Fraud in Live Casinos [Live Blackjack, Live Roulette]?

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Fraud in Live Casinos [Live Blackjack, Live Roulette]?

22nd Sep. 2017, at 11:22 am CEST#11

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Hammerdammer wrote on 09/22/2017 at 11:17 am: Can and would love to. I just need a decent recording program to do it. Does anyone know of a free version that is halfway decent?

You can also download the current Camtasia Studio and just first test that you have only after rendering a watermark of the program in the middle should be enough for this purpose but

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22nd Sep. 2017, at 04:06 pm CEST#12

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TomWegas wrote on 09/22/2017 at 11:22 AM

You can also download the latest Camtasia Studio and just test that first you have only after rendering a watermark of the program in the middle should be enough for this purpose but.

Everything kalr. I will download it and record my sessions. Then all see what I mean

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22nd Sep. 2017, at 04:27 pm CEST#13

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There are certainly other, free recording tools. See here for example: https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/atube-catcher/

This is not a big deal and the article is no longer up to date, but for these purposes, this recording tool should also do.

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23rd Sep. 2017, at 09:54 am CEST#14

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Hammerdammer wrote on 21.09.2017 at 17:40

vivera365 wrote on 21.09.2017 at 08:39: Why should you cheat at Live BJ etc. and take big risks ? At the end of the day, the bills come into the casino coffers all by themselves.

Why do we play online games when you already know from the beginning that you can only lose in the long run?

The money lures. Just because a Provider is successful or doing very well financially, does not mean that he does not look everywhere for ways to earn more money. Every major business behaves the same way. Profit maximization is the name of the game these days.

Anyone who has not yet understood this has not understood humanity

I agreed with you on one point. If you want to get something in Blackjack, for example, you have to play short, fast hands. Never sit there for many hours and hope for a mega streak. That does not work. Roulette is no different

But I have to disagree with you on one point. I believed for a long time that supposedly serious providers like NetEnt do not need such a thing. Unfortunately, they have it but there greed, brain eats
With Evolution I have to look longer as it is there Verhältnisse. With NetEnt but it comes more and more to the fore

The dealers are also only human and blabbering very happy times from time to time. I experience that in almost every blackjack session that the Dealer accidentally says his result long before the drawing of the cards, because he is mistaken.

The dealer is not allowed to know the result beforehand. So why all this and how should it help the casino?

The only logical answer to this for me is that it is not the only thing (at least NetEnt Live Casino) cheats with

Quite strange here is also of course these numbered players who are seen from time to time and draw cards all the time at 18, 19 and 20 these busted then of course, but the dealer wins the hand

At Evolution, although no one has blabbed in my presence, but these numbers gamer also show up there strangely......

Oh yeah before I forget it: the dealer can probably be the last something for it, so you should not blame this.

Profit maximization is certainly a crucial point to stay in business - but I ask again the counter question whether it is worth the Risk? If, for example, at Evolution an obvious fraud or only the attempt could be conclusively proven, for example via a video recording of a player, and this would be spread via social media - it means the irretrievable end for this provider.

That with the players who suddenly appear (sometimes really consecutively numbered and without a real nickname), I have observed myself, however, and also reported here about it.I do not really know what to do with it.Maybe Daniel could let his contacts play and ask a provider or casino what it's all about.Would me really interressieren.Ich wundert it anyway that comes to such contributions here so little feedback from other users.Play you all only slots - or is there no interest in such topics?

I don't think the dealer knows his cards beforehand.he sees it maybe half a second before the players when he pulls the card over the reader.even if he knew it - so what ? The only thing he could do is maybe encourage players to double,split etc.That's up to each person.Basic strategy and self discipline is all I'm saying.
With Net End I honestly have no experience at all.Neither live nor with slots.For some reason I can not explain, I just do not like this provider.

Just turn the story around: I have also had it that I could win 15-20 hands in a row, partly with relatively high gspielten hands and totally abstruse card sequences (Start 6-10 + 5).When I ended the session is also no one jumped up and has accused me of fraud or delayed the payout to check something else.
2 days ago the following happened at Evolution : I'm playing Live BJ alone with the dealer.He is ne obercoole Socke and flicks the cards a lÃ Copperfield.Then comes what had to come : My 2.card slips from his fingers and flies off the table - out of my sight.Spielunterbrechung.Der Teamleiter comes picks up the card with pointed fingers and puts it back to me.It should now continue.I contradict via Live Chat and point out that the card fell off the table and I have not recognized them voher.Spielunterbrechung-short consultation.Result: Everything ok-sorry, sorry-game termination-refund of the bet-new game.As I said - I do not think they take any risk and want to see themselves confronted with fraud allegations.

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23rd Sep. 2017, at 10:59 am CEST#15

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vivera365 wrote on 09/23/2017 at 09:54 AM

That with the players who suddenly appear (sometimes really consecutively numbered and without a real nickname), but I myself have already observed-and also reported here about it.I also do not really know what to do with it.Maybe Daniel could let his contacts play and ask at a Provider or casino what it has to do with it.Would me really interressieren.Mich wundert it anyway that comes to such contributions here so little feedback from other users.Play you all only slots - or is there no interest in such topics ?!

I personally play only slots. Black Jack, Roulette and all other Games of chance I have no interest - slots are enough. But our texter who will start with us from 2nd of October (in 9 days) plays everything and is also for this reason an enrichment for GambleJoe

Of course I can write to some casinos about this topic, but I don't think they know about it. In my experience, casino managers have little technical understanding and know relatively little about how the games work. For example, I used to make inquiries about how slots work in Online Casinos or how slots work in general and got only superficial answers, as you can sometimes read on the operators' websites. Also, none of these managers could give me any sources of in-depth information. The people know how to do marketing, what the legal situation looks like and how to make money and count.

If, then I would have to ask Evolution Gaming & Co. directly. However, I have no better contacts to Evolution Gaming or the game manufacturers than any Otto normal gamer. But what kind of answer should come there? If everything there is serious, they will say that these are normal players who just give themselves numbers. And if they should actually shoot something, they would certainly not tell me that they shoot something there

From a technical point of view, I could imagine that players with consecutive numbers are players who have not given themselves a nickname. The system then assigns numbers to those players in that case. That would be conclusive for me, although I do not play live Blackjack and can hardly understand the accusations of fraud.

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23rd Sep. 2017, at 11:15 am CEST#16

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Regarding the number, I'm pretty sure I remember playing in casinos where you were assigned a longer number instead of your own nickname. But I can no longer say where that was the case

Is that possibly the explanation for it? Then I would still wonder the bust behavior of these players that Hammerdammer has described.

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23rd Sep. 2017, at 04:15 pm CEST#17

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TomWegas wrote on 23.09.2017 at 11:15: So regarding the number I think I can remember pretty sure that I have also played in casino where you got instead of an own nickname simply a longer number assigned. But I can no longer say where that was the case

Is that possibly the explanation for it? Then I would still wonder the bust behavior of these players that Hammerdammer has described.

As I said, I have observed this myself: a player has a pretty good run (high hands - won several in a row), then suddenly 2 or more (usually 2) of these "numbers" appear, usually placing themselves in front of and behind the player in question.The then play pretty funny hands - draw at 17,18 against 4,5,6 etc and take so enweder the player a needed 9,10,11 or protect the Dealer from the bust.Can all be Einblidung, coincidence.Komisch to watch it was but already.Übersteigt my imagination ....;)

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23rd Sep. 2017, at 04:32 pm CEST#18

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Daniel wrote on 09/23/2017 at 10:59 AM

vivera365 wrote on 09/23/2017 at 09:54 AM

That with the players who suddenly appear (sometimes really consecutively numbered and without a real nickname), I've observed myself but also already-and reported here about it.I also do not really know what to do with it.Maybe Daniel could let his contacts play and ask at a Provider or casino what it has to do with it.Would me really interressieren.Mich wundert it anyway that comes to such contributions here so little feedback from other users.Play you all only slots - or is there no interest in such topics?!

I personally play only slots. Black Jack, Roulette and all other Games of chance I have no interest - slots are enough. But our texter who will start with us from 2nd of October (in 9 days) plays everything and is also for this reason an enrichment for GambleJoe

Of course I can write to some casinos about this topic, but I don't think they know about it. In my experience, casino managers have little technical understanding and know relatively little about how the games work. For example, I used to make inquiries about how slots work in Online Casinos or how slots work in general and got only superficial answers, as you can sometimes read on the operators' websites. Also, none of these managers could give me any sources of in-depth information. The people know how to do marketing, what the legal situation looks like and how to make money and count.

If, then I would have to ask Evolution Gaming & Co. directly. However, I have no better contacts to Evolution Gaming or the game manufacturers than any Otto normal gamer. But what kind of answer should come there? If everything there is serious, they will say that these are normal players who just give themselves numbers. And if they should actually shoot something, they would certainly not tell me that they shoot something there

From a technical point of view, I could imagine that players with consecutive numbers are players who have not given themselves a nickname. The system then assigns numbers to those players in that case. That would be conclusive for me, although I do not play live Blackjack and can hardly understand the accusations of fraud.

Well, I'm glad that here with your texter finally a broadening of horizons takes place .
Of course, the providers will not bring a satisfactory explanation - it is and remains just a conspicuousness about which one can and may argue.I am not, however, your opinion when you say that most likely in the live area and not in the slots is manipulated.What is easier to manipulate than a machine, electronics or a computer program ?! In the live area are too many "real" people involved who would know immediately what is going on here.What do they do with them? With money until all days to silence bring? In the desert disappear? (Joke) What may earn such a Groupier/Dealer? Will certainly not be lush - the danger is much too great that he becomes a chatterbox and smells the big story.I think if & if cheated then with the slots.

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24th Sep. 2017, at 02:14 am CEST#19

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Let me explain. I'm sorry for my previous muddy statements. Unfortunately, you can do little with it

I can only repeat myself on one point. I have observed this behavior at NetEnt. Not at Evolution. I said above that I will observe it, but have not yet seen with this Provider

I do not want to impute anything to NetEnt. I am simply sharing facts that I have seen with my own eyes

So to the dealers: I am aware that it does not help the Dealer to know the cards beforehand. (I have also described above) I said that if one already resorts to such means, it must also give others or it is not to be excluded

I explain now times on the basis of some examples how I mean that with the promise of the dealers

Example 1: The dealer has a 4 lying there and gives me a 7. Then the dealer gives me a 9 (so 16) and says: now we have 17
I think to myself: Okey. Maybe he added up my cards wrong. But then his 4 is suddenly joined by a 2 and an ace. Zack there we have the described 17. Well, one can argue about it, because the dealer is a human being and can simply err. I always thought so, even if this has now happened more than 50 times

Example 2: Everyone who is familiar with Live Blackjack knows that there are dealers who say things like this in complete sentences. For example: If I have a 5 and the dealer has a jack, the dealer says: Your 5 against the jack of the dealer. He repeats this again when the other cards are played

So now the example: The dealer gives me a 9 and has a 3. Then he adds an ace for me and the dealer says in the whole set: your 20 against the dealer's 21. Now I think to myself: What 21? Then he quickly adds a 2, a 6 and a king, and he has the aforementioned 21

One can think here again: Certainly only a stupid provided. But the dealer does it again a few rounds later. I get a jack and the dealer gets a 6. Then I get a 6 and the dealer again in the full set: your 16 against the dealer's 17 where you again think: which 17? Zack there comes an ace in addition and he has the 17...... . This has happened easily more than 40 times

To the number players. Basically I don't care if some players have no understanding of Blackjack and just want to play and draw until the doctor comes. Only as soon as one starts to take away the cards I need or to protect the dealer from busting (as described by Vivera) then it disturbs me violently, because it directly affects me and my money goes down the drain. These players usually only show up when one or more players have a very good luck streak and the dealer e.g. almost only busts. They usually sit at the beginning and at the end of a table (mostly in pairs, sometimes in threes)
I also noticed this at Evolution. It is more than strange that when I have a king and the player in front of me still draws at 20. The cool thing is that he gets an ace or picture card that I would have needed and then I get a small card and lose the round. If I still get a good card, of course, the second is ready and also draws again nicely before the dealer, so that the dealer suddenly gets a nice 5 or 6 to his 15 instead of the jack before, with which the player has gebusted of course

I hardly believe that there are real players who just show up at the big providers and throw their money out, because they are interested in seeing others lose (including themselves) and the casino (provider) win

This, for example, is a way for the casino (provider) to make more money without being able to prove anything personally, since they are random players. I think this is just one of many ways to maximize your win and still be extremely respectable

Personally, I am also interested in why there is so little feedback. Are there no live players here on Gamblejoe or has no one interested in something like that? That really makes you think

I hope I have brought it across so far understandably

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24th Sep. 2017, at 08:25 am CEST#20

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I personally only play slots and most will but your article is already understandable and it also smells like fraud only how will you prove it there you will have no chance, always where a lot of money is in the game will try to get even more (greed).

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