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Online Casinos in general: Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling? (Page 2)

Topic created on 16th May. 2023 | Page: 2 of 3 | Answers: 36 | Views: 9,363
DieWunderharke5000
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Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

6th Jun. 2023, at 11:01 pm CEST#16
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Honestly? Just pay the 3.50€ and you're done. That's not even worth the time you invested to research, register here and write the post.

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frapi07
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Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

7th Jun. 2023, at 12:36 am CEST#17
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Aleks6 wrote on 06/06/2023 at 22:24: Hello,

have TODAY received an email from Lottohelden, with the note that the payment has failed. Now I should pay for the 02.06.23 game still 3.50 Eur.
Unfortunately, only after I have thoroughly researched the company, I realized that this is a secondary lottery, which is illegal in Germany. Do I understand correctly: can I ignore the coming reminders from Lottohelden?
Thanks in advance for your comments based on experience!

LG

ALEKS

So they have their headquarters in Malta and are therefore in the EU. Theoretically, they could sell the Debt to a debt collection company in Germany and then collect it. They can then get everything necessary and possibly even an account garnishment and a Schufa entry on you. I have just researched and would have estimated before the research rather that no company makes this effort, but as can be seen here, a bakery has called in a collection agency for a 9.90€ claim and this has led to the fact that in the end the account was seized and 10€ quickly became 280€. It shouldn't fall that high anymore since there are lower costs since 2021, but yes, I would also advise you to pay the 3,50€. It's not the world and you get no nasty surprises.

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redangel

Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

10th Jan. 2024, at 06:59 pm CET#18
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Maybe you can help me?

I received a summons and canceled it.

Now the penalty order came, they were able to prove that I won almost 4000€.

Fine 300€ ....

Anything else to come? Fees etc. Or maybe even the tax office?

Should I get a lawyer and lodge an objection?

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nachtmahr
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Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

10th Jan. 2024, at 10:06 pm CET#19
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redangel wrote on 10.01.2024 at 18:59: Maybe you can help me?

Had received a summons, canceled it.

Now the penalty order came, they could prove me almost 4000€ win.

Fine 300€ ....

Anything else to come? Fees etc. Or maybe even the tax office?

Should I get a lawyer and lodge an objection?

Do I understand correctly that you made a win of 4000 euros but have to pay a fine of just 300 euros?


That alone is worth playing abroad with the better RTP

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Falke
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Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

10th Jan. 2024, at 10:57 pm CET#20
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frapi07 wrote on 07.06.2023 at 00:36:

So they are based in Malta and are therefore in the EU. Theoretically, they could sell the Debt to a debt collection company in DE and they would then collect it. They can then get everything they need and you could even face an account seizure and a Schufa entry. I've just done some research and would have guessed beforehand that no company would go to this trouble, but as you can see here, a bakery called in a debt collection company for a €9.90 debt and this led to the account being seized in the end and €10 quickly turned into €280. It shouldn't fall that high anymore, as there have been lower costs since 2021, but yes, I would also advise you to pay the €3.50. It's not that much and you won't get any nasty surprises.

They can't do anything and they won't do anything. And if they do, then point out the illegal gambling in a friendly manner.


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gamble1
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Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

11th Jan. 2024, at 02:28 am CET#21
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Falke wrote on January 10th, 2024 at 10:57 pm:

They can't do anything and they won't do anything. And if they do, then kindly point out the illegal gambling.



But they'll go through with it and for 3.50 it's not worth the effort - I once had something similar, or rather someone in my circle demanded the money from the Debt collector despite pointing it out with a different justification - it even went as far as a yellow letter

@redangel pay the 300 and that's fine if you can get away that cheaply I wouldn't take any risks

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moralischverwerflich
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Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

11th Jan. 2024, at 09:08 am CET#22
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redangel wrote on 10.01.2024 at 18:59: Maybe you can help me?

Had received a summons, canceled it.

Now the penalty order came, they could prove me almost 4000€ win.

Fine 300€ ....

Anything else to come? Fees etc. Or maybe even the tax office?

Would I be better off getting a lawyer and lodging an objection?

How could they prove this to you?

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redangel

Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

11th Jan. 2024, at 08:28 pm CET#23
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morallyreprehensible wrote on 11.01.2024 09:08:

How could they prove that to you, please?

That must have come from the bank, but I have to say that I was so stupid and naive, when my bank advisor asked me what the turnover was (many deposits and withdrawals) I thought it was from the online casino, long story short, she wanted the name of the casino, of course I gave it out because I didn't want any trouble and I wasn't aware of it either, because the casino was advertised by a Streamer 😂


But what's funny is that the summons said something about the time of the offense in August and that with the bank advisor was at the beginning of 2023... and she said then we'll leave it at a warning, after that I only played on whitelist, so to speak.

Accordingly, I properly canceled the summons without giving any information shortly before Christmas and now the penalty order of 30 daily rates of €10 each came, so I think that's the least there is 🙈 makes just under €400 with fees....

The penalty order also states the time from when to when I played and also the amount I won / paid out. Just under 4000€, I took the trouble to calculate everything and came up with a difference of 1650€ plus..

I'll definitely talk to my bank advisor once I've paid this, what the f**k, she could have told me that she still has to report me 😂🫶🏻

Soooo not doing anything is also the wrong way to go, it's better to get a lawyer from the start.... 😂

I could of course lodge an objection, get a lawyer etc., but do I want to lose the case and then have even higher costs? No thanks 😂 Lesson learned, stupidity doesn't protect you from punishment and neither does ignorance 😂

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redangel

Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

11th Jan. 2024, at 08:31 pm CET#24
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nachtmahr wrote on January 10th, 2024 at 10:06 pm:

Do I understand correctly that you made 4000 euros in win but have to pay just 300 euros in fines?


That alone is worth playing abroad with the better RTP

So deducted from the depositors, that leaves just under €1650 ... in 2 months 😂


30 daily rates received, so really very low fortunately 🙏🙏

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agnesaislami
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Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

12th Jan. 2024, at 07:41 am CET#25
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redangel wrote on 10.01.2024 at 18:59: Maybe you can help me?

Had received a summons, canceled it.

Now the penalty order came, they could prove me almost 4000€ win.

Fine 300€ ....

Anything else to come? Fees etc. Or maybe even the tax office?

Should I get a lawyer and lodge an objection?

Can you tell me whether you transferred directly from the casino to the bank or to an e-wallet?

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gamble1
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Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

12th Jan. 2024, at 03:36 pm CET#26
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morallyreprehensible wrote on 11.01.2024 09:08:

How could they prove that to you, please?

Transaction list of the bank and Google is enough! Most casinos don't even use Trustly or something like that, but the statement says Casino XYZ thanks or something like that


If these are only transactions from PPRO it will be more difficult because even Klarna uses this Provider to process payments

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redangel

Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

13th Jan. 2024, at 07:26 am CET#27
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agnesaislami wrote on 12.01.2024 at 07:41:

Can you tell me if you transferred directly from casino to bank or to e-wallet?

Yes, always directly, to instant depositor. As I said, stupid and naive, just didn't know about the whitelist 😂

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redox

Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

24th Sep. 2024, at 11:17 am CEST#28
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Hello everyone,
i also received some not particularly good news yesterday.
Here's what happened: A friend wanted to apply for a loan from the bank, but a large number of transfers were made to an apparently illegal online casino. The bank naturally had to report this and he is now likely to receive a letter from the police in the near future.
But now comes the other problem. We've been playing together for several years, which means that transfers went to me when I deposited, transfers went to him when he deposited and it was similar with the wins (we always transferred half to each other for both deposits and withdrawals).
Do you think that my transfer will also be taken into account when his account is checked and that I will suffer the same fate?
To understand: We are talking about over 12000€ win over the last 5 years per person roughly estimated. Of course, we didn't realize that we were moving into illegal territory.
I have just applied for legal protection Insurance and hope that we can get out of this somehow.

I would really appreciate some helpful answers. Thanks guys!

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Stromberg
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Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

24th Sep. 2024, at 11:37 am CEST#29
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redox wrote on 24.09.2024 at 11:17: Hello everyone,
i also received some not particularly good news yesterday.
The following: A friend wanted to apply for a loan from the bank, but an increased number of transfers went out to an apparently illegal online casino. The bank naturally had to report this and he is now likely to receive a letter from the police in the near future.
But now comes the other problem. We've been playing together for several years, which means that transfers went to me when I deposited, transfers went to him when he deposited and it was similar with the wins (we always transferred half to each other for both deposits and withdrawals).
Do you think that my transfer will also be taken into account when his account is checked and that I will suffer the same fate?
To understand: We are talking about over 12000€ win over the last 5 years per person roughly estimated. Of course, we didn't realize that we were moving into illegal territory.
I have just applied for legal protection Insurance and hope that we can get out of this somehow.

I would really appreciate some helpful answers. Thanks guys!

So you played in a casino with one account and deposited from 2 different accounts with different owners (i.e. both of you) and paid out to them?


Strange that this worked at all...

Apart from that, I'm not very familiar with what the authorities investigate.

But you would only come under suspicion if they looked into your casino account or your friend said something...

Who was the account in your name or your friend's name?

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Langhans_innen
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Experience with criminal charges for illegal gambling?

24th Sep. 2024, at 11:42 am CEST#30
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Stromberg wrote on September 24th, 2024 at 11:37 am:

So you played in a casino with one account, and deposited from 2 different accounts with different holders (both of you) and paid out to them?


Strange that that worked at all...

Apart from that, I'm not very familiar with what the authorities investigate.

But you would only come under suspicion if they looked into your casino account or your friend said something...

Who was the account in your name or your friend's name?

I understood that the casino account was in the friend's name and that all casino transactions were in the friend's name. The two of them then only settled their joint investments/earnings with each other by bank transfer. Now Redox is worried that conclusions could be drawn about his involvement because he appears so frequently on the account statements. That would be my version

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