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Online Casinos in general: First always BigWins and then...? (Page 3)

Topic created on 30th Mar. 2022 | Page: 3 of 5 | Answers: 42 | Views: 9,654
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First always BigWins and then...?

12th Apr. 2022, at 12:48 am CEST#21
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And your example over 6 months each 200 euros Deposit and 1000 back, where then a loss of 200 euros remains, that is then still something with which a player can be very satisfied. The balances are there certainly with the vast majority still very much worse.

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Anonym

First always BigWins and then...?

12th Apr. 2022, at 02:43 pm CEST#22
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Seaweed wrote on 11.04.2022 at 23:37: Here is another "nice" example: If we now assume (purely fictitiously) that the average addict deposits about 200 EUR per month and wins a total of 1000 EUR in the long run (for example, within 6 months) - then he has lost (oh, miracle) 200 EUR.

Let's say that this example refers to some (in the German-speaking area) extremely popular casino and let's assume a number of 20,000 players - then these are in total stakes of 24,000,000 EUR (24 million EUR) - let's further assume that each player wins 1000 EUR over this period (6 months), the online casino is left with an amount or win of 4,000,000 EUR (4 million EUR)

However, the amounts are just a thought experiment and probably vary extremely. One player deposits 100 EUR a month, the other 5000 EUR. And everyone hopes for the BigWin (or is addicted to gambling), otherwise he would not gamble.

Hm, funny. I have the suspicion that it is extremely lucrative to operate an online casino, to advertise for it on TV (alternatively GambleJoe or Askgamblers) and to attract as many players as possible. Almost a goldmine..

Thanks for reading!

What do you actually want to achieve with this post? Actually, we all realize that the casino always wins in the long run. The RTP is inevitable. This is not a secret...

The gambling industry makes tens of billions in sales and wins, and the exact figures are always published as well. For both the casinos and their partners, it is indeed a lucrative business.

The individual player is perhaps by a (relatively) fat win (shortly after registration and after the first, second or third deposit) only times nicely angefixt... The whole Boni and other reward programs serve also only the addiction maintenance or the cash flow of the providers. Everyone knows that after a certain period of time, if he is honest with himself.

With a bonus, the probability of a win increases many times over. The more spins you can make, the higher the probability of a win. Therefore, the offers for a player are always limited. Because if you were to play exclusively with Deposit Bonuses, you would win in the long run.

https://die-webzeitung.de/stuttgart/2020/11/12/was-ist-casino-bonus-hunting-und-ist-es-verboten/

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moralischverwerflich
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First always BigWins and then...?

12th Apr. 2022, at 03:42 pm CEST#23
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Royal777 wrote on 12.04.2022 at 14:43

https://die-webzeitung.de/stuttgart/2020/11/12/was-ist-casino-bonus-hunting-und-ist-es-verboten/

What a bullshit report 😅

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Anonym

First always BigWins and then...?

12th Apr. 2022, at 03:59 pm CEST#24
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Milo1 wrote on 04/12/2022 at 3:42 pm
What a bullshit report 😅

Why?

You don't need a masters in math to be able to calculate this. For example, you can also find at casino guru the corresponding formula with millions of simulations. A link is not possible because of foreign advertising ( Google: bonus hunting guru). The only point of criticism in the simulations would be the selected stake of 1€, this stake is much too high and gives a wrong result in my opinion.

Every player who permanently uses a bonus will win in the long run. Of course, this also requires discipline

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moralischverwerflich
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First always BigWins and then...?

12th Apr. 2022, at 04:10 pm CEST#25
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Royal777 wrote on 04/12/2022 at 3:59 pm
Why?

You don't need a master in math to be able to calculate that. For example, you can also find at Casino-Guru the corresponding formula with various simulations. A link is not possible because of foreign advertising ( Google: Bonus-Hunting Guru )

Every player who uses a bonus permanently will win in the long run. Of course, this also requires discipline

Is only my opinion... Should not be a criticism towards you. the time of good Bonuses is long gone. I've been playing without bonuses for a few years now and I'm definitely better off with them. Now and then used one, but only at Platin then when the Wager Max was 20x. You could at least still realistically create without hours to daddeln
But so everyone has his opinion and his thinking ..

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Anonym

First always BigWins and then...?

12th Apr. 2022, at 04:35 pm CEST#26
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Milo1 wrote on 04/12/2022 at 16:10
Is just my opinion... Should not be a criticism towards you. the time of good Bonuses is long gone. I've been playing without bonuses for a few years now and definitely fare better. Once in a while used one, but only at Platin back when the wager max was 20x. You could at least still realistically create without hours to daddeln
But so everyone has just his opinion and his thinking ..

Fits already! It could well be that you have other insights than me on this subject

Actually you are also right, this is also confirmed in the simulations of Guru. In the past, the requirements were lower than today....

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slotliebe89
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First always BigWins and then...?

12th Apr. 2022, at 05:42 pm CEST#27
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I like the following point from the above article best:

4. When you have lost everything, you absolutely have to keep playing.

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Anonym

First always BigWins and then...?

12th Apr. 2022, at 06:30 pm CEST#28
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slotliebe wrote on 04/12/2022 at 17:42: I like the following point from the above article best:

4. If you have lost everything, you absolutely have to keep playing.


Fits the editor of this "web newspaper" after all...

SchauMedia is a "press service with PR agency"..

Disguised as a newspaper, there is a PR agency at work, who write any crap for cash

Thank you for this serious article.

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Butterbrezel
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First always BigWins and then...?

12th Apr. 2022, at 07:09 pm CEST#29
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I didn't even read your feedback from that time.

I don't like generalizations, so I don't think "forum for gambling addicts" is ok either. GJ is a cool community.
I also think that many here have a gambling problem, but no one can pinpoint the exact percentage.
There are also users here who have openly announced that they no longer play, but are still registered here.

The people with a gambling problem, including you, do not have the problem voluntarily
They play voluntarily, but they don't have the problem voluntarily.
It is caused by some individual reasons.
If you have recognized your problem with gambling, want to stop it and manage to do it, respect.
That's how it should be

I think gambling, now related to casino, can be fun despite the very probable money losses.
Example, Spielo. There one goes then with nem friend or 2 there, turns with 20,00 EUR and is in good company.
And if you go out, in the Spielo, you also meet new people. At the online casino rather not.
And if the 20.00 EUR in the Spielo are gone according to plan, it was still fun if you're out with the right people.
And if you're a gambler like me, you just leave 30 euros out, are happy about the 10.00 euros and get yourself a kebab or something.

But yes, these casino things can be quite triggering, which is why there are so many gambling problems in this area like nowhere else
The big wins are especially the ones that can trigger.

It always depends on the individual. As with everything in this colorful world.

The casino business itself is pretty nasty, especially in OCs
I also think (without proof) that the slots have an AI and the player is controlled in that respect
It is coincidence, but controlled coincidence. A paradox in itself, but fits just so.
Therefore, I also suspect that the "new" player is hooked with wins.
Personally, I am only registered at 3 OCs. It was however with all 3 in such a way that I won at the beginning,
and then almost only lost. Last year there was a single payout in the OC.

But you have to say that at OC + Spielo budget moves at max. 200 EUR per year.
You can see from the numbers that I am not the reference value

Personally, I am the sports betting gambler and here known for pedantic accuracy, overview and money management.
I know that this makes only a few and therefore the exception, but this could theoretically be applied to the casino.
What is for me 200,00 EUR, is for others maybe 2000,00 EUR
The important thing is that it is fun and that you have the numbers under control.
And if it is no longer fun, but as with you, it harms, it is exactly right to stop.
The expected value of casino games is always negative in the long run.

Then keep a diary in this thread. Every month you have managed not to,
not gamble at all, is a success.

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moralischverwerflich
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First always BigWins and then...?

12th Apr. 2022, at 08:26 pm CEST#30
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slotliebe wrote on 04/12/2022 at 17:42: I like the following point from the above article best:

4. If you have lost everything, you absolutely must keep playing.


That's why I meant bullshit 😅

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