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Online Casinos in general: Hacker attack on Merkur Bets (Page 18)

Topic created on 14th Mar. 2025 | Page: 18 of 22 | Answers: 319 | Views: 25,762
upola
Legend

Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 08:38 am CET#256
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Justus34 wrote on March 26th, 2025 at 5:35 pm:

If someone drives the bumper off your car, you want compensation too, don't you?

Bad example, because then I really have damage.

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Zockerbernd
Amateur

Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 08:41 am CET#257
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upola wrote on 27.03.2025 08:38:

Bad example because then I really have damage.


And if someone uses your data, ID documents and selfies to verify themselves with all banking histories and e-wallets, constantly makes direct debits and concludes contracts on your credit rating, you have no "real damage"? Can you please explain this in more detail?

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Donnie
Elite

Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 09:37 am CET#258
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Zockerbernd wrote on 27.03.2025 at 08:41:
And if someone uses your data, ID documents and selfies to verify themselves with all banking histories and e-wallets, constantly makes direct debits and concludes contracts on your creditworthiness, you have no "real damage" ? Can you please explain this in more detail?

And this potential damage ends with compensation? Nope, and that's the problem. If the data falls into the wrong hands, no lawsuit will do any good. But gambling addicts are scrambling to get their hands on money, I bet. Both are somehow right. But the fact is that even a few thousand euros in damages protects you from nothing. The damage can't even be properly quantified

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Rainmann
Elite

Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 10:41 am CET#259
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Donnie wrote on March 27th, 2025 at 09:37 am:

And that potential damage then just stops with damages? Nope, and that's the problem. If the data falls into the wrong hands, no lawsuit will do any good. But here gambling addicts are looking to make money, any bet. Both are somehow right. But the fact is that even a few thousand euros in damages protects you from nothing. The damage can't even be properly quantified

Correct, but you shouldn't just accept it as it is, because there is always so much talk about data being secure etc. Let's wait and see what happens

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upola
Legend

Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 10:57 am CET#260
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Zockerbernd wrote on 27.03.2025 at 08:41:
And if someone uses your data, ID documents and selfies to verify themselves with all banking histories and e-wallets, constantly makes direct debits and concludes contracts on your creditworthiness, you have no "real damage" ? Can you please explain this in more detail?


If if if
And what damage do you have exactly?

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gamble1
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Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 11:27 am CET#261
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Donnie wrote on March 27th, 2025 at 09:37 am:

And that potential damage then just stops with damages? Nope, and that's the problem. If the data falls into the wrong hands, no lawsuit will do any good. But here gambling addicts are looking to make money, any bet. Both are somehow right. But the fact is that even a few thousand euros in damages protects you from nothing. The damage can't even be properly quantified

You shouldn't see it as if the sum X protects you from any damage, but rather as compensation for the psychological stress and the additional expenses that arise from the effort should something happen to the data. In addition, such payouts also have a learning effect.

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frapi07
Elite

Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 11:30 am CET#262
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upola wrote on March 27th, 2025 at 10:57 am:


If if if
And what damage do you have now exactly?

The damage is that someone unauthorized (the hacker) has obtained the data. The possible damage is that someone else may have gained access to the data.

Yes, it's certainly done for the money, but what's so bad about that? These are claims that we can assert. What's more, we're not talking about €5,000 or €1,000 here. As I said, we're talking about a few hundred euros - nothing more. Honestly, I'd rather have my data gone than have this small compensation. If you have an affected email, you will notice the damage. But we're only talking about email addresses... up to now, ID photos have never been "leaked" to this extent, or can you give me a reference case?

They have cashed in nicely over the years and paid zero attention to data protection and they should feel the consequences. I can't be sloppy at work and then suffer no consequences. Especially when it comes to data customers that are very sensitive and can cause a lot of damage.

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upola
Legend

Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 12:48 pm CET#263
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frapi07 wrote on 03/27/2025 11:30 AM:
The damage is that someone unauthorized (the hacker) got the data. The possible damage is that someone else may have accessed the data.

Yes, it's certainly done for the money, but what's so bad about that? These are claims that we can assert. What's more, we're not talking about €5,000 or €1,000 here. As I said, we're talking about a few hundred euros - nothing more. Honestly, I'd rather have my data gone than have this small compensation. If you have an affected email, then you will notice the damage. But we're only talking about email addresses... up to now, ID photos have never been "leaked" to this extent, or can you give me a reference case?

They have cashed in nicely over the years and paid zero attention to data protection and they should feel the consequences. I can't be sloppy at work and then suffer no consequences. Especially when it comes to data customers that are very sensitive and can cause a lot of damage.


There's nothing wrong with it, you just have to be honest and admit it - nobody has suffered any real damage yet.



gambele1
You shouldn't see it as if the sum X protects you from any damage, but rather as compensation for the psychological stress and the additional expenses,











Oh come on now, stop it, you don't really believe that

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frapi07
Elite

Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 01:16 pm CET#264
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upola wrote on March 27th, 2025 at 12:48 pm:





There's nothing wrong with it, you just have to be honest and admit it.

I don't think anyone is denying that. But the damage has already been done. The hacker has seen this data and even evaluated it. Don't you see it as damage if someone unauthorized knows what your IBAN is, has a picture of you and knows how much you're putting into it?

upola wrote on March 27th, 2025 at 12:48 pm:





Oh come on now, stop it, you don't really believe that

Yes, it's possible. I saw a case where the email address was hacked (see picture - had to write an email to the police). The hacked email address contained a picture of the ID card (it wasn't deleted - it was in the "sent emails" folder). You can't imagine how panicked this person became, especially when parcels arrived that had not been ordered by this person. Financing applications (cell phone, etc.) were also made with it. The stress + time involved in reporting all this and canceling or returning everything should not be underestimated. The game was played for weeks.

frapi07

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gamble1
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Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 01:37 pm CET#265
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upola wrote on March 27th, 2025 at 12:48 pm:





Oh come on now, stop it, you don't really believe that

Well, what I believe is of secondary importance, but even courts have recognized such cases as damage in the past.

Either way, a company has a duty to protect your data. If they do this badly or - even worse - not at all, that's not okay and shouldn't just be accepted without comment.

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danny005
Elite

Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 01:37 pm CET#266
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So in the MasterCard Priceless Specials data leak a few years ago, only an Excel spreadsheet with personal data emerged. There was an offer from EuGD to get compensation. I joined them and got €300 paid out. I think the breach by Merkur Bets is even more serious here.

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Justus34
Visitor

Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 02:58 pm CET#267
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upola wrote on 27.03.2025 08:38:

Bad example because then I really have damage.


Not at all.


There are also rulings on data leaks, see e.g. here https://www.bundesgerichtshof.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2024/2024218.html or here
https://protectra.de/2024/10/17/eugh-aeussert-sich-erneut-zum-kontrollverlust-als-schaden/

It's okay if the loss of your data doesn't matter to you. But then let the others do it without assuming that they have a motivation.

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gamble1
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Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 11:13 pm CET#268
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I have just received two password reset emails from Jokerstar. It's strange that everyone affected by the Merkur leak is suddenly receiving emails like this one after the other. It seems that someone got hold of the data after all.

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frapi07
Elite

Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

27th Mar. 2025, at 11:25 pm CET#269
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gamble1 wrote on 27.03.2025 at 23:13: I have just received two password reset emails from Jokerstar. It's strange that suddenly everyone affected by the Merkur leak is gradually receiving such emails. It seems that someone got hold of the data after all.

plottwist: it's the hacker (just kidding)

but she actually stole €200 in crypto from an illegal casino She updated it 2 days after publication xD

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upola
Legend

Hacker attack on Merkur Bets

28th Mar. 2025, at 10:37 am CET#270
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Justus34 wrote on March 27th, 2025 at 2:58 pm:

Not at all.


There are also judgments on data leaks, see e.g. here https://www.bundesgerichtshof.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2024/2024218.html or here
https://protectra.de/2024/10/17/eugh-aeussert-sich-erneut-zum-kontrollverlust-als-schaden/

It's okay if the loss of your data doesn't matter to you. But then let the others do it without assuming that they have a motivation.


I let them do it, I only asked questions.
You have to have a motivation if you get involved in a lawsuit for a few euros (and that's all you're going to get).

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