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Online Casinos in general: I have a big hunch... (Page 5)

Topic created on 21st Nov. 2018 | Page: 5 of 32 | Answers: 314 | Views: 61,578
P****R

I have a big hunch...

22nd Nov. 2018, at 04:57 pm CET#41
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infinite money would not be a problem anyway with the one Roulette Manipulation accusation with evaluation posted here: simply initiate one or more other players or use account of a fan family member/friend and always bet / let bet the maximum on the respective counter chance.

in the manipulation debate, you only have to differentiate between Table games from real casinos and Slot machines or online slots. that's a completely different discussion of principles.


the main reason for the majority of accusations in roulette might be due to the ignorance (despite partly high gambling experience) of the players about the effective "power" of chance. even when objectively arguing with the state of knowledge from the leading professional literature, i have never heard a plausible cheating theory for the liveroulette variants from real casinos. these are always welcome...

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C****7

I have a big hunch...

22nd Nov. 2018, at 05:20 pm CET#42
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Now there are not only no theories but real proofs how this is technically solved with correspondingly sophisticated software.

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C****7

I have a big hunch...

22nd Nov. 2018, at 05:32 pm CET#43
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And it's exactly these vibrations that you see in Evolution Gaming's Live Roulette

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C****7

I have a big hunch...

22nd Nov. 2018, at 05:40 pm CET#44
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PAYSAFEMASTER wrote on 11/22/2018 at 4:57 pm: infinite money would not be a problem anyway with the one Roulette Manipulation allegation posted here with evaluation: just initiate one or more other players or use account of a fan family member/friend and always bet / let bet the maximum on the respective counter chance.

in the manipulation debate, you only have to differentiate between Table games from real casinos and Slot machines or online slots. that's a completely different discussion of principles.


the main reason for the majority of accusations in roulette might be due to the ignorance (despite partly high gambling experience) of the players about the effective "power" of chance. even when objectively arguing with the state of knowledge from the leading professional literature, i have never heard a plausible cheating theory for the liveroulette variants from real casinos. these are always welcome...

I already know what "power of chance" is playing here

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Ichbins2018
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I have a big hunch...

22nd Nov. 2018, at 11:27 pm CET#45
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Strolch wrote - Unbelievable stuff what you have to read here. Anyone who really thinks they are getting screwed and still plays is highly sick or just plain stupid and inconsistent.

@Strolch, now put that the cheating one day proves true, would that then mean in reverse that you are stupid?

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Latino
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I have a big hunch...

23rd Nov. 2018, at 12:06 am CET#46
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@strolch
Unbelievable stuff to read here.

What exactly is unbelievable for you ? I'm happy to help ....

Who really thinks that he gets screwed and still plays is highly sick or just stupid and inconsistent.

I agree with you and I'm sure there are many people in this forum who have gotten into huge debts because of their gambling addiction. I at least know very well that it's stupid and still play occasionally

Well, if it's that easy, then I'll register again using the address data of my girlfriend / uncle / grandma / friend and - voila infinite money.

In addition to address data, please also organize bank accounts along with statements, utility bills, hardware and phone numbers. Of course, also provide appropriate access data and pins / tans - and voila your environment is considering a forced admission.
Otherwise great post besides the rich arguments I also find the polite tone remarkable

@capriz
What do you agree with Strolch then ? Ne real statement he has now not just made (except that he all the critical with OCs deal for sick, stupid and inconsistent holds)

Also for you: Grandios argued while I ask myself the following

who try to make others responsible for their failures.

What kind of failure ? In addition I ask myself why one drives other people if these express the suspicion that not everything goes with right things or you feel perhaps also only deceived. Maybe you explain it to me?


@PAYSAFEMASTER
with the Manipulation debate one must differentiate only between table plays from genuine gaming houses and automat plays and/or on-line slots

I agree with you that this should be separated, but in this thread it is perhaps not so out of place. In casinos I see it the same way as you and do not believe in manipulation. Online I am a bit more skeptical - Dreamcatcher wheels with engine, Blackjack where the Dealer knows the result before the card is drawn are already strong indications of the possibilities

Just now I watched a Streamer playing Lightning Roulette and wondered why the wheel turns even though nobody pushes it or how the ball suddenly enters the wheel - looks like a video sequence to me. Manipulable ? Definitely - without wanting to imply an actual manipulation! Demonstrable ? Rather not ...

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K****t

I have a big hunch...

23rd Nov. 2018, at 12:55 am CET#47
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capriz wrote on 11/22/2018 at 4:25 pm: Absolutely agree with you and Royal


There are just bitter gamblers on here trying to blame others for their failures.

Yet another one who has no information other than what the casinos and gaming companies claim, yet thinks they know everything better.

You and others, who always think that the skeptics in the matter of OCs are some cranks with Aluhut, should once be aware that all your information about Online Casinos / online gambling come exclusively from the casinos and the game operators themselves.
All info sites like GambleJoe, Askgamblers, Casinomeister and what they are all called, ONLY know what the OCs and game operators themselves give out in terms of info.

Does anything ring a bell?

How do you actually think you know more or know the truth when you are fed exactly the same info as everyone else?

And why do you allow yourself to call players failures?
If you are of the firm opinion that everything is just coincidence, no one CAN help not winning.
If it is not coincidence but Manipulation, no player can do anything about it either.
In any case, there is no question of failure.

Just stop making unsubstantiated claims as the Holy Gospel of the gambling world. You have just as little real knowledge as anyone else.
One of the few who can give a vague glimpse behind this is Latino.
And yet he doesn't just claim that either cheating is happening or it isn't.

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Anonym

I have a big hunch...

23rd Nov. 2018, at 03:42 am CET#48
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Kaffeelicht wrote on 23/11/2018 at 00:55
Yet another one who has no information other than what the casinos and game manufacturers claim, yet thinks he knows everything better.

You and others who always think that the skeptics in terms of OCs are some weirdos with aluhut, should once realize that all your information about Online Casinos / online gambling comes exclusively from the casinos and the game operators themselves.
All info sites like GambleJoe, Askgamblers, Casinomeister and what they are all called, ONLY know what the OCs and game operators themselves give out in terms of info.

Does anything ring a bell?

How do you actually think you know more or know the truth when you are fed exactly the same info as everyone else?

And why do you allow yourself to call players failures?
If you are of the firm opinion that everything is just coincidence, no one CAN help not winning.
If it is not coincidence but Manipulation, no player can do anything about it either.
In any case, there is no question of failure.

Just stop making unsubstantiated claims as the Holy Gospel of the gambling world. You have just as little real knowledge as anyone else.
One of the few who can give a vague glimpse behind this is Latino.
And yet he doesn't just claim that either cheating is happening or it isn't.

That's right.


But in essence, this discussion is also pointless.
For a very decisive reason:
Let's assume that everything is completely random and the information of the casinos and game manufacturers are correct. It is and remains a perfidious system in which we will lose everything in the end. The addiction would anyway bring the money back to the casinos and the mathematical advantage will strike in the long run. Whether the casinos prevent higher wins and thus have a lower Risk (could be that all winners Deposit in another casino) and can show a better business balance is completely secondary.

I have been a gambler myself for so long and have been dealing with gamblers for so long that this is absolutely certain. No player keeps his money. It's just borrowed money that stays with you. It goes back into the casinos. The bottom line is that you only work for the casinos. You give it to them.
Whether manipulated or not, you never have a chance. The biggest enemy is oneself.
And the same as here in the OnlineCasinos applies is also with the Livegame so. Also there everybody only loses. A ridiculous daily win of a few hundred can never make up for the damage you've already done.
It's not just the money, it's the friends, the social environment, the quality of life and the self-confidence that you take away.
Gambling dominates you. You don't really take part in life anymore, it's all about a few stupid pictures. You think it's about winning, but if you're honest, it's all about losing.


Therefore it is completely unimportant whether manipulation takes place or not. What difference does it make?

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C****7

I have a big hunch...

23rd Nov. 2018, at 06:14 am CET#49
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Latino wrote on 11/23/2018 at 00:06: @strolch

There I agree with you in principle that one should separate this, but in this thread it is perhaps not so misplaced. In casinos I see it the same as you and do not believe in manipulation. Online I'm a little more skeptical - Dreamcatcher wheels with engine, Blackjack where the Dealer knows the result before the card was drawn are already strong indications of the possibilities

Just now I watched a Streamer playing Lightning Roulette and wondered why the wheel turns even though nobody pushes it or how the ball suddenly enters the wheel - looks like a video sequence to me. Manipulable ? Definitely - without wanting to imply an actual Manipulation! Demonstrable ? Rather not ...

@Latono: I have explained to you in the previous contributions and proved that unmistakable proofs are present and partly with video sequences we pointed out and that manipulation is. Even a small child recognizes in it that there is tricked. What in God's name makes you think that it is not provable?


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C****7

I have a big hunch...

23rd Nov. 2018, at 06:31 am CET#50
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And if you want I will be happy to post more proof videos of my Roulette tests so that there is not the slightest doubt that Manipulation is going on.

A request: There are users here who constantly dub game lovers as addicts or losers, just because they recognize the effective manipulation as such.

Stop it already.

It's the same way Online Casinos treat complaints from customers: "If you don't like it with us, don't play with us anymore". That settled the complaint for them.

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