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Online Casinos in general: I have a big hunch... (Page 18)

Topic created on 21st Nov. 2018 | Page: 18 of 32 | Answers: 314 | Views: 58,447
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Latino wrote on 12/03/2018 at 2:18 pm: @rozey


No, at 96% RTP you still have 96% of the money wagered when you end the session (This is how the myRTP values are determined at Videoslots for example). If you turn down to 0€ then you have 0% RTP.
But you are not completely wrong because the RTP value is still missing the number of spins. Unfortunately, this ratio can not be put down as a blanket because the RTP value would have to be applied to the lifetime of the slot. I can confirm the normal return in a game around 70% (according to my observations), but it rips strongly up or down from a BigWin comes or if the slot runs very bad (logical). Nevertheless, you move independently within the specified RTP - you could also say: If you have less than your (specified) 96% RTP at a slot you would have to continue playing in principle as long as (please do not do!) because the more spins the more the slot would have to approach this value. And in order not to "falsify" the whole thing, only one single bet size may be played and also only at one single slot.

Strongly simplified example:
You Deposit 1000€ - you play only Reactoons on 1€ and the box gives nothing except for a few intermediate winnings and the money is (sooner or later) gone - here you have a RTP of 0%
Now you think "I'd rather make smaller deposits" and deposit 20 Euro the next day (again Reactoonz on 1€), spin on 1€, win and get paid 220€. That would be a RTP of 1000%
Question: What is your RTP ? Yes exactly, RTP would be 500% but your loss of money would be 78% and therefore for me the RTP value is one of the most overestimated data at all.

I deal now once with one of your sentences: "If you turn down to 0€ you have 0% RTP".

Complete nonsense. 0% RTP you have only if you have not had a single win since the deposit. All intermediate winnings count towards the RTP, even the ones that don't even add up to 1x of the stake. In addition, the whole thing is also independent of the stake:

If you have 100,01€ and spin 2x on 50€ bet and get 0€ win each time you will have 00,01€ and a RTP of 0%
If you then spin once on 1ct bet and win 10€ you will have 10€ and a RTP of 333,333%
If you then spin once on 10€ bet and win 0€ you will have 0€ again but a RTP of 250%

Of course, this is a very exaggerated example, but it is still suitable for illustration. Here the player would spin 4x, lose 100€ and still have a RTP of 250%


Another example: You have deposited 1000€ and play Reactoonz on 1€ and the box gives nothing EXCEPT a few intermediate winnings. And already it is impossible to have a RTP of 0% because you have already won money. The RTP is not measured by how much the player is willing to pay out, but by what he actually wins

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Latino wrote on 12/03/2018 at 2:18 pm: @rozey


No, at 96% RTP you still have 96% of the money wagered when you end the session (This is how the myRTP values are determined at Videoslots for example). If you turn down to 0€ then you have 0% RTP.
But you are not completely wrong because the RTP value is still missing the number of spins. Unfortunately, this ratio can not be put down as a blanket because the RTP value would have to be applied to the lifetime of the slot. I can confirm the normal return in a game around 70% (according to my observations), but it rips strongly up or down from a BigWin comes or if the slot runs very bad (logical). Nevertheless, you move regardless of this within the specified RTP - you could also say: If you have less than your (specified) 96% RTP at a slot you would have to continue playing in principle as long as (please do not do!) because the more spins the more the slot would have to approach this value. And in order not to "falsify" the whole thing, only one single bet size may be played and also only at one single slot.

Strongly simplified example:
You Deposit 1000€ - you play only Reactoons on 1€ and the box gives nothing except for a few intermediate winnings and the money is (sooner or later) gone - here you have a RTP of 0%
Now you think "I'd rather make smaller deposits" and deposit 20 Euro the next day (again Reactoonz on 1€), spin on 1€, win and get paid 220€. That would be a RTP of 1000%
Question: What is your RTP ? Yes exactly, RTP would be 500% but your loss of money would be 78% and therefore for me the RTP value is one of the most overestimated data at all.

The Videoslots RTP for me was 54% although I ended up with 0 €. I have tried a lot of theories and checked for plausibility (depending on the slot you are after 5000 spins quite close to the stated RTP)

The article on fingerprinting I find interesting and will read that more closely, thank you for this information - do you think it is enough to turn off Web GL? I would have to see how it affects my daily use, the display of the pages would change.

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K****t
Ankor wrote on 03/12/2018 at 14:13
You are aware that cookies are stored locally on your computer? This does not require any cleaning software, the cookies are easily deletable in the browser or you search locally on your computer and delete the corresponding data. If you do not trust the deletion in the browser you can search yourself on the computer, you open for example for Google Chrome by [Windows key] + [E] first "This PC" then you click on the address bar above and enter the following:

"%localappdata%\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\"

("Default" is the profile name of the settings, if you ever created a completely new set you have to replace it with the profile name. You can also look yourself by crossing out Default and seeing a name you entered yourself or "Profile1", "Profile2", ...)

But if you delete cookies here, you can't differentiate them, i.e. you delete all cookies and not only for certain websites. Thus, among other things, font sizes, passwords ... settings will also disappear on other pages. Who wants can use a cleaning software, in my opinion, the Windows tools and the browser are enough, and then click everything he wants to delete.

I am aware of this, I have also done this
But it says nothing about what casinos or providers remember.
As I said, I am always recognized with my settings at different times in different casinos. Some have to keep it that way because there are slots where you have to work your way up, that is, reach bonus levels. If no game could remember that, you would have to start all over again.
But it is problematic if there are no bonus levels at all and a storage of the game behavior and the settings is necessary.

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P****R
in today's age, it should be known anyway that many things are technically possible. it should also be known that people are often interested in constantly improving their financial situation and their lives, and in earning money.

in this respect, i could never really understand how one can basically assume pure coincidence with online slots. in doing so, i make absolutely no accusations about manipulations or the like, it's just that i wouldn't entrust my own hard-earned money there. just like i would never in my life bet a cent at a virtual Roulette version. especially with roulette, this shows my change of view in consideration of live versions or in the real casino.

in any case, i will play a session with the te at a liveroulette table at the same time and document it. of course, the playing distance is also relevant, but afterwards, one of the two "parties" should have confirmed the "evidence" or revised the opposing opinion. (provided that the playing distance(s) are also appropriate, of course)

i have only last week at the liveroulette (EG) strange impact behavior of the ball during a 23 red series (screenshot internet and world record probably, but let me gladly convince me of the opposite) observed, yet I do not assume any manipulations.

update coming soon

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Anonym
Coffee light wrote on 03/12/2018 at 15:56
I am aware of that, this is exactly what I did as well
But it says nothing about what casinos or providers remember.
As I said, I am always recognized with my settings at different times in different casinos. Some have to keep it that way because there are slots where you have to work your way up, that is, reach bonus levels. If no game could remember that, you would have to start all over again.
But it is problematic if there are no bonus levels at all and a storage of the game behavior and the settings is necessary.

There will be other storage methods, the casinos store as far as I know for each player the data also. This allows you to see, for example, the game history and so Videoslots and also other casinos can distribute "trophies" for successes. In addition, this is also possible with some providers to save the bonus round.

But wanted to point out the terminology, not that you therefore talk past each other

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Latino
Experienced
@bones:


I'll now deal with one of your sentences: "If you turn down to 0€ you have 0% RTP".

Complete nonsense.

Habs me again looked at, you're right! Since I wanted to represent it probably too simple, sry for it!




@Ankor:

do you think it's enough to turn off Web GL?

No that's not enough, you would have to disable all script elements(webGL,Javascript,webASM,Flash,etc...) and even then the browser still delivers quite a bit of data - but then probably not a single slot will work.



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C****7
Here are a few screenshots from Live Roulete Evolution Gaming. You may guess from when I started with the black-red ever once constantly repeating. Always look from left to right at the winning colors above.

Champion280667

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C****7
Here the second picture to the previous post

Champion280667

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C****7
I'll put the link, it's easier

Champion280667


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Champion280667

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Anonym

Champion280667 wrote on 04/12/2018 at 13:01: I'll post the link, goes easier

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Awesome! You've exposed them! Off with it to Trump so he can "Make the casinos great again!".

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