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The ING has asked for a proof of income. I would have received 38 k from ... in the last months and I would have 120 k cash receipts with Trustly, Zimpler etc in the period of the last year and I am supposed to provide proof if I would have inherited etc etc
I have no win in the sense that I have gambled it all away again.
The 38 k are from my parents and were a gift and transferred to me pö a pö. The other payments are Online Casinos, many different, also Curacao licenses....
The amount from my parents I could prove, the other amounts not all. Because I no longer know where I played everywhere and I recently blocked ALL casino accounts because I no longer want to play ! I am through with it. Don't have any problems with not playing anymore either.
Now I do not know what to answer the bank. I have transferred all incoming funds salary and outgoing funds to another account. Has fortunately worked quite quickly, because I'm afraid that the bank terminates the account without notice or block. So terminating the account would be okay. But I am afraid that the bank will report me for gambling or money laundering etc ?
Should I send the bank the already available receipts from the casino (as I said are not all)
Thanks for reading and replying
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If you can not prove the origin, then you have unfortunately a small problem, since the bank must ask with these amounts, which are here in question, where your "wealth" comes from, is so regulated in the GWG.
Even if it will hurt now, the cleanest way to get out of this is to openly and honestly disclose to the bank that the money comes from online casinos, i.e. wins from gambling.
Either ING will be accommodating, give you the finger and say "not again", or they will cancel your account (they won't block it)... I don't know what ING is like when it comes to gambling.
But is unfortunately the only variant, you have to answer them and tell any fairy tales, that does not really make things better...
By the way, they won't charge you with gambling; they won't charge you with money laundering either, if you can prove that the wins are from gambling (especially since you seem to be able to prove at least a part of it)...
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The casino transactions you just give as such and explain the best also as you have explained it here and send as many receipts as possible with also if you have blocked accounts you can ask transactions they have to keep it for a longer time
The most important thing would be to prove to the bank that you have not laundered money the casino transactions can usually only bring you a cancellation
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In principle, it's right to close the account yourself, but you have to respond to the request; simply closing the account and retracting your head could end badly... The bank has to clarify conclusively whether there is a suspicion of money laundering or not...
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What Falko says is even quite probably a very stupid idea because that only makes you unnecessarily suspicious no offense Falko
The bank has now first transactions on the screen and either you react and explain conclusively where they come from or you leave it then the bank but could consider a forwarding
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Sorry what you say is completely wrong . Falko is absolutely right .
It is better to be suspicious than to provide the bank with evidence on a silver platter that you have committed a crime. If the legal department of the bank comes to the conclusion that there is illegal gambling because of statements you have made or documents you have sent, they will be forwarded.
My Tip to Heinzchen :
Either completely ignore the bank's proof of funds request or even better explain that it is about sports betting wins of course only from German licensed bookmakers (do not give exact names and be very vague).
Do not send any withdrawal and Deposit histories to the bank for any transactions related to gambling.
You will only incriminate yourself .
Documents for the donation from your parents are no problem.
But of course you can also refuse if you think that the bank is not concerned (rightly so).
If you want to take it very precisely you can also contact a lawyer for legal advice to discuss everything in detail
Of course I do not know your transaction history with the bank in detail but from what you describe I think it is very unlikely that a case is opened by the prosecutor even if the bank gives a report
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So I am not aware of any case that a bank has initiated a preliminary investigation by
admitted casino gambling to the tax authorities / prosecutor's office has forwarded.
But this does not mean that it is impossible. We are not the judiciary.
The bank will most likely take the consequences, and terminate the account once they have
the origin of the money. But maybe not.
In my opinion, it is more dangerous to ignore all this. No one here knows whether the bank
is obliged, if no explanation comes, to report the whole thing. The black money suspicion
is then nothing cleared. I think this is a much more dangerous way.
But since none of us knows how the bank reacts to what, no one can help here.
Even among the banks there are different procedures. Some tolerate it, some
get terminated.
So the TE should turn to a place that can give her a reasonable statement, not a
"I think", "maybe", "nothing happens" etc, like here. After all, we are not talking about nonsense here, but ultimately
forbidden casino gambling, and a bank termination, which may be in the room
stands. And even if the TE doesn't care about that, it may well be that
that e.g. thereby the creditworthiness sinks. And that is then no longer funny.
Here some expressions are to be evaluated really only with a head shake
P.S. The bank has nothing to do with it, but it will probably be forwarded to the tax authorities, who will be concerned
quite what concerns. I don't think that is the better way.
I'd rather explain something to the bank than to the tax authorities!
But for such questions lawyers are the better contact!
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There was even here in the forum a case .
Since one has won 400K
Maybe someone remembers the case. Must be so 2 years ago a
Bank has frozen the account of the user and he has explained himself to the bank and said that it is gambling wins and even proved it.
A little later there was a house search and it was charged with illegal gambling.
The user has then spoken to a lawyer and told him that his biggest mistake was to say that it was gambling and he played from D. The whole thing ended well.
But the whole thing turned out well. Proceedings were discontinued against a fine.
I am sure that any reasonable lawyer would advise you in this situation not to send documents to your bank that incriminate yourself.
@ Heinzchen
I do not want to spread panic here. With your initial situation very probably nothing else will happen
Nevertheless, you should not serve your bank evidence on a silver platter that speaks against you.
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Right such cases there were actually already here. I can even remember at least 3 different cases here in the forum, where the bank has made an ad, because it was stated that the wins came from gambling. In one case, it was a lady from Bavaria, who was recommended a law firm by the forum operator Daniel, and through this lawyer, the proceedings were then discontinued. The win was 50,000 euros, which she was allowed to keep after it had been frozen by the bank. But this lady had to pay the lawyer from it and it cost her just over 10 000 euros. Otherwise, your Tip to the TE sports betting to indicate, which is actually super. Then she can say at this ING Bank that she can no longer track these providers where the wins were made, because there are infinitely many providers on the Internet. But slots she should not say in any case.
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