2018 at 7:02 pm: That's right, Daniel! And that's exactly the big secret. How do they do it?
Fraud it is in that they own the house advantage. Clearly.

Don't understand the question, how do they do what exactly?

For example, I notice that high payouts are usually won with small amounts
are won with small amounts. It makes a difference for the casino whether I have 5 explorers on 10 euros, or on
10 cents. And is then counted again from the beginning? So then I have to wait again 100,000 spins until the

Image appears again, or is it much rarer at a different bet level?

Sure it makes a difference to the casino if a player has 5 explorers on 10 cents or 10€. But it also makes a difference whether a player regularly plays with 10€ or with 10 cents. Both players lose at the latest in the long run but the 10€ player loses 100x more than the 10 Cent player. 5 explorers are also extremely rare on 10 Cent and it is therefore unlikely or almost impossible that a player who usually plays on 10 Cent and sometimes raises to 10€ during a good run, gets the 5 explorers.

There are no levels in Slot machines and nothing is counted from the front. If a casino or online casino introduces a machine, then you have at this new Automatn exactly the same chances of winning as at old machines. If a casino provides a new Roulette wheel, then you also have the same chances and if you play with 1.000€ coup, then you can also win higher amounts but also lose. Every single game is random. You can't start a casino with no money, you need a certain minimum capital to absorb any initial losses. It is about long term. You could theoretically get 5 explorers 2x in a row - but this is extremely unlikely.

It happens from time to time that a small player who has deposited a few Euros makes enormous wins. Of course, such a thing is as rare as a 6 with extra number in the lottery but it happens. Of course, some Online Casinos then make problems, because this player is extremely uneconomical for the casino. If the casino is then still a small player, then such a win can also make an online casino to create. Why should a small or less good casino bitch in such a case, if everything is manipulated and controlled anyway? Why should a casino let such an uneconomical player win?

Examples of such wins can even be found on GambleJoe:

Here a player won €110,000 at stake7 and had problems with the payout. In this case, however, it was the player's own fault and Stake7 would not have had to pay out and would even have been in the right in our opinion: https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/stake7-bestes-online-casino-des-monats-april-2018/

I would like to praise Stake7 at this point for this accommodating behavior.

In this case ( https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/merkur-casino-verweigert-auszahlung/ ), a player with a Deposit of 20€ in the Platincasino has won 160.000€ - without having won a jackpot. Here it was that the PlatinCasino got spooked and blocked the player's account when the player had a balance of 50,000€. The Platincasino had to reopen the player's account a month later due to pressure from regulators. The player continued to play a bit and turned the €50,000 into an incredible €160,000. The Platincasino closed the account again and did not want to pay out because some documents were still missing. The player turned to GambleJoe and the win was later paid out. The player had played without a bonus, so everything was legal and except for the fact that a document was missing, no reason could be found for not paying out the win.

How would such a win have been possible if everything was manipulated and controlled? Above all, the casino should have blocked the wins at the latest when the account had to be reopened a month later, if they could have. After all, this was not good marketing for the Platincasino that there were such big problems with this winnings payout.

Such things happen because everything is coincidental and many players play. There are also many people playing the lottery and there was, despite the pathetic AQ of about 50% certainly someone who in all the decades in which Lotto exists 2x as a result of a million Jackpot has cracked. And there are also addicted lottery players who bet a lot of money every month but never win a jackpot.

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s****e

Is it really all just coincidence?

27th May. 2018, at 08:36 pm CEST#128
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Ok, you mention here 2 examples of millions of players who were really extreme. Have read about the two cases here. But have not found
even close to something similar. Although already players who have won well, but never so rampant. Could now be explained with an
unintentional software bug. I think that various security mechanisms did not work. Whereby the lock or
logout was once again underneath. Also such a systematic thing that OC `s like to practice in my eyes.

The one with the 50,000€ had in my opinion just really lucky. There were but also the stakes I think accordingly, so that he is on
fabulous 160.000€ could play up

I have experienced this often enough myself. You win up to a certain point, and then it's over. No matter which game, no matter which stakes,
it rattles down to 0. My statements are always related to the masses, but never to 100%. Of course, there are always exceptions.

Every spin is absolutely random. So it can be that the 5 explorers come 2 times in a row, although it is extremely unlikely.
It is also possible that the slot only swallows 2 years. I had already asked the question, over which period must the 97% AQ be fulfilled?
AQ have to be fulfilled? What about the deployment level, is it dependent or independent? To what extent can I trust the Maltese authorities and control
and control bodies, if even money laundering takes place in the casinos, and is apparently not noticed? Then I must assume
assume that I am also being cheated in whatever form

I don't believe in coincidence anymore. And also the AQ is the best invention for OC. Yes sorry, you had bad luck, but we have
have an AQ of 97%, and it's all pure coincidence. Who says that? Who controls that? And yes I know that per 1 euro spin you lose 3 cent
on average

It's a difficult subject, I would like to research this more professionally too.
I was never one of those who lost 100€ and then called scam. But why should the OC industry be the probably
only industry that does not cheat? That would be naive to think in my eyes. The house advantage of the casinos is after all equal to
the selling price of a car, for example. The price is chosen so that everyone earns something. Up to here everything is still ok and equal.
But why do e.g. the car manufacturers cheat with cheating software, and the casinos remain in the legal area? Or just with the whole
Cartels with the price agreements. Only cheating, wherever you look. And just the OC industry wants to be honest, because one says, the house advantage
is enough?
The whole industries are not satisfied with their money, which they sell legally. Had written it above, with which tricks the
us every day over the ear
And of all things Online Casinos are supposed to be serious and limit themselves to the house advantage? Never, that I do not believe in 100 years!

And only that is the point. These are not delusions either. All industries do not get the neck full, and want always more.
Price-wise, however, the pain threshold is reached at some point, so other "methods" have to be found

The question was to what extent they cheat, how they do it

Of course, with 6 billion people, one wins the lottery Jackpot 2 times in a row. There it makes simply the mass.
And I trust Lotto yet a bit more

And a Roulette wheel also has less electronics. I trust it a bit more, too, but not 100%
We play completely virtual in OC, if you take it exactly. And there the vulnerability is much higher.

I already told you that I have never experienced such negative sessions in casinos than online.
And I was often in casinos in the past. Is this all supposed to be a coincidence? Especially because there are
really many so report.

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Knochen
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Is it really all just coincidence?

27th May. 2018, at 08:59 pm CEST#129
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"in what time must the 97% AQ be met"

- They don't have to be met at all. The average probability of a win per spin is 97% of the bet. That's all it says. By the way, the famous "heads or tails" game has an AQ of 100%. In fact, the point is not that the probability of winning is 97%. This AQ is the stuff of conspiracies because, unfortunately, hardly anyone understands what is meant by it.

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s****e

Is it really all just coincidence?

27th May. 2018, at 09:07 pm CEST#130
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Is this going on again now?
It does not give a damn which AQ or not AQ a slot has.
If I spend 300 euros, an average AQ of 50000% brings me nothing, when will you understand that?
finally understand that? This is for the casinos only an instrument to explain loss phases of players
to be able to

I lose an average of 3% on every spin.
This is a statement like that I pay an average of 90 cents for a liter of diesel.
But it doesn't do me any good if the price is just 1.30€. That's total nonsense.
So you can fool stupid, but nothing more!

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