Online Casinos in general: Federal states want to monitor gamblers (Page 3)

Zockertyp89 wrote on 11/14/2019 08:36 AM
I had already asked in another thread:

Can someone show me something official that confirms that gambling is legal in Germany due to EU law ?

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Stromberg wrote on 11/14/2019 08:52 PM
That was the same thread, one page before
And I don't think who can.

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Zockertyp89 wrote on 13/11/2019 at 20:25
Can anyone actually show me something official that confirms that casinos are legal in Germany or the EU according to EU law ?

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Loco187 wrote at 09:18 on 14 Nov 2019
What the casinos are stubbornly referring to is this:

By the prohibition of Online Casinos from Germany, the providers to other EU states such as Malta or Gibraltar from. where online gambling is regulated by law down to the smallest detail receive so a gambling license. Due to the membership of these states in the EU, European law (which is superior to German law) stipulates in this case that a Provider of goods and services on the Internet, if it has a valid license in one member state, may also operate without obstacles in all other member states of the European un ion. Thus, if the German state were to take legal action against online casino offers for Germany and German gamblers, it would face countless lawsuits in the EU Court of Justice, which players and casinos would surely win.

But in which code of law this is to be found and whether the casinos are really in the right with it, I have no idea. I am also not a lawyer. In any case, they argue with the EU right to " freedom of services ." I'm sure google can tell you more.

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Zockertyp89 wrote on 11/14/2019 09:39 AM
However, gambling is up to the states. Each state can regulate it themselves.

Furthermore, this also means that in the end no German licensing is necessary, since everything seems to be regulated by EU law anyway. One would actually only need to maintain the status quo.

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Christoph wrote on 14.11.2019 at 08:45: Matthias once showed me the Bild article. I must confess that it does not really contain anything new. That a monthly limit for sports betting is coming, is at the latest known since March 2019, but was also before part of the gambling treaty (but was never enforced, because the award of the 20 sports betting licenses was stopped).

And that a "limit monitoring file" must then be introduced, in which the necessary data is stored, is actually only logical

According to the bill, the first name, last name, birth name, birthday, place of residence, the amount of the Deposit limit set by the player, the date the limit was set, the amount and date of the deposits made and the total amount of the deposits will be stored there.

I understand that it is a lot of data and it is certainly not unproblematic for privacy reasons either. It is also questionable whether the system is so secure that the data cannot be accessed by third parties. With regard to welfare recipients, students (Bafög) and debtors, it is questionable for me so far whether the data may be forwarded to the relevant authorities - I have not read anything about this so far.

How else would the establishment of cross-provider limits be accomplished? I don't want to defend the bill, but some users had described here again and again that they would welcome blocks for all providers and also limits for all providers, because now they can simply go to another gambling Provider without limit settings and continue gambling there.

Surely the law will rather deter high rollers, but so far it is a draft that is being discussed, maybe some bookmakers will still make sure that there can be exceptions

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Jojuaax3 wrote on 11/14/2019 10:22 AM
Well, I think that something will still change, after all, it's also about tax revenue. Per year in Germany alone about 1.76mrd € are turned over with Online Casinos (as of 2017, with a strong upward trend). That now stood to run past the state.
The state would probably like to participate in the sales of the casinos
Especially since the money would flow directly into the coffers of the states, since gambling is a state matter.

For me, the whole thing is just a matter of time until we have our own regulation (again).

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