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Online Casinos in general: I have a big hunch... (Page 2)

Topic created on 21st Nov. 2018 | Page: 2 of 32 | Answers: 314 | Views: 58,819
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I have a big hunch...

21st Nov. 2018, at 06:49 pm CET#11
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So the thought of Ikarus is not so absurd.I do not theorize so grenew it nevertheless times.

For the following theory I have neither proof nor evidence - I therefore ask to refrain from corresponding answers which demand this !


I could take the following from many postings:
1)Many players report that they have developed an affinity to play after you have won initially, of course, the game operators know. It makes sense to let a player win at the beginning to animate him to play in the long run. Of course, the game operators also know this and I also think that they use this knowledge to optimize their profits. Such practices can now be seen in almost all areas of online business and the customer encounters this form of profiling under the beautiful term "improving the user experience"
2) Many players report that they initially in Online Casinos could also make good wins
3) To register in several online casinos to use this "new customer bonus" does not work .

From this one could now conclude:
a) The casinos do not operate this profiling, but certainly have statistics on how the ROI is when you give out freespins or the like - freely according to the motto "Small gifts keep the friendship". That this is appreciated by customers can be seen, for example, in some threads here in the forum. That casinos work together is not fundamentally absurd but not very likely.
b) The profiling is operated by the slot providers - these can determine in addition to data they receive from the connected casino (and be it only a depersonalized UserID) in conjunction with hardware and / or browser fingerprinting very accurately whether customer X has already cleared in Casino 1 and this then also in Casino 2 to recover the loss. This also explains above point 3 does not work). Furthermore, this could be an explanation that often multiple accounts per household or even per residential address in the terms and conditions are not allowed.

Let's assume that the providers operate customer profiling - how could this look like?
After the Slotprovider beside the data of the Casino and Browser-/ Fingerprinting-Profiles and/or Cookies very surely can determine whether the appropriate customer is new he could increase the RTP for a period of time around you at a not too distant later time again to put down. From my programming experience (nothing to do with slots) it would be quite normal to be able to set such values at server startup. For example also the language version, which currency should be displayed or a demo mode should be activated.

If the RTP for new customers (new for the slot provider) is increased to say 120% for one game hour, this could be compensated by the following 5 game hours an RTP of only 90% is called - is now strongly simplified represented and will - if it would be so - be much more finely fanned out. Thus the overall RTP would still be 95%. That the RTP can be changed by the Provider could be supported by another indication - the suspicion that at certain times e.g. beginning of the month the slots pay worse.

Of course, there will also be winners here because even with lower RTP it is possible to get a decent win - it's just a little less likely. But that the RTP can also be dynamic would be at least in theory easily feasible - practically it makes sense in any case to increase the profit. But in the long run the RTP will settle down to the usual value of ~95% and thus this purpose really only makes sense for new customers.


@MerkurZocker222
A technician once told me that the vending machines from TR 5.1 onwards all have facial recognition now

Facial recognition is of course nonsense because you are not reliable enough and the resource expenditure is very high, in addition, other companies have already flown on the face e.g. facial recognition in the Real market.
Furthermore, you are lumping arcade devices together with online slots

If I do, then I'll cast myself a Roshtein silicone mask and never have to work again - wins guaranteed *grin*


@strolch
What's the point of going to all that trouble?

This effort is already made in many places - in all business areas. It serves to know the customer in order to keep him not only in the long term as a customer but also to maximize the earnings from the customer. And especially for areas in which a lot of money flows, it is well worth this effort to operate.


then one needs already again an interface to the automat

This interface already exists in many arcades - online anyway , so e.g. new games or updates are provided. And this requires no great effort.
Of course, it is not ripped off from back to front, no customer does that in the long run - but it can be determined at what load the customer is just still held.

and elaborate cookies that analyze something are not cheap and it is not done with releasing a supercookie

Cookies are for Fingerprintingverfahren only a nice addition and complex you are not at all, already without Cookies and only with Browserfingerprinting can be identified 93% of the users clearly.
More about this e.g. on https://www.golem.de/news/browser-fingerprinting-tracking-geht-auch-ohne-cookies-1310-102253.html
Who goes deeper into the matter will find out that this method can deliver a hit rate close to 100%


@Royal777
So the casino can't control your win/loss RTP.

The casino doesn't have to, the provider can/will do that - as a service.but the casino will send data for reconciliation and be it only a UserID. This data is collected in any case, because you have to settle against each other.

It has already been said by Gauselmann and is also in the machine that you can come through strategies to greater success.

I spontaneously think of: "Smoking is healthy - drawn Dr.Marlboro" - Otto Waalkes
How should the strategy look like ? Keep betting until it works?

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C****7

I have a big hunch...

21st Nov. 2018, at 09:48 pm CET#12
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Icarus wrote on 11/21/2018 at 3:25 pm: Hello everyone,

i have won a few weeks ago about 2500 € at Vegascasino... At the moment I win nothing more, either it is because I'm not lucky anymore or the casinos belong together.That is the economic system of the "casinos", sees what the customer has won and paid out and already he wins nothing more ... The money must be back in the casino or the whitelabel group. So that the casino is in the plus.


As follows, I see that so the casino all work together in the "network" and then pay out...

@Ikarus: What you describe experience very many users of Online Casinos and it is not a coincidence

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C****7

I have a big hunch...

21st Nov. 2018, at 10:06 pm CET#13
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When you see this video you realize why users suddenly only lose

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C****7

I have a big hunch...

21st Nov. 2018, at 10:12 pm CET#14
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Here how it works technically. Is anyone of the opinion that the twitching in the ball is not detectable in the video above?

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Knochen
Elite

I have a big hunch...

21st Nov. 2018, at 10:35 pm CET#15
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MerkurZocker222 wrote on 21/11/2018 at 16:53: A technician once told me that the machines from TR 5.1 now all have facial recognition and depending on how much you are in plus or minus at the respective chain, you win or not.

I was once told by a tiler(strictly speaking also a technician) that Down's Syndrome occurs due to vaccinations in children

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I****s

I have a big hunch...

21st Nov. 2018, at 11:30 pm CET#16
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So I just wanted to Deposit money into the casino and "burn" ..But no more deposits are possible from my account.In another "casino" it worked without problems

Liege there so right the "economic system of the Mafia " . In addition, the machines TR 5.1 and the predecessors are all connected to the Internet via the RJ 45 port or the network line. I think that the devices have aufjedenfall a journaling run and the data to a database pass on. This then calculates the profitability of the hall and pays out

It is known that if you make a profit, there is also a win. So I think it is better to let the fingers of it.

If someone with 500 € into the casino eincasht the server thinks oh the coal has we give what. With alldenen where it has worked with 10 € or 20 € "respect", that's not normal!

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I****s

I have a big hunch...

22nd Nov. 2018, at 12:02 am CET#17
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https://www.epochtimes.de/lifestyle/unterhaltung/online-casino-wirtschaft-der-markt-boomt-a2223455.html

2016 already 2 billion revenue !!!

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Marqes
Expert

I have a big hunch...

22nd Nov. 2018, at 12:16 am CET#18
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Ikarus wrote on 21.11.2018 at 23:30: So I just wanted to Deposit money into the casino and "burn" ..However, no more deposits are possible from my account.In another "casino" it worked without problems

Liege there so right the "economic system of the mafia " . In addition, the machines TR 5.1 and the predecessors are all connected to the Internet via the RJ 45 port or the network line. I think that the devices have aufjedenfall a journaling run and the data to a database pass on. This then calculates the profitability of the hall and pays out

It is known that if you make a profit, there is also a win. So I think it is better to let the fingers of it.

If someone with 500 € into the casino eincasht the server thinks oh the coal has we give what. With alldenen where it has worked with 10 € or 20 € "respect", that's not normal!


So I have very often experienced, actually almost always, that I have won with small deposits more or at all what as if I have paid 50 or 100 euros at once.


I have the same with the deposit.
I can make a maximum of 4 deposits per banking day at sofort or klarna.
Then nothing more goes, neither at Casumo, Sun or Sunny.
Except for one casino, I can still make up to two deposits more. Videoslots.
I do not understand why this is possible at this one casino and no other.

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I****s

I have a big hunch...

22nd Nov. 2018, at 12:29 am CET#19
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Nene I have had there highest 1 Deposit by Entercash... And the day before yesterday it still worked.

Oh yeah something else.. The LVBet Casino gedöns runs on an "Amazon Server" hosted in Dublin and Vera and John on a server in Redwood City

Or the project of the Mega Yacht ? Project Redwood.


http://superyachtmag.com/2017/08/06/456-foot-lurssen-superyacht-project-redwood-on-track-for-delivery-in-2019/

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lostboys1
Amateur

I have a big hunch...

22nd Nov. 2018, at 02:39 am CET#20
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Ikarus wrote on 22/11/2018 at 00:29: Nene I have had there highest 1 Deposit via Entercash.... And the day before yesterday it was still working.

Achja nochwas.. The LVBet Casino gedöns runs on an "Amazon Server" hosted in Dublin and Vera and John on a server in Redwood City

Or the project of the Mega Yacht ? Project Redwood.


http://superyachtmag.com/2017/08/06/456-foot-lurssen-superyacht-project-redwood-on-track-for-delivery-in-2019/

AND???

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