Online Casinos in general: Energycasino license and legality (Page 3)

Falcon wrote on 10/01/2022 at 23:06
Please just don't.

I am since 2 years in contact with a lawyer who sues for game losses for players in Austria. So far with 100% success rate and that in hundreds of cases.
What you write together is just completely wrong.

And I really don't feel like explaining it to you in detail right now. Just wanted to put it right for the other readers

Falke wrote on 10.01.2022
Until another one comes along and claims the exact opposite because he believes all the advertisements of the Affiliate sites.

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Das_Phantom wrote on 10/01/2022 at 23:30
Not so true...

"With the exception of sports betting and lotteries, organizing and brokering public gambling on the Internet is prohibited and must be prohibited accordingly. This Internet prohibition does not violate the un ions freedom to provide services. This has already been established by the Court of Justice of the European un ion and the Federal Administrative Court with regard to the previous general Internet ban due to the particular danger of gambling on the Internet compared to conventional gambling (including unlimited availability of the offer, convenience, lack of protection for minors). The fact that the State Treaty on Gaming now provides for a strictly regulated offering of sports betting and lotteries on the Internet gives no reason to change this case law. This limited legalization is intended to steer the gambling instinct of the population into orderly and supervised channels and to combat the black market for gambling on the Internet." (Press release of the Federal Administrative Court No. 74/2017 of 27.10.2017 on BVerwG, judgment of 26.10.2017 - 8 C 14.16 -)"

.. How many times should the topic actually be chewed over here?

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Royal777 wrote on 10/01/2022 at 23:50
Your source is apparently out of date.
https://www.bverwg.de/pm/2017/74

Everything else that followed is on Wikipedia, among other places, and is therefore null and void
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gl%C3%BCcksspielstaatsvertrag#cite_note-77

Definition Public gambling on the Internet:
According to § 284 paragraph 1 StGB is punished, who without official permission publicly a gambling organizes or holds or the facilities for this ready. A game of chance is public if participation is made possible for any person.

In EnergyCasino there is the official permission (MGA).

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Falke wrote on 11.01.2022 at 00:17
Tell me, do you really not get it?

There is a very clear case law on the part of the ECJ in relation to gambling. This has decided that gambling is a matter for individual countries. Period.
In many countries there are extra rulings from the Supreme Court or Constitutional Court.

I can understand that this is rather information that you do not get if you do not follow closely. But then believe us at least and see that you're wrong, instead of here again want to organize a link battle where then every word is put on the scale and here is but that and here is that.

Read the ECJ ruling and that's it. It stands above all others and has decided. And exactly this judgment is the basis why for example in Austria just so many players successfully demand their money back. You are welcome to google it.
Or do you seriously believe the casino would not argue in court with MGA license, freedom of service, etc.? Of course they do. However, the court then states on the basis of the ECJ ruling that the freedom of services does not count in this case and that the legal situation is completely clear.

I have already read several judgments on this and in all of them the legal situation is beyond question.

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Royal777 wrote on 10/01/2022 at 23:50
Your source is apparently out of date.
https://www.bverwg.de/pm/2017/74

Everything else that followed is on Wikipedia, among other places, and is therefore null and void
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gl%C3%BCcksspielstaatsvertrag#cite_note-77

Definition Public gambling on the Internet:
According to § 284 paragraph 1 StGB is punished, who without official permission publicly a gambling organizes or holds or the facilities for this ready. A game of chance is public if participation is made possible for any person.

In EnergyCasino there is the official permission (MGA).

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Royal777 wrote on 11/01/2022 at 00:45 PM
You won't make it far with the Tu-quoque
I have found corresponding judgments on dejure.org. In order not to expose you again I will not publish these out of mercy.

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Falke wrote on 11.01.2022 at 00:17
Tell me, do you really not get it?

There is a very clear case law on the part of the ECJ in relation to gambling. This has decided that gambling is a matter for individual countries. Period.
In many countries there are extra rulings from the Supreme Court or Constitutional Court.

I can understand that this is rather information that you do not get if you do not follow closely. But then believe us at least and see that you're wrong, instead of here again want to organize a link battle where then every word is put on the scale and here is but that and here is that.

Read the ECJ ruling and that's it. It stands above all others and has decided. And exactly this judgment is the basis why for example in Austria just so many players successfully demand their money back. You are welcome to google it.
Or do you seriously believe the casino would not argue in court with MGA license, freedom of service, etc.? Of course they do. However, the court then states on the basis of the ECJ ruling that the freedom of services does not count in this case and that the legal situation is completely clear.

I have already read several judgments on this and in all of them the legal situation is beyond question.

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CashOut wrote on 11.01.2022 at 15:01
I think this is more of a case with @Royal777 that he absolutely has to be right even if he is not.

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