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Kleinkariert

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13th Nov. 2019, at 09:21 pm CET#11

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MisterL wrote on 11/13/2019 9:04 pm: Europe stinks to high heaven

Thanks for this thread relevant comment...

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The title at least makes hope that it could become legal to play online and uncertainties are cleared. It is only important that no overregulation takes place because that makes everything worse and DE tends to overregulate and many people unfortunately still support that.

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Stromberg

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13th Nov. 2019, at 09:25 pm CET#12

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mk5jas wrote on 11/13/2019 6:21 pm: But then you have to start with smaller things. E.g. apps like huuge casino. Where you Deposit money and play only with fake coins. This also introduces many kids to gambling
In my eyes, the apps are even worse because you can not win anything and there are people who have really spent over 10k

Germany would do itself a favor if they would create a legal variant, because online casino will always exist
I bet there would be providers and customers as well. As a side effect, you only have to register once and there are no problems with payouts

To prohibit casinos brings as much as at that time the alcohol ban

Do you really pay cash to play for play money in these apps? 🤦♂️😂

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13th Nov. 2019, at 09:59 pm CET#13

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Stromberg wrote on 13/11/2019 at 21:25
Do you really Deposit cash to play for play money in these apps? 🤦♂️😂

there are some casinos where you can buy for 10 euros a million play money chips to play with it but these can not withdraw again

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test45

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14th Nov. 2019, at 01:12 am CET#14

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Thought actually always that would not be feasible, but a few months ago a colleague of mine who is part owner of a betting office in Munich, that betting offices will soon no longer be worthwhile. he explained to me that the policy will intend that each player register must and only a maximum of so un so much can play, which would be an absolute problem the thus everything would become public and welfare recipients, students (Bafög) and debtors, etc. could then no longer play.... and thus missing at least 70% of customers! Well I'm curious if it really comes so, but I would not be surprised, especially since this gives the state even more control and thus the Gambling addiction is curbed, which is also slowly a problem with health Insurance and of course a huge blow against money laundering would be.
I can also well imagine that e-wallets are soon completely public (Paypal is already) or are no longer available for customers from Germany. All these points speak for monitoring and gambling would be controlled & legal. Whether I find all this good...if I look at the last 10 years...and see what I won then with gambling and look at the last 2 Jahe, you just have to admit that is only a 400 euro job and the pressure and addiction is increasing, i must confess that the fear this year was already very big to get problems with the bank and the tax office, especially since it is really hard as a self-employed person, if you lose from one day to the next his bank that has granted him a Dispo and without Dispo as a self-employed person you have no chance!..
Control and legal would be good, so you are safe and get your money in any case, but a total monitoring and a limit of 1000 euros a month I do not like!

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mk5jas

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14th Nov. 2019, at 06:03 am CET#15

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Stromberg wrote on 13/11/2019 at 21:25
Do you really Deposit cash to play for play money in these apps? 🤦♂️😂

The coins are even ass expensive. 109 euros for 225 million I would have to pay with my level. On normal bet you can play 20 to 30 minutes with it
On Facebook, people then whine to the operator that the coins are gone faster than in a real casino 😂

Our gambling is already stupid, but we can at least win, in the app you can only lose 😂

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14th Nov. 2019, at 06:57 am CET#16

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test45 wrote on 14.11.2019 at 01:12: Thought actually always that would not be feasible, but a few months ago a colleague of mine who is part owner of a betting office in Munich, the betting offices will soon no longer be worthwhile. he explained to me that the policy will intend that each player register must and only a maximum of so un so much can play, which would be an absolute problem the thus everything would become public and welfare recipients, students (Bafög) and debtors, etc. could then no longer play.... and thus missing at least 70% of customers! Well I'm curious if it really comes so, but I would not be surprised, especially since this gives the state even more control and thus the Gambling addiction is curbed, which is also slowly a problem with health Insurance and of course a huge blow against money laundering would be.
I can also well imagine that e-wallets are soon completely public (Paypal is already) or are no longer available for customers from Germany. All these points speak for monitoring and gambling would be controlled & legal. Whether I find all this good...if I look at the last 10 years...and see what I won then with gambling and look at the last 2 Jahe, you just have to admit that is only a 400 euro job and the pressure and addiction is increasing, i must confess that the fear this year was already very big to get problems with the bank and the tax office, especially since it is really hard as a self-employed person, if you lose from one day to the next his bank that has granted him a Dispo and without Dispo as a self-employed person you have no chance!..
Control and legal would be good, so you are safe and get your money in any case, but a total monitoring and a limit of 1000 euros a month I do not like!

The player card and a monthly limit are at least with the state Oddset already so. Find that honestly quite ok, because you 1) have legal certainty and 2) the money is also transferred after some time, if you have lost the ticket, for example

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Katharina2

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14th Nov. 2019, at 08:14 am CET#17

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Nothing has been decided yet and will remain so for the time being. Of course
Germany can introduce new laws to secure its monopoly. But whether the
People, Brussels and casinos see it that way is another question. Germany does not live
not outside Europe, but pretends so with their gray area to gambling. Do not
get irritated, we are all Europeans and do not allow ourselves to be 'dictated to'. Germany's
Laws are subordinate. First comes Brussels and these laws they have to
fulfill them first. Then we are also recognized as 'real Europeans' by D.

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gagapapamama

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14th Nov. 2019, at 08:19 am CET#18

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Katharina2 wrote on 11/14/2019 08:14: Nothing has been decided yet and will remain so for the time being. Of course
Germany bring new laws to secure its monopoly. But whether the
People, Brussels and casinos see so, is another question. Germany does not live
not outside Europe, but pretends so with their gray area to gambling. Do not
get irritated, we are all Europeans and do not allow ourselves to be 'dictated to'. Germany's
Laws are subordinate. First comes Brussels and these laws they have to
fulfill them first. Then we are also recognized as 'real Europeans' by D.

Do you think our politicians ask us what we would like, they decide without asking our opinion. There will be lobbyists in the background to regulate things in their favor. And we are still far away from a united Europe.

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14th Nov. 2019, at 08:36 am CET#19

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Katharina2 wrote on 11/14/2019 08:14: Nothing has been decided yet and will remain so for the time being. Of course
Germany bring new laws to secure its monopoly. But whether the
People, Brussels and casinos see so, is another question. Germany does not live
not outside Europe, but pretends so with their gray area to gambling. Do not
get irritated, we are all Europeans and do not allow ourselves to be 'dictated to'. Germany's
Laws are subordinate. First comes Brussels and these laws they have to
fulfill them first. Then we are also recognized as 'real Europeans' by D.

I had already asked in another thread:

Can someone show me something official that confirms that gambling is legal in Germany due to EU law ?

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Christoph

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14th Nov. 2019, at 08:45 am CET#20

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Matthias showed me the Bild article once. I must admit that it does not really contain anything new. That a monthly limit for sports betting is coming, is at the latest known since March 2019, but was also previously part of the gambling treaty (but was never enforced, because the award of the 20 sports betting licenses was stopped).

And that a "limit monitoring file" must then be introduced, in which the necessary data is stored, is actually only logical

According to the bill, the first name, last name, birth name, birthday, place of residence, the amount of the Deposit limit set by the player, the date the limit was set, the amount and date of the deposits made and the total amount of the deposits will be stored there.

I understand that it is a lot of data and it is certainly not unproblematic for privacy reasons either. It is also questionable whether the system is so secure that the data cannot be accessed by third parties. With regard to welfare recipients, students (Bafög) and debtors, it is questionable for me so far whether the data may be forwarded to the relevant authorities - I have not read anything about this so far.

How else would the establishment of cross-provider limits be accomplished? I don't want to defend the bill, but some users had described here again and again that they would welcome blocks for all providers and also limits for all providers, because now they can simply go to another gambling Provider without limit settings and continue gambling there.

Surely the law will rather deter high rollers, but so far it is a draft that is being discussed, maybe some bookmakers will still make sure that there can be exceptions

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