-
Olli_Eule, on 31st Aug. 2024 at 10:12 pm CEST
-
Harald_B, on 31st Aug. 2024 at 09:32 pm CEST
-
Fofinha82, today at 02:55 am CEST
-
Langhans_innen, today at 01:33 am CEST
-
Daniel1988, today at 01:13 am CEST
-
T0uchTheSky, today at 12:34 am CEST
-
Langhans_innen, today at 12:27 am CEST
-
T0uchTheSky, today at 12:22 am CEST
-
R3hab, yesterday at 11:53 pm CEST
-
moralischverwerflich, yesterday at 10:55 pm CEST
-
danny005, yesterday at 10:43 pm CEST
-
Frankey, yesterday at 10:16 pm CEST
-
JJepsa96, yesterday at 08:56 pm CEST
-
LiQuidz, yesterday at 04:54 pm CEST
-
moralischverwerflich, yesterday at 04:42 pm CEST
-
Butterbrezel, yesterday at 03:15 pm CEST
-
btssultan, yesterday at 11:26 am CEST
-
Hightower, yesterday at 09:01 am CEST
-
Hanshanshans, on 6th Sep. 2024 at 10:33 pm CEST
-
gamble1, on 6th Sep. 2024 at 09:40 pm CEST
-
roccoammo11, on 6th Sep. 2024 at 08:03 pm CEST
-
Butterbrezel, on 6th Sep. 2024 at 07:15 pm CEST
-
gamble1, on 6th Sep. 2024 at 05:05 pm CEST
-
XXLEONIDASXX, on 6th Sep. 2024 at 02:55 pm CEST
-
xxjj19, on 6th Sep. 2024 at 02:14 pm CEST
-
gamble1, on 6th Sep. 2024 at 08:38 am CEST
German license and the payout ratios
Liked this post:
hustlehoff,
Jesss711,
krabbe666,
RebellYell
I've only been a silent reader so far and I like to check in here from time to time because gambling has been one of my favorite hobbies for about 20 years, whether online or offline 😊 and this is a great forum here!
But now I'd like to say something because I think the poor payout rates in German-licensed casinos are underestimated and it hurts my heart what GGL has done to us. Even if it doesn't sound so bad, it makes a huge difference whether a slot offers a payout ratio of >96% or just 88-90%.
Let's take an example:
100 euros starting capital, 1 euro spins, Slot machine without volatility, Rtp - 96%
Loss per spin - 4 cents. After 100 spins our balance is at 96 Eur, another 100 spins at 92 Eur and so on.
We could spin 2476 times until we reach 0.
Now with low Rtp:
100 euros starting capital, 1 euro spins,
Slot machine without volatility, Rtp - 88%
Loss per spin - 12 cents. After 100 spins our balance is at 88 Eur, another 100 spins at 76 Eur and so on.
We only spin 826 times and have reached 0.
Here the house edge of the casinos has not only been doubled but tripled! The playing time is on average 3 times less than it used to be in "illegal" casinos.
In addition, there is the volatility, e.g. Book of Dead with a 96% payout ratio can, if cold, rattle down quickly and you can't even manage 120 spins on 1 euro with 100 starting capital, and with a German license such phases will occur 3 times more frequently and those who play just as much as before will also lose 3 times as much money in the end. So much for player protection. At Tipico I have already seen that even only 84% Rtp is offered...incredible 😔🤦♂️
It can't be that all this is simply accepted and that people in Germany are forced to gamble online under the most unfair conditions in the world. "Illegal" casinos now even offer enhanced-Rtp versions of some game providers with
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Nobody has liked this post so far
You can only get them to change their minds if nobody plays anymore. 1 week would be enough.
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Nobody has liked this post so far
Everything you say is true...but I don't know anyone who has been forced to play there. Those who do it, do it voluntarily. The number of topics here that deal with nagging about German casinos will soon be in the four-digit range. You could just leave it alone and there would be no more fuss about it. If all problems in life could be solved that easily, it would be really great.
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Liked this post:
bob77,
hustlehoff,
mtorero,
RebellYell,
Saphira
On the one hand, you're right.
On the other hand, not everyone is willing to use wallets and credit cards to play (still) unnoticed in unlicensed casinos.
The fact that there is therefore no sensible regulated offer is an absolute nuisance.
"Just don't do it then" is simply not a satisfactory solution, either here or in other areas...
And yes, a lot has already been said on the subject, that's true.
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Nobody has liked this post so far
My statement is not meant in the sense of "then just leave it alone", but more like "find a way to do it differently if you don't like your current one" When I imagine how tens of thousands of people across Germany are once again using an offer that they actually find bad, you can't help but shake your head.
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Liked this post:
bob77,
hustlehoff,
Langhans_innen
I just don't see any other way for me.
It may be that some wallets etc. are considered safe here so that you can continue to play as usual.
Personally, I'd rather leave it alone, these are all actions for which I would get little understanding from my partner (generally for gambling, if there is also legal trouble or with the bank or something else, then it gets very tight😂).
Just as an example of why it's not always that easy, find a better way...
But never mind, on the other hand, it's just a game of chance, you should actually be grateful when you get out of the habit... 😂
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Liked this post:
Stromberg
all right, my dear Stromi I can definitely follow your chain of reasoning
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Nobody has liked this post so far
I just think it's better to complain too much because I find this topic very important. If nobody complains any more and everyone keeps on playing, the payout ratios will continue to fall (see Tipico) and then other providers, e.g. casinos, will follow suit. At some point, an RTP of 90% and below will become standard and no one will be able to experience any more gaming fun. And no, not everyone who goes to the casino and wants to have fun is an addict.
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Nobody has liked this post so far
That's right, but tens of thousands of people don't even know what they're getting into. They read 90% payout rate and think to themselves that it's not so bad, if I lose 1000 I will at some point win back at least 900 and if I'm lucky even more 🤦♂️ something like that...
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Liked this post:
Hanshanshans,
Saphira
unfortunately impossible but you could possibly achieve something with it..then we would probably be with the 4 second rule + 4 minute break and lugas becomes olaf that nobody wonders why the crap never works
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Liked this post:
Saphira
as I said, I also agree with your original statement, which is why we are obviously of the same opinion and both warn against continuing to play there diligently
In principle, the 90% is also correct. However, this is a purely statistical value that you would have to make many, many millions in the same slot to achieve. This is not feasible for the average consumer like us and is therefore a theory that is far removed from practice. However, the casinos cannot be blamed if the term RTP is often misinterpreted - neither by the Germans nor by others.
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Liked this post:
Langhans_innen
With dear Langhans, I sometimes don't know exactly whether he means something ironically or not 😄
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Nobody has liked this post so far
that wasn't meant ironically, but I can certainly understand your predicament. If my partner were to "talk me into it" with "I don't like it, stop it if possible, don't come home with a blocked account and certainly not with the police" on top of all the other stuff that comes with gambling, I might also "give in". However, this would probably mean that I would leave it completely, as my aversion to German casinos is so pronounced for reasons of hopelessness and lack of fun that it makes no sense for me
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Nobody has liked this post so far
But this massive reduction in comparison to the past does have a major impact on the game for the average consumer. I'm repeating myself, but here the average playing time is reduced to 1/3 and I just think that's extremely bad. I think you notice the difference very quickly when you play Book of Dead, for example, at 96% or 87%, you don't need millions of spins...✌️
PS: I see my first post hasn't even been completed ☺️🤦♂️
This post has been translated automatically
German license and the payout ratios
Nobody has liked this post so far
Yes, that's right.
I actually set all German stores to a 1 euro limit a few weeks ago.
But then unfortunately I folded again at two of them, I just felt like playing again....and it's not overly easy for me not to gamble at all to be honest...
At the moment I almost only play at bet at home, as they offer play n go at 91-92 percent...
The biggest rip-offs like Tipico Games never get anything again.... 84 percent play n go while elsewhere 91.xx is possible despite a license, that's just cheeky...
When I go to dux to test the new games for play money, which are withheld from us all, I could always cry... 😂
Well, I'll have to see... Actually, it's really not clear that you indirectly get a completely disproportionate tax imposed on you, get really upset and carry on, even though it wouldn't do any harm to stop, on the contrary 😂
This post has been translated automatically