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Online Casinos in general: First wins, then only losses (Page 4)

Topic created on 03rd Nov. 2018 | Page: 4 of 6 | Answers: 58 | Views: 22,083
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First wins, then only losses

6th Nov. 2018, at 11:07 pm CET#31
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Crankyx3 wrote on 06/11/2018 at 22:20: Moin,
i'm new to the forum and as a gambler find it great here and wanted to have my say.

Personally, I am not the online casino fan and prefer to play in gambling houses / casinos for the above reasons I also do not believe in the random principle....

First you win, you think "cool, better than in real-life gambling"
Then you just lose until the top win is negated.
Why do I think that?
Not because players lose all the time (I know it too well)
But why do all online players win on the 1st Deposit (latest 2nd deposit)?

I'll think about it again, if here one comes to the word that tells me he has not earned at the 1st deposit (latest 2nd deposit) a high win - meant are really only the very first deposits in the very first online casino... (who can still remember) 😋

Greetings Finn

I lost on most of my first deposits, even the second ones were not always crowned with success. Only much later I got wins and they have meanwhile brought me back into the plus, I really spun for a long time and looked how the RTP behaves after over 5000 spins it is usually already very close to the stated RTP value. Some slots took longer, but I have never been disappointed by the RTP and the law of large numbers. Right now I'm watching Moon Princess, RTP after 5000 spins is at 77% (worked its way up from 40%). I estimate that at 10,000 spins I will at least reach the 85%.

Other than feelings I have the raw numbers and can speak for myself that at least on slots no Manipulation takes place (in most casinos). However, the games sometimes look very rigged by chance e.g. when free spins ran extremely bad. Had at Jack and the Beanstalk 0.07 € in the free spins and I still had 2 € on the account and thought now comes the comeback... but was already very disappointing for me. And you always have to remember that it can also run extremely bad. I have days on which I could almost puke, so bad are the free spins. I have today 70 € "lost" (20 € deposited and 150 € paid out and rest to play on it left) because with 500 spins Northern Sky no single time free spins came and yes a guarantee that the come there is also not. Of course I have to say that I had 3x free spins in 15 spins before. If I leave money on it, then purely to entertain me - I then play a lot of different slots (especially new slots that I do not know). The money is then usually gone and so I book it in my head, secretly I hope of course for the ultra big win.

To the Spielos, you will laugh, there wanted to tell me really he would be watched by employees and then switch his win down if he wins too much... I find the offline play has advantages such as instant payout, no funny bonus rules, no long Verification or money hold because of pseudo "money laundering laws" that some procedures do not need. You go in, play and can cash out if it works. But then I would recommend a casino, I can't see a Spielo from the inside anymore - as a non-smoker and someone who doesn't like small talk it's hell for me. If one wins, strange humans ask one whether one does not want to divide its luck...to the luck now only 2x occurred however I was also not much more often in the Spielo and the smoke disturbed me nevertheless very much. There were of course also nice people, had seen that someone has forgotten money and gave it to him then he pressed me a 50 € bill in the hand - has probably won well in the evening or was drunk?

Anyway, I think that I first keep me out of such threads, meanwhile you know my opinion on this subject (that slots in most casinos with a valid license are not manipulated, but the casinos in other ways but "legal" cheat).

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Crankyx3
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First wins, then only losses

6th Nov. 2018, at 11:23 pm CET#32
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i really just meant the very first Deposit in your first casino....
Have never heard of a beginning "eating phase" 😅

If that's what you meant, I misunderstood.

Greetings Finn

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Ronnt
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First wins, then only losses

9th Nov. 2018, at 11:02 pm CET#33
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The pattern is broken andzwar bei Videoslots

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Azura
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First wins, then only losses

10th Nov. 2018, at 12:26 am CET#34
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Again and again, doubts arise as to whether Online Casinos are doing the right thing. I think you should ask yourself a completely different question. Casino or game manufacturer? I bet on the latter. We know that casinos forward directly to the game manufacturer. I see the storage of wins as problematic. For example, at Playson (here the win of the previous session is displayed with each login). If you have won a large sum here, you will hardly receive or win free spins again in the new session).

I have played for fun mainly at Quickspin Slots in demo mode. Mostly high stakes per spin (20,30,100€).credit 5000€.

The amazing thing: "pretty much in every new session came only with a remaining balance of 1500 and 2000€" Free spins or higher wins around the 1000 /1500€. So to speak, the balance was pushed here again something.

Striking also the wins with remaining balance around the 30/50€. Also here significantly better wins

I have decided for me, never again to play with high credit. I prefer to Deposit 4x500 and play completely down instead of 2000 in one sum. I otherwise always have the impression of the slot has no stress to pay out wins because yes enough credit available





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Mario49
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First wins, then only losses

10th Nov. 2018, at 01:14 am CET#35
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Falko wrote on 04.11.2018 at 18:16: I like to play at sunmaker and sunnyplayer the Merkur Slots with Vpn change.Until the month of April, I regularly get to the slots wins, so that I have also made several payouts every month.Since then, these slots are dead and no matter which of Merkur I play, the eat there only everything down.

I played until October regularly at Sunnmaker but now I have given up there because I have only lost. Had received for my birthday 50 € from them and paid 50 and had played Book of Dead with 1 € stake the 100 € were gone no free spins nothing now I'm fed up there. Have then switched to Rizk and already won after 50 € Deposit 700 € funny

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Zwischenmeister
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First wins, then only losses

10th Nov. 2018, at 10:21 am CET#36
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Just as a contribution for general statistical thoughts:

First Deposit after registering at the casino (max 20 Euro deposit) and the maximum balance reached:

Betvictor: to just under 1,300 high, since then with no deposit more than 50% beyond deposit

Dasistcasino: to a good 1,200 high, since then never again even a single cent over deposit

Casinopop: to over 5.000 high, in addition still the first place in the casino race with 700 euro and since then never again more than 5 euro in the plus

Tonybet: up to 1.800, since then never more than 10 Euro plus {but were so far only two more deposits)

Omnia: to 2,300 high, then once again managed to get from 20 to a good 60, all other deposits only eaten

Sunmaker: (here it was only the third or fourth Einahkung, with the previous ones but partly also won and 1x bissl paid out) Jackpot win at Empire Fortune over 4k. Since then I can deposit what I want, in 5-10 minutes it is gone

There were two more, but I would have to ask my memory more intensively. No matter. In contrast, perhaps the following:

Rizk: paid in umpteen times, never got out over deposit +20%

Mrgreen: I never play again, certainly two Dozen deposits between 10 and 30 euros and was never more than 3 euros in the plus, and that maybe with 3 deposits, everything else only ⬇️

The absolute hardest is GUTS: certainly deposited so about ten times. In various games and attempts never come out even a f**king cent over deposit.

But what I have really NEVER experienced, is that I in nem OC in the beginning I could not really win anything, sometime later ever had such huge wins as in the above-mentioned at the first deposit. And that is exactly what makes me wonder. I have been lucky and had good runs, but they were all after a first deposit. Sure, I've also won something else and also paid out, but not SO.

So, I know what comes now, all coincidence bla bla. Yes. Maybe it is. But maybe not. I don't know, you don't know. We might as well discuss whether there is a God or not.

I find that strange in any case. Especially since I am now also not the only one that goes like this...

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Stromberg
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First wins, then only losses

10th Nov. 2018, at 10:39 am CET#37
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Intermediate Master wrote on 11/10/2018 at 10:21 AM

So, I know what's coming now, all coincidence blah blah. Yes. Maybe. Then again, maybe it isn't. I don't know, you don't know. We might as well discuss whether there is a God or not.


I don't agree with you about the wins at the beginning, because I've had other experiences.
But as far as the quote is concerned. I find it also so of idle that if it is about the topic Manipulation, endlessly with always the same arguments is discussed, without it is also only at all possible to convince the other.
There are good arguments that there is no manipulation, and I can also understand if you have your doubts, simply because the whole market is already very opaque for the customer.
But the discussion will not lead to a result. Just as you say, how the discussion about God leads to nothing, if one believes in it, the other not

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Simbda
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First wins, then only losses

10th Nov. 2018, at 10:50 am CET#38
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Intermediate Master wrote on 11/10/2018 at 10:21 am: Just a post for general statistical thoughts:

Initial Deposit after registering at the casino (max 20 euro deposit) and the maximum balance reached:

Betvictor: up to just under 1,300, since then with no deposit more than 50% over deposit

Dasistcasino: to a good 1,200 high, since then never again even a single cent over deposit

Casinopop: to over 5.000 high, in addition still the first place in the casino race with 700 euro and since then never again more than 5 euro in the plus

Tonybet: up to 1.800, since then never more than 10 Euro plus {but were so far only two more deposits)

Omnia: to 2,300 high, then once again managed to get from 20 to a good 60, all other deposits only eaten

Sunmaker: (here it was only the third or fourth Einahkung, with the previous ones but partly also won and 1x bissl paid out) Jackpot win at Empire Fortune over 4k. Since then I can deposit what I want, in 5-10 minutes it is gone

There were two more, but I would have to ask my memory more intensively. No matter. In contrast, perhaps the following:

Rizk: paid in umpteen times, never got out over deposit +20%

Mrgreen: I never play again, certainly two Dozen deposits between 10 and 30 euros and was never more than 3 euros in the plus, and that maybe with 3 deposits, everything else only ⬇️

The absolute hardest is GUTS: certainly deposited so about ten times. In various games and attempts never come out even a f**king cent over deposit.

But what I have really NEVER experienced, is that I in nem OC in the beginning I could not really win anything, sometime later ever had such huge wins as in the above-mentioned at the first deposit. And that is exactly what makes me wonder. I have been lucky and had good runs, but they were all after a first deposit. Sure, I've also won something else and also paid out, but not SO.

So, I know what comes now, all coincidence bla bla. Yes. Maybe it is. But maybe not. I don't know, you don't know. We might as well discuss whether there is a God or not.

I find that strange in any case. Especially since I'm not the only one who feels this way...

The casinos are there to bring in wins not for nothing make the billions in profits. Why are there all the trips jakopts or whatever that is your money what you have paid in. The small stuff you win is laughable. If it is about 100000 de Euros then they will find something to not pay out. Why is advertising, etc. operated to make you believe that you can win. No matter if real or fake. Play only to lose and be happy when you have won something.


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K****t

First wins, then only losses

10th Nov. 2018, at 11:01 am CET#39
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Intermediate Master wrote on 11/10/2018 at 10:21 am: Just a post for general statistical thoughts:

First Deposit after registering at the casino (max 20 euro deposit) and the maximum balance reached:

Betvictor: up to just under 1,300, since then with no deposit more than 50% over deposit

Dasistcasino: to a good 1,200 high, since then never again even a single cent over deposit

Casinopop: to over 5.000 high, in addition still the first place in the casino race with 700 euro and since then never again more than 5 euro in the plus

Tonybet: up to 1.800, since then never more than 10 Euro plus {but were only two more deposits so far)

Omnia: to 2,300 high, then once again managed to get from 20 to a good 60, all other deposits only eaten

Sunmaker: (here it was only the third or fourth Einahkung, with the previous ones but partly also won and 1x bissl paid out) Jackpot win at Empire Fortune over 4k. Since then I can deposit what I want, in 5-10 minutes it is gone

There were two more, but I would have to ask my memory more intensively. No matter. In contrast, perhaps the following:

Rizk: paid in umpteen times, never got out over deposit +20%

Mrgreen: I never play again, certainly two Dozen deposits between 10 and 30 euros and was never more than 3 euros in the plus, and that maybe with 3 deposits, everything else only ⬇️

The absolute hardest is GUTS: certainly deposited so about ten times. In various games and attempts never come out even a f**king cent over deposit.

But what I have really NEVER experienced, is that I in nem OC in the beginning I could not really win anything, sometime later ever had such huge wins as in the above-mentioned at the first deposit. And that is exactly what makes me wonder. I have been lucky and had good runs, but they were all after a first deposit. Sure, I've also won something else and also paid out, but not SO.

So, I know what comes now, all coincidence bla bla. Yes. Maybe it is. But maybe not. I don't know, you don't know. We might as well discuss whether there is a God or not.

I find that strange in any case. Especially since I'm not the only one who feels that way...

I feel the same way.
With the exception of Royal Panda, where I came only after umpteen deposits on almost 3000 euros. Then again on 1800
Furthermore sunmaker, where I had two times something over 1000 euros on the account. However, never more than a maximum of 80 cents in free spins, for which you have to deposit.

Oh yes, GUTS... For me just as a racer, as Betsson. Never won anything that would have been worthy of a payout, that is: If at all times, then under 100 euros.

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upola
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First wins, then only losses

10th Nov. 2018, at 11:18 am CET#40
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Intermediate Master wrote on 11/10/2018 at 10:21 am: Just a post for general statistical thoughts:

Initial Deposit after registering at the casino (max 20 euro deposit) and the maximum balance reached:

Betvictor: up to just under 1,300, since then with no deposit more than 50% over deposit

Dasistcasino: to a good 1,200 high, since then never again even a single cent over deposit

Casinopop: to over 5.000 high, in addition still the first place in the casino race with 700 euro and since then never again more than 5 euro in the plus

Tonybet: up to 1.800, since then never more than 10 Euro plus {but were only two more deposits so far)

Omnia: to 2,300 high, then once again managed to get from 20 to a good 60, all other deposits only eaten

Sunmaker: (here it was only the third or fourth Einahkung, with the previous but partly also won and 1x bissl paid out) Jackpot win at Empire Fortune over 4k. Since then I can deposit what I want, in 5-10 minutes it is gone

There were two more, but I would have to ask my memory more intensively. No matter. In contrast, perhaps the following:

Rizk: paid in umpteen times, never got out over deposit +20%

Mrgreen: I never play again, certainly two Dozen deposits between 10 and 30 euros and was never more than 3 euros in the plus, and that maybe with 3 deposits, everything else only ⬇️

The absolute hardest is GUTS: certainly deposited so about ten times. In various games and attempts never come out even a f**king cent over deposit.

But what I have really NEVER experienced, is that I in nem OC in the beginning I could not really win anything, sometime later ever had such huge wins as in the above-mentioned at the first deposit. And that is exactly what makes me wonder. I have been lucky and had good runs, but they were all after a first deposit. Sure, I've also won something else and also paid out, but not SO.

So, I know what comes now, all coincidence bla bla. Yes. Maybe it is. But maybe not. I don't know, you don't know. We might as well discuss whether there is a God or not.

I find that strange in any case. Especially since I'm not the only one who feels this way...

You have won 16.5K in your enumeration, I do not know if you can complain.

It is logical that you can not only win.

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