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6th Jul. 2021, at 07:16 am CEST#31

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Mo1985 wrote on 07/06/2021 at 07:11: Because casinos have to pay taxes. What kind of - sorry - stupid question is that?

Tax liability has nothing to do with licenses and taxes have various providers also paid before, because you have to pay taxes in Germany even on illegal income.

Example: If you are caught with a KG of coke, you will not only get a criminal complaint, but also a tax assessment.

before the German treaty was not 5.3% ripped off from the players, and a stupid question is not, always these insults, I also do not insult you, first learn to have respect for each person.

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6th Jul. 2021, at 11:34 am CEST#32

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Herould wrote on 06.07.2021 at 07:16
before the German State Treaty was not ripped off 5.3% from the players,and a stupid question is not,always these insults,I also do not insult you,first learn to have respect for everyone.

The 5.3% are also a fixed value in the new law means the casinos of course in this form pass on

As for the taxes in DE is very well obliged to pay taxes on illegal things only it was just before the new law no fixed value of 5.3%

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6th Jul. 2021, at 03:55 pm CEST#33

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gamble1 wrote on 06.07.2021 at 11:34
The 5.3% is also a fixed value in the new law means the casinos of course pass it on in this form

As for the taxes in DE is very well obliged to pay taxes on illegal things only it was just before the new law no fixed value of 5.3%

Is not true in the case of the casino so again. The casinos are taxable in the country where they are based and have therefore already paid taxes in Malta. But here's in legal situations that are quite complicated and many things are not so clearly regulated. See Amazon, who pay 50€ taxes in Germany. I pay more VAT on a bulk purchase.

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6th Jul. 2021, at 04:00 pm CEST#34

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I also have a question for the GJ team and it's an elementary one.
How does it continue with you? Since 01.07 pay the Affiliate programs of the casinos yes no more commission for German customers.
Is this only for Malta or EU licensed casinos or also for casinos outside the EU eg Curacao.
If it applies only to Malta casinos you plan in the future to list serious Curacao casinos?

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6th Jul. 2021, at 04:38 pm CEST#35

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Falke wrote on 06.07.2021 at 15:55
In the case of the casino so again not true. The casinos are taxable in the country where they are based and have therefore already paid taxes in Malta. But here's in legal situations that are quite complicated and much is not so clearly regulated. See Amazon, who pay 50€ taxes in Germany. I pay more VAT on a bulk purchase.

What you are talking about is the corporate tax, for example the trade tax and corporate income tax. It is logical that in most cases these taxes are only paid in the country where you are based, otherwise you would be taxed twice and three times in every country where you offer services. But there are so-called double taxation agreements in the EU, so that just such a thing does not happen. But VAT, betting tax and now the new slots tax are of course not corporate taxes but must be paid separately in each country in which you offer. Amazon also pays their 19% VAT to the German government if the delivery address for an item is German. So effectively Amazon also pays millions in taxes (which ultimately the customer pays) to the German treasury, and not just 50€ lol😂 that's exactly how it has to be with the casinos too

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6th Jul. 2021, at 06:15 pm CEST#36

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Krabbenburger wrote on 06.07.2021 at 16:00: I also have a question to the GJ team and an elementary one.
How does it go on with you ? Since 01.07 pay the Affiliate programs of the casinos yes no more commission for German customers .
Is this only for Malta or EU licensed casinos or also for casinos outside the EU eg Curacao.
If it applies only to Malta casinos you plan in the future to list serious Curacao casinos?

Maybe I'm wrong, but as I understand it, only variable compensation systems, so after deposits, turnover, loss, etc., are no longer allowed.
Fixed remunerations for e.g. registrations, however, are. And I think that has always been GJ's preferred business model

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6th Jul. 2021, at 10:53 pm CEST#37

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Hello Julian.
Thanks for the answers.

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6th Jul. 2021, at 11:33 pm CEST#38

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Stromberg wrote on 06.07.2021 at 18:15
Maybe I'm wrong, but as I understand it, only variable compensation systems, i.e. according to deposits, sales, loss, etc., are no longer allowed.
Fixed compensation for e.g. registrations, on the other hand, is. And I think that has always been GJ's preferred business model.

You are right the CPA model seems to be still allowed.

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7th Jul. 2021, at 04:33 pm CEST#39

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Krabbenburger wrote on 06.07.2021 at 16:00: I also have a question to the GJ team and an elementary one.
How does it go on with you ? Since 01.07 pay the Affiliate programs of the casinos yes no more commission for German customers .
Is this only for Malta or EU licensed casinos or also for casinos outside the EU eg Curacao.
If it applies only to Malta casinos you plan in the future to list serious Curacao casinos?

Hello Krabbenburger,

I'll try to answer your questions.
Regarding the compensation / commission we receive from the casinos, honestly I was not aware that affiliate programs are not allowed to pay affiliates from 01/07/2021. To my knowledge this is misinformation.
As far as I read it in the guidelines, the affiliate program is no longer allowed to pay commission for newly recruited, already blocked players. However, this is often misunderstood and does not mean that we are no longer allowed to receive compensation.
Well then - so in conclusion all we can say about this - GambleJoe will continue to exist.
Whether the turnover rises, or falls - that does not play a large role for the time being.
Just as Stromberg mentioned above, a pure CPA compensation has always been the preferred compensation method for us anyway.
I.e. we usually receive a one-time commission from the casinos for each new registration of a player.
This way, we remain independent of the casinos and can exert some pressure on the casino if necessary (for example, if a casino behaves unfairly towards players), because we do not earn directly from the players' losses.
If we had a pure rev-share remuneration, it would understandably be more difficult for us to downgrade correspondingly bad casinos from a financial point of view.

As for Curacao casinos - it seems that the demand in the community for these gambling providers is relatively high.
Probably also from the aspect that some MGA casinos have to lower the RTP to remain businessable, now that the German authorities want to further tighten the "thumbscrews" with this gambling tax.
The gaming experience suffers not least from the partially lowered RTP, as well as from the 5-second rule for the individual spins.
Therefore, it is precisely due to this circumstance that we have actually been discussing the topic of "Curacao casinos" internally for a few days now.
However, we first collect information and get an overview of the market
Accordingly, however, we have not yet made a final decision whether we will include these casinos in the future.
For us, the community comes first and we do not want to make any rash decisions.

What about you guys? Do you have any positive experiences with Curacao casinos?
Can you give us a few examples of good casinos with this license?
Then we can take a look at the corresponding providers.

Many kind regards
Matthias

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7th Jul. 2021, at 05:18 pm CEST#40

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Matthias wrote on 07/07/2021 at 16:33
Hello Krabbenburger,

I'll try to answer your questions.
Regarding the compensation / commission we receive from the casinos, honestly I was not aware that Affiliate programs are not allowed to pay affiliates from 01/07/2021. To my knowledge this is misinformation.
As far as I read it in the guidelines, the affiliate program is no longer allowed to pay commission for newly recruited, already blocked players. However, this is often misunderstood and does not mean that we are no longer allowed to receive compensation.
Well then - so in conclusion all we can say about this - GambleJoe will continue to exist.
Whether the turnover rises, or falls - that does not play a large role for the time being.
Just as Stromberg mentioned above, a pure CPA compensation has always been the preferred compensation method for us anyway.
I.e. we usually receive a one-time commission from the casinos for each new registration of a player.
This way, we remain independent of the casinos and can exert some pressure on the casino if necessary (for example, if a casino behaves unfairly towards players), because we do not earn directly from the players' losses.
If we had a pure rev-share remuneration, it would understandably be more difficult for us to downgrade correspondingly bad casinos from a financial point of view.

As for Curacao casinos - it seems that the demand in the community for these gambling providers is relatively high.
Probably also from the aspect that some MGA casinos have to lower the RTP to remain businessable, now that the German authorities want to further tighten the "thumbscrews" with this gambling tax.
The gaming experience suffers not least from the partially lowered RTP, as well as from the 5-second rule for the individual spins.
Therefore, it is precisely due to this circumstance that we have actually been discussing the topic of "Curacao casinos" internally for a few days now.
However, we first collect information and get an overview of the market
Accordingly, however, we have not yet made a final decision whether we will include these casinos in the future.
For us, the community comes first and we do not want to make any rash decisions.

What about you guys? Do you have any positive experiences with Curacao casinos?
Can you give us a few examples of good casinos with this license?
Then we can take a look at the corresponding providers.

Many kind regards
Matthias

I find on the one hand good of you also that you take your time with it to make just no dangerous decisions on the other hand but the problem will remain what to do if a casino has no desire to pay?

Surely there are also super providers who strive and simply from the financial aspect out no MGA license or comparable have but also these know exactly them can no one what if they do not want and whether it is enough in such a case only (sorry for this is not meant pejoratively but seen in the context of an authority) Gamblejoe to be the people for the casino bring and have a large range is just questionable because you simply also do not have the power as an authority

And it is simply a fact that if someone can be sure nothing happens to him much more likely to cheat that you can sadly see the one or the other times here in the forum when a PSC is pulled off

Think there you have to really bring a lot of trust and just watch out that you do not grow over your head would be a shame

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