Online Casinos in general: Hearing Police Suspicion Money Laundering / Platincasino / Claim Money Back (Page 2)

Frankey wrote on 06/10/2023 at 01:24 PM:


Xun Topic 1. . To understand about "taxes" at Platin Casino just read the last sentence in the paragraph over there. . Without license means Platin was illegal... What Do illegal business never? They never pay taxes. A drug Dealer does not register his business with the tax office.

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Sebi123 wrote on 09.10.2023 at 07:02:

Gambling wins are tax free.

At least with slots, Slot machines, Roulette lotto.
Only with Poker you could be classified as a professional gambler and have to pay income tax.

Have asked two tax advisors exactly about this with just both this above answer.

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btssultan wrote on 09/10/2023 at 01:34 PM:
So to keep it short

Topic 1:

Would be personally new to me that you receive a letter from the local police department, in which at the same time evidence is also presented, which currently in an ongoing investigation for money laundering or you include.

As a rule, you get a letter in relation to a hearing, because against you a preliminary investigation is running or is sought.

At the same time, in such matters you are not obliged to appear or to provide information, which in the worst case, even if you mean well, can be interpreted differently than you actually meant.

It is different with a summons of the public prosecutor's office, here then depending upon case a compulsory order of fine and detention or with court summons a default judgement etc. pp. can follow.

Topic 2:

Depends on the respective period, there is no guarantee of success and can be expensive.

A colleague of mine has today before the district court against LeoVegas a lawsuit in progress. Damage amount just under 30,000 € am even curious how it will turn out, was also initiated by Provider in the ways, this offers about 5-7% and paid for the same and in case of success, all expenses, in the case to LeoVegas forwarded plus the thick claim.

In short, you get on average 1000 € of the buyer of your claim in case of success, the full cost recovery and your money

Let's put it this way, no it's probably only worth it if you go it alone! About said sites that pay so little, I can only laugh, for that you then also have the trouble and still have to go to court.

The providers are now only looking for the icing on the cake, where you know exactly, you do not lose much - finally you go empty or are only fobbed off with peanuts.

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Falcon wrote on 09.10.2023 at 14:00:

So, now let's be basic. Litigation funders only give an immediate payment for more or less watertight cases. Most of the time they are casinos that settle. An immediate payment should be at least 25% - 30%. If your buddy seriously got only 1,000 €, for a 30,000 claim, then this contract is invalid, because it is usury. In other words, your buddy can sue the process financier.


And by the way and as a little hint: Your buddy sues the casino. This also means that theoretically he can take the money.

Do not get involved in any immediate payments. And if you absolutely want to sell a 30,000 € claim for 1,000 €, then even I accept the offer. I think anyone who is out of kindergarten can figure out what a bad deal this is.

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gamble1 wrote on 09.10.2023 at 14:37:
It's called Right Now and yes you get such a ridiculous offer but that's exactly what is openly communicated to you from beginning to end

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Falcon wrote on 09.10.2023 at 14:00:

So, now let's be basic. Litigation funders only give an immediate payment for more or less watertight cases. Most of the time they are casinos that settle. An immediate payment should be at least 25% - 30%. If your buddy seriously got only 1,000 €, for a 30,000 claim, then this contract is invalid, because it is usury. In other words, your buddy can sue the process financier.


And by the way and as a little hint: Your buddy sues the casino. This also means that theoretically he can take the money.

Do not get involved in any immediate payments. And if you absolutely want to sell a 30,000 € claim for 1,000 €, then even I accept the offer. I think everyone who is out of kindergarten can figure out what a bad deal this is.

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btssultan wrote on 09/10/2023 at 15:47:
So appointment was today and meant only was all by video conference. Only the judge + He on site, both lawyers via video conference, everything is just chewed from front to back and everyone can ask their questions to you.

Was simply about finding out what else you know or how you paid in, where the money came from etc and of course whether you knew about it in advance or not and have debts etc. What he has strongly criticized is simply the Player protection, I mean, he has the sum at that time in a month there verdaddelt and it came no demand, where that money comes from or although the probably on player protection make, ever a demand, with all the deposits.

Also, interestingly, was asked about his bank, so can also be that here is also still investigated, why, for example, the bank has not intervened at that time, with so many transactions abroad or he has even written to his bank because of it.

Finally, he said only to me, both lawyers were difficult to read, whether it is positive or negative for the course, what he said. His lawyer (representative) seemed rather generally not very enthusiastic about what he said. But it's just hard to remember everything when it's been many years, let alone not being able to prepare for such conversations.

In itself, he said at the end, interesting that the law firm that LeoVegas has used is generally known and advocates for betting providers, etc., you can also find immediately on the Internet, if you deal with it.

Let's see what the ruling brings with it, am curious myself. Hope could bring you at least what I still know from writing something closer. Personally, I think in the case of success, should probably be more in it than just, something more than 1000 €, since all expenses can be rolled off. But probably looks bad, for him, as declaration of assignment was made in advance, but do not know me well enough in contract law.

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Pima007 wrote on 09/10/2023 at 15:40: Hello,

License and taxes has nothing to do with money laundering for now.

Normally, the bank reports when high sums per month on the account, especially from abroad.

You must then provide evidence of where the money comes from.

Your bank does not know that it is a casino win.

If you can not present anything, then it will be difficult.

Therefore, Skrill, Neteller, or use other wallets.

Also, do not transfer high transfers from Skrill to a German bank, for this Skrill has a credit card

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Falcon wrote on 09.10.2023 at 16:05:

I really have to ask this, but is your acquaintance stupid? He really gave away a total of €30,000 for €1,000? Your friend hopefully already knows that the full amount plus 4% annual interest goes to the litigation financier. If the lawsuit is won (and it can be assumed that it will be) all court and lawyer fees have to be paid by the casino. So the PF then pockets about €31,000 and has thus paid your acquaintance with the interest alone.


If I were your friend, I would hand the case over to a lawyer, who would make sure that the money is transferred directly to him, and then threaten the PF with legal action if he does not agree on a halfway human amount.
What do you go to court for anyway, if you then give the money to someone else again anyway.

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Falcon wrote on 09.10.2023 at 16:05:

I really have to ask this, but is your acquaintance stupid? He really gave away a total of €30,000 for €1,000? Your friend hopefully already knows that the full amount plus 4% annual interest goes to the litigation financier. If the lawsuit is won (and it can be assumed that it will be) all court and lawyer fees have to be paid by the casino. So the PF then pockets about €31,000 and has thus paid your acquaintance with the interest alone.


If I were your friend, I would hand the case over to a lawyer, who would make sure that the money is transferred directly to him, and then threaten the PF with legal action if he does not agree on a halfway human amount.
What do you go to court for anyway, if you then give the money to someone else again anyway.

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Legancy wrote on 03/10/2023 at 13:55: Good day,

have received a scare letter,
i am accused of money laundering
in the letter you can see withdrawals from my bank ( RedRhino Ltd)
the Provider does not have a valid German license in the case Platincasino

What I do not quite understand, with Platin you pay taxes for each turn.

Does anyone have any experience with this?
What should I do now, admit the crime? What will I have to pay then?

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Topic 2: in an article I read source: -Link removed- that it was possible for a player from Schleswig Holstein to get his losses back. Is the article real and is it really possible? Does anyone have experience with this?

Edit by Andre: Link to third party site removed

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gamble1 wrote on 10/10/2023 at 17:12:

Some people also just don't have the time and desire to chase the money apart from that what do you think it costs when they lose ?

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Falcon wrote on 10/10/2023 at 18:31:
A few thousand at the most. Know cases where it went all the way to the appeal hearing and the legal fees and court costs were a little over €2,500. That was paid by the other side, but if you had lost, that would have been the costs and possibly the same amount again for the opposing lawyers, so about 5,000, which is quite high.


Moreover, there is only one reason why litigation financiers exist, and that is because the probability of losing in court is very low. In Austria, the probability is 0%, and in Germany it is now a few percent.

And to what extent do you run after the money if you make a normal litigation financing contract where you also give away between 30 and 50 %? What has changed for him now in this case? He has done exactly the same as he would have done with a normal contract or without a contract at all (i.e. at his own expense).

The bottom line is that he gave away €30,000. The question is rather, why does he run after the money, which he must print then someone stranger. I would feel maximum fooled, if I go to a court hearing, where it is about that my PF pulls all my money out of my pocket. One has not asserted his interests in court, but only the interests of the PFs and that is shabby.

But again: If you also want to sue, then I will gladly take over all your costs and give you 1,000 €, if you also bring me a casino with 30,000 €. I will gladly take the minimal Risk of losing.

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gamble1 wrote on 10/10/2023 at 19:07:

You would seriously Risk your own money for the chance ? Could even bring you 5 casinos where I don't gamble all anymore but am well over 30k in the red


Do not get me wrong this instant compensation is rip off no question they offer you on 10-15k loss 1000 € but want according to the contract also if necessary a personal appearance in court what I would not do even more just to get 1-2k immediately

In my eyes, they are no better and speculate only on the addiction and impatience of people when they wave a few bills in front of the face around but I strongly suspect such contracts are watertight and I suspect some control evade the fact of what is to be claimed here namely a so in this extent from the outset actually illegal transaction that should not have been made at all

You are informed about it and sign a declaration of assignment and to what extent can that please be challenged as long as you were conscious ?

If I now declare I Gamble1 Falke sign over my car for 10 pears I can not contest it just because the car has much more value than the pears there is in DE already a little more of logical common sense except I would now be at a certain age and you could push it on senile dementia

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