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Online Casinos in general: How real and virtual/online casinos work (Page 2)

Topic created on 05th Aug. 2024 | Page: 2 of 6 | Answers: 80 | Views: 3,652
comiker91
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How real and virtual/online casinos work

5th Aug. 2024, at 10:06 pm CEST#16
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Falke wrote on 05.08.2024 at 22:04:
And how exactly do you know that? Everything you write here is your opinion. Of course, it could just as well be that Manipulation is taking place simply because it is technically possible. And if something is technically possible and a lot of money is involved, then the temptation is very obvious. And casinos in particular are not exactly the most trustworthy companies.

The manipulation can also come directly from the gaming Provider, who sometimes sets the slots to pay out and sometimes to lose. And of course, this can also be applied to a player ID, which could even take place across casinos.

I'm not saying that this is the case, but it is possible. And what always strikes me is that those who are convinced that there is no manipulation are always the ones who present it as fact. As if they had an insight into the entire procedure and knew all the industry secrets. In reality, these are all just "facts" that have been gleaned, usually from gambling portals. And gambling portals as a source of information, well, what more can you say.

Because the providers benefit in that sense?
They have nothing to do with money. They get their commission and they don't care about the rest.

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XXLEONIDASXX
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5th Aug. 2024, at 10:11 pm CEST#17
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I've had the idea for years...that every player is hired based on their ID. I've been playing online for 16 years and I often see the same processes...I Deposit for months and win nothing, then when I've deposited a total of 10k or more for 6 months and lost, I get a big win somewhere, like recently at slayers Inc on 80 cents just under 6k..then nothing comes back for months until the profit is gone again and I've deposited thousands more. It's been like this for years. I've never been in the black in a casino like Milo here, for example, who is tens of thousands in the black at stake. There may be such things, but very, very rarely. You can count yourself lucky if a casino favors you like that! Then in individual games always the same sequences with pictures or almost pictures. What's more, if someone often plays on 20 cents to €1, you'll never get a good win on higher bets. I occasionally play on €3, €5, €10...but I've never hit 1000x or more in all these years. On €1 I've hit over 1000x umpteen times ... and on 10 cents, the smallest bet, I've strangely hit over 15,000x several times. Strange coincidences in any case. The only wins I get are when I win back a maximum of half of the depositors from the last few months and then that's it for months.

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R3hab
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5th Aug. 2024, at 10:16 pm CEST#18
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It always depends on the manufacturer, who has access to certain data and how, I don't think that the manufacturer allows the casino operator full access to it

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Falke
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5th Aug. 2024, at 10:25 pm CEST#19
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comiker91 wrote on 05.08.2024 at 22:06:
Because the providers have something of it in that sense?
They have nothing to do with money. They get their commissions and don't care about the rest.

And that's supposed to be THE argument that everything is fine?

Once again, neither you nor I know how it really works. We both have an opinion, but that's about it. But neither of us knows for sure. And that's perfectly fine. It just annoys me when one side always presents it as fact, even though there is just as little knowledge.

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comiker91
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5th Aug. 2024, at 10:40 pm CEST#20
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Falke wrote on 05.08.2024 at 22:25:
And that's supposed to be THE argument that everything is certainly fine?

Once again, neither you nor I know how it really works. We both have an opinion, but that's about it. But neither of us knows for sure. And that's perfectly fine. It just annoys me when one side always presents it as fact, even though there is just as little knowledge.

But there is knowledge

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Falke
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5th Aug. 2024, at 10:46 pm CEST#21
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comiker91 wrote on 05.08.2024 at 22:40:
But knowledge is there

Of course it is. You must be the CEO of Pragmatic and let me guess, you own at least 3 big online casinos.

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comiker91
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5th Aug. 2024, at 10:55 pm CEST#22
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Falke wrote on 05.08.2024 at 22:46:
Sure you are. You must be the CEO of Pragmatic and let me guess, at least 3 big Online Casinos belong to you too.

Not that

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R3hab
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5th Aug. 2024, at 11:36 pm CEST#23
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Said the comedian😂😂

But the providers also run casinos, what do you say? Mhhh just not transparent enough and with reason

You can't know that exactly, someone who knows certainly won't blurt it out here so don't act like you're an insider, we've already had one like that

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RainerHeiner

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5th Aug. 2024, at 11:38 pm CEST#24
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As I haven't deposited in a slot for a long time now and only read here occasionally, I can't share my own current experiences. But one thing is clear:

It is technically easy to call up the slots for certification with certain transfer parameters with which they generate the "official" RTP, but at the same time to design the interface so open that OCs can call up the same, then certified version of the slot with a different "manipulated" transfer parameter set. The diesel emissions scandal sends its regards.
As the codes (neither those of the slots nor those of the OCs) are not openly available, no outsider can recognize this.
Per se, I don't consider the figures operating in the Slot machine scene to be any more trustworthy than the board members of Mercedes, VW, Bosch, Conti, etc., who were also unable to give in to the lure of money.
And the slot providers may also benefit from playing the game. None of us (I would hazard a guess) know the contracts that are being negotiated.
And of course there's the big win, because it's the very best form of advertising if it can be seen here as a winning picture or on a streamer's live stream. When I read the monthly balance reports (especially those of the "pros" with high turnover) over the last few months, it really doesn't sound like 96% RTP. And from what I can see, most of the guys are still playing under MGA or Curacao licenses.

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comiker91
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5th Aug. 2024, at 11:44 pm CEST#25
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R3hab wrote on 05.08.2024 at 23:36: Said the comedian😂😂

But the providers also run casinos, what do you say? Mhhh just everything not transparent enough and with reason

You can't know that exactly, someone who knows certainly won't blurt it out here, so don't act like you're an insider, because we've already had one like that

The difference is that I really do work in the gambling industry.
But well, if you don't want to know what it's like, I'll write nothing more.

Bad luck

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R3hab
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5th Aug. 2024, at 11:54 pm CEST#26
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comiker91 wrote on 05/08/2024 23:44:
The difference is I really work in the gambling industry.
But well if you don't want to know how it is I just write nothing more.

Bad luck

Oh come on was just joking, don't be miffed

What exactly are you doing?

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frapi07
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5th Aug. 2024, at 11:57 pm CEST#27
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The TE asks how OCs actually work. But we can only speculate, unless one of us comes from the industry or owns an OC. Then we know more, of course, but otherwise we have no facts. Just because something is written on the internet does not mean that it is put into practice.

However, there are incidents or situations that at least suggest manipulation. The fact that streamers often get very high multipliers cannot be a coincidence... or that you play much longer with a bonus (and not just because you have more money at your disposal) or even win with a bonus. All these incidents are repeated too often. This cannot be "luck".

Ask yourself how often you get to 1-2000€ with 20-50€ and how often you get to this amount with a bonus. Without using a bonus, the balance usually disappears quickly, so you may get a little high, but very rarely does it go as well as with a bonus.

Real casinos generally work without scruples, do you really think OCs are any different?

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XXLEONIDASXX
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How real and virtual/online casinos work

6th Aug. 2024, at 12:07 am CEST#28
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It's all mafia...there's so much money flowing! The whole of Malta is controlled by the mafiosi.

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R3hab
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6th Aug. 2024, at 12:13 am CEST#29
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XXLEONIDASXX wrote on 06.08.2024 at 00:07: It's all mafia...there is so much money flowing! The whole of Malta is controlled by the mafiosi.

Let's get some knars and join in 😂😂

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Marieangels
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How real and virtual/online casinos work

6th Aug. 2024, at 12:20 am CEST#30
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XXLEONIDASXX wrote on 06.08.2024 at 00:07: It's all mafia...there is so much money flowing! The whole of Malta is controlled by the mafiosi.

I can only confirm your experience. I've been playing online for 12 years and have seen all the changes. I'm happy when I find a casino these days where it's a bit of fun and you don't just eat it up. But it never stays that way. After a win, I don't need to play in that casino anymore, and it's better not to play in others either. So I think it can really be controlled. At the moment, I only Deposit very small amounts. You can also win with a €20 depositor if they want to tempt you a little. Anything is possible in the digital world and the operators are not your friends. They want your money.

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