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Carsten92

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9th Jul. 2022, at 09:20 am CEST#141

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What does that actually mean for us now?
Is it now forbidden since 01.07 to Deposit in all MGA casinos?
Will it be prosecuted from now on for everyone and do the banks really have to report these transactions?

Is there anyone who now knows what phase is and what this means for us?

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9th Jul. 2022, at 09:26 am CEST#142

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It has always been forbidden. It rarely bothered anyone. But now the banks are required to report it. If you do that, they will kick you out. But all sites should be blocked anyway. Then it's done. So I have understood it anyway

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9th Jul. 2022, at 04:10 pm CEST#143

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Lottoland and Lottohelden are likely to be among the first providers to be hit

https://www.gluecksspiel-behoerde.de/de/news/191-illegales-gluecksspiel-im-internet-neue-behoerde-geht-mit-laenderuebergreifend-gebuendelten-kompetenzen-und-gestaerkten-vollzugsinstrumenten-gegen-anbieter-vor

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Carsten92

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9th Jul. 2022, at 06:40 pm CEST#144

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DieWunderharke5000 wrote on 09.07.2022 at 16:10: Lottoland and Lottohelden should probably be one of the first providers to be hit

https://www.gluecksspiel-behoerde.de/de/news/191-illegales-gluecksspiel-im-internet-neue-behoerde-geht-mit-laenderuebergreifend-gebuendelten-kompetenzen-und-gestaerkten-vollzugsinstrumenten-gegen-anbieter-vor

Interesting!

I am a VIP customer of Lottoland and contacted them three days ago. (by phone)
Of course, I asked questions on the subject of the State Treaty on Gambling.

They told and assured me that as long as I can Deposit there everything is fine and nothing will be prosecuted.
Now I just read through the administrative procedure and read, however, only that providers are punished and not users.
This is really difficult...

One of the measures in the crackdown on illegal gambling is criminal charges, which GGL will file with the appropriate law enforcement agencies. Criminal prosecution is then the responsibility of public prosecutors and the police. Criminal proceedings and convictions may also be brought against providers from other European countries in absentia. To support the work of the public prosecutors' offices, the new authority will work closely with the competent prosecution authority in Saxony-Anhalt and share its market knowledge of providers and their group links. GGL is promoting the establishment of a focal prosecutor's office in Halle (Saale) to enable the law enforcement agency to take criminal action against illegal gambling offers. The authority is currently initially assuming a three-digit number of criminal charges each year.

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9th Jul. 2022, at 06:43 pm CEST#145

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valiant wrote on 09.07.2022 at 07:34
Ok thanks for the info.Well I don't know all of them. Don't sound very well known and reputable. And I don't feel like an ad. Even if the money comes by Skrill or so (what else should it be that knows the bank), the banks have to report it now. Then one has in the best case no bank account more and depending upon still ne announcement. And in this with state control I do not play. Then rather not is also cheaper-

But that would mean that every Skrill money on the account now leads to an ad. Max Mustermann can now make a Skrill account, I transfer him 200 Eur. Then he pays them into the account and he should get a report because of gambling? Then umpteen charges would have to be dropped after it was determined that it has nothing to do with gambling. Or how do you mean the whole thing?

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Carsten92

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9th Jul. 2022, at 06:51 pm CEST#146

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Carsten92 wrote on 09/07/2022 at 18:40

Interesting!

I am a VIP customer at Lottoland and contacted them three days ago. (by phone)
Of course, I asked questions on the subject of the State Treaty on Gambling.

They told and assured me that as long as I can Deposit there everything is fine and nothing will be prosecuted.
Now I just read through the administrative procedure and read, however, only that providers are punished and not users.
This is really difficult...

One of the measures in the crackdown on illegal gambling is criminal charges, which GGL will file with the appropriate law enforcement agencies. Criminal prosecution is then the responsibility of public prosecutors and the police. Criminal proceedings and convictions may also be brought against providers from other European countries in absentia. To support the work of the public prosecutors' offices, the new authority will work closely with the competent prosecution authority in Saxony-Anhalt and share its market knowledge of providers and their group links. GGL is promoting the establishment of a focal prosecutor's office in Halle (Saale) to enable the law enforcement agency to take criminal action against illegal gambling offers. The authority is currently initially assuming a three-digit number of criminal charges each year.

By the way, I found the following in addition to my contribution:

https://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2022-07/56510438-sperranordnungen-gegen-internetprovider-zur-ip-sperrung-von-gluecksspielangeboten-der-lottoland-gruppe-offensichtlich-rechtswidrig-007.htm

Lottoland will defend itself against the blocking of offers of the group with all legal means, including state liability suits in the three-digit million range

The Lottoland Group ("Lottoland", "Lottohelden"), a leading global and multi-licensed gaming group, is defending itself against plans by the Joint Gaming Supervision of the German States (Gemeinsame Glücksspielaufsicht der Länder, GGL) to require Internet providers to block offers from Lottoland. Blocking orders are generally prohibited vis-à-vis providers within the scope of protection of the free movement of services in Europe

The Lottoland Group is willing to regulate and has demonstrably been seeking German permits since 2017. in 2020, Lottoland Deutschland GmbH was founded specifically for this purpose. The applications for permits have not been decided or rejected to date, and the procedures are thus still ongoing.

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10th Jul. 2022, at 08:16 am CEST#147

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SlottiKarotti wrote on 09.07.2022 at 18:43

But that would mean that every Skrill money receipt on the account now leads to an ad. Max Mustermann can now make a Skrill account, I transfer him 200 Eur. Then he pays it into the account and he should get a report because of gambling? Then umpteen charges would have to be dropped after it was determined that it has nothing to do with gambling. Or how do you mean the whole thing?

Well the Senzario described by you makes only no man. Ask someone who doesn't gamble online about Skrill? You can also transfer the money to your buddy or send it via Pay Pal. Skrill is used to 99% for online gambling

The banks know that and they are not stupid.
In case of doubt, the bank must report it because of money laundering law then check it the authorities... if you can then prove the described scenario then everything is good. But Netteller, Skrill and as they are all called have mostly only one purpose to disguise the origin..

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MrFaxhaus

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10th Jul. 2022, at 09:17 am CEST#148

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valiant wrote on 10.07.2022 at 08:16
Well the senzario you describe just no one does. Ask someone who does not gamble online for Skrill? You can also just transfer the money to your buddy or send it via Pay Pal. Skrill is used to 99% for online gambling

The banks know that and they are not stupid.
In case of doubt, the bank must report it because of money laundering law then check it the authorities... if you can then prove the described scenario then everything is good. But Netteller, Skrill and as they are all called have mostly only one purpose to disguise the origin..

I do not know why people are afraid of Skrill and Neteller?
Of course the bank knows.
You can also circumvent the whole thing!
One does not pay with Skrill and Co. by Sofort or Trustly from the bank account
But goes to the gas station or supermarket buys a Paysafecard pays with Skrill and Co. in. In turn, I pay by credit card (Skrill &Neteller) in the casino. If I win e.g.: 2500 euros in the casino, the payout is made to the Skrill account
If I take my credit card (Skrill & Neteller) withdraw money at the nearest bank can then Deposit it in cash at my bank account or other way buy Crypto at Binance and Co. sell it and transfer the money to my bank account theme done.
I also use Skrill for payouts from Adobe (part-time photographer) sell my photos on the platform. Nobody gets that at all or asks questions.

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v****t

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10th Jul. 2022, at 09:36 am CEST#149

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MrFaxhaus wrote on 10/07/2022 at 09:17
I don't even know why people are afraid with Skrill and Neteller?
Of course the bank knows that.
You can also bypass the whole thing!
One does not Deposit with Skrill and Co. by Sofort or Trustly from the bank account
But goes to the gas station or supermarket buys a Paysafecard pays with Skrill and Co. in. In turn, I pay by credit card (Skrill &Neteller) in the casino. If I win e.g.: 2500 euros in the casino, the payout is made to the Skrill account
If I take my credit card (Skrill & Neteller) withdraw money at the nearest bank can then deposit it in cash at my bank account or other way buy Crypto at Binance and Co. sell it and transfer the money to my bank account theme done.
I also use Skrill for payouts from Adobe (part-time photographer) sell my photos on the platform. This gets at all no one with or asks questions.

Yes Ok but that becomes then what umtsändlich. Cash payments to the account are even more suspicious and may also have to be proven... For me, it's all too time-consuming KK I do not have at all I simply stop ...

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Frankey

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10th Jul. 2022, at 11:36 am CEST#150

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MrFaxhaus wrote on 10/07/2022 at 09:17
I don't even know why people are afraid with Skrill and Neteller?
Of course the bank knows that.
You can also bypass the whole thing!
One does not Deposit with Skrill and Co. by Sofort or Trustly from the bank account
But goes to the gas station or supermarket buys a Paysafecard pays with Skrill and Co. in. In turn, I pay by credit card (Skrill &Neteller) in the casino. If I win e.g.: 2500 euros in the casino, the payout is made to the Skrill account
If I take my credit card (Skrill & Neteller) withdraw money at the nearest bank can then deposit it in cash at my bank account or other way buy Crypto at Binance and Co. sell it and transfer the money to my bank account theme done.
I also use Skrill for payouts from Adobe (part-time photographer) sell my photos on the platform. No one gets that at all or asks questions.

I have a skrill account and an ecoPayz account with credit card. I created them 2 years ago because I won contests on LCB and Casino Listings forum. Ecopayz I used 2 and then never again. I totally forgot about the account and when I won $25 ecopayz credit I tried to log in but I couldn't because I changed my cell phone number. It took 9 days of pointless WhatsApp chat and emails until they unlocked the account. In the Casino Listings forum is a thread about Skrill and Co customer service. Funny to read if you have never had to deal with Skrill customer service.

I use Brave Browser . Among other things, they have a secure crypto wallet in the browser, which will soon no longer be of any use to me, as the EU has decided to make all anonymous crypto transfers, from self-hosted wallets for example, illegal by new law.

Converting the casino win into crypto and reselling it only works as long as you don't make a profit from the rate deffirence. The win is not tax free. Only after 12 months. If you have exchanged your 2500 Euro win in Bitcoin and bitcoin rises and you sell at the new rate in a few days or 8 months for 4500 Euro then 2000 Euro are taxable. If you sell after 12 months you don't have to pay taxes.

I do not believe that we will die out due to some catastrophe or disease, we Germans will probably be the only people who regulate themselves to death

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