Do you get preferential treatment as a new player?

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Do you get preferential treatment as a new player?

7th Sep. 2018, at 06:59 pm CEST#31

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Daniel wrote on 07/09/2018 at 16:53
Yes, it's also fixed beforehand. As soon as you win free spins on Book of Dead, for example, 10 spins are randomly played (in the background) and then replayed in an animated way. The technology is the same everywhere, in casinos, Online Casinos and state casinos. That's why it sometimes takes a while for the free spins to load at Novomatic. This is not because the machine calculates a strategy, but simply 10 games are played randomly in the background. If during these 10 games again 3 books run in, then it generates (on a random basis) another 10 spins. Sometimes there are too many threads running, which causes delays - this happens with every software from time to time.

It is not known in advance when the free spins will come. It is also not known in advance what the next free spins will pay. But only in the moment where you get the free spins, the later course is fixed. That's why it always annoyed me when players in casinos or gambling houses gave me the Tip to stop the reels. It is not possible to convince people that stopping makes no difference. Then when you have bad free spins, people say "see, you should have listened to me". If the free spins were good, then the very same people will tell you to stop the reels the next time.

No time to go into all the rest now - and eye-opening was nothing at all - but on this briefly:

Free spins awarded by the casino, not free spins within a game. But I had also written.

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Do you get preferential treatment as a new player?

7th Sep. 2018, at 07:10 pm CEST#32

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When I read Daniel's statement, I get a thick neck again . And that, although my work week has gone great . It is always the same tour . He tries again and again to explain to the players with an abnormal logic that constant losing must basically be so . Just because of the AQ . Daniel has but strangely not yet brought a single example where a player consistently 2-3 months only wins . Should also be possible ! or not ? Kaffeelicht meets with his statements exactly the point

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7th Sep. 2018, at 07:14 pm CEST#33

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@ Daniel
Are the possibilities identical when changing the bet until you get free spins or for example is it faster if I play on 1€ than on 50 cents?

Online and offline, I would be interested in your opinion.

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Do you get preferential treatment as a new player?

7th Sep. 2018, at 08:09 pm CEST#34

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My feeling is a clear yes! I mean, of course, it may have been an absolute coincidence and luck but since I noticed it in different casinos, I personally believe rather less.
On my accounts for example at sunnyplayer and sunmaker, hardly anything happened and everything always took the same course.
Hardly I should play once a little for a good friend and exactly there as a new customer, everything took a completely different course.
This has struck me as I said several times, which is why I definitely think that new players are preferred in whatever way.

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7th Sep. 2018, at 08:48 pm CEST#35

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And why don't you just register at 100 casinos one after the other and secure the "new customer bonus" 100 times? If all this has a hand and foot, you should be filthy rich afterwards

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7th Sep. 2018, at 08:49 pm CEST#36

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Carmilies wrote on 07.09.2018 at 20:09: My feeling is a clear yes! I mean, of course it could have been an absolute coincidence and luck but since I noticed it in different casinos, I personally believe rather less in it.
On my accounts for example at sunnyplayer and sunmaker, hardly anything happened and everything always took the same course.
Hardly I should play once a little for a good friend and exactly there as a new customer, everything took a completely different course.
This has struck me as I said several times, which is why I definitely think that new players are preferred in whatever way.

Back then, about 6 years ago for sure, there was a "kind" mystery picture in the game arcade that actually worked on Book of Ra.

I was a moderator of Automatenforum at the time and Gamblejoe (Daniel) was also with us.

Internally we always helped each other a bit and there were actually certain image constellations that predicted the free spins.

Kingtut, our administrator at that time, really knew a lot about the subject and Theox was very familiar with StarGames.

For example (I can't find the video anymore, but I still have a PDF somewhere), if the isis was often on the first and second reel in Book of ra, then no free spins came on this bet.

If on the first reel above a scarab (beetle) and at the bottom a letter J was, then ALWAYS came thereupon after few spins free spins.
So you could always go through the different betting compartments and see where there were very few ISIS and where the constellation came.

This went on for about 3-4 months, and that was also the big proof for me that the mission compartments played a significant role.
From Kingtut I still found this old video

At that time there was also a "mystery picture" with the 3 explorers, our then Theox was the StarGames expert and found out, for example, if many A were at Lord of Ocean (in the first 3 reels) then the free spins are also very close and it actually worked at that time. (he has now and then shown videos on Whatsapp)

I think through constellations of images as in BOD it should also be possible to predict "free spins".

If Theox and Kingtut are also one of the viewers and readers, I hope you do not mind if I tell old things and also link a video.

many greetings
Tropper

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7th Sep. 2018, at 08:56 pm CEST#37

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I have had both experiences that would confirm this and those that would disprove it.

With Vera&John and Highroller I have won 300+ with all my deposits so far

At Casinoclub I won 300€ with my first Deposit, 100€ with my second, and no more with the two after that

At Playojo I won a lot only with the second deposit, not with the first and the third

At sunnyplayer I didn't win anything at first, at some point I won about 500€

At sunmaker I have never won at all

At Lapalingo I had only one deposit and with that I won nothing at all.

I think that's it with casinos where I have deposited within the last 3 years. I think it is a coincidence. At Vera&John I won with my first 3 deposits when my money was gone and I only played with bonus. However, I was able to convert this every time without any problems and had even more money afterwards. With Highroller it was even more extreme, there I still had to convert 4.50€ when I changed the game and won with the first spin FS and 400€

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7th Sep. 2018, at 09:26 pm CEST#38

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Kanalmalocher wrote on 07/09/2018 at 20:48: And then why don't you just sign up in 100 casinos one after the other and secure the "new customer profit preference" 100 times? If this all has a hand and foot, you should be filthy rich afterwards.

Yes, I wonder about that too.

Tropper wrote on 09/07/2018 at 7:14 pm: @ Daniel
Are the possibilities identical when changing the bet until you get free spins or for example is it faster if I play on 1€ than on 50 cents?

Online and offline, I would be interested in your opinion.

Slots / slot games in casinos and Online Casinos work in principle like roulette. If I bet 1,000€ on red in Roulette, the result is no different than if I bet 10€. It is exactly the same with slot machines. All Games of chance are based on chance and probability. Roulette, lotto, Scratch cards, Slot machines (in OCs and casinos at least, but probably also in arcades).

Sigura43 wrote on 07/09/2018 at 19:10: When I read Daniel's statement, I get a thick neck again . And that although my work week has gone great . It's always the same tour . He tries again and again to explain to the players with an abnormal logic that constant losing must basically be so . Just because of the AQ . Daniel has but strangely not yet brought a single example where a player consistently 2-3 months only wins . Should also be possible ! or not ? Kaffeelicht hits with his statements exactly the point .

What then for a tour. Do you know how we earn money ? We earn money when a player decides to play through us in a casino. We then get a one-time commission per player. Economically, we profit from people who keep switching casinos because they think new players have advantages. I should actually write that it is exactly the same or that I think so too. But I do not, because it is simply not true.

Of course I write that it is normal to lose, because it is normal! With the gambling one loses evenly - except one has luck. Where should I get the examples that players consistently win 2-3 months? There are always cases where a player deposits relatively little money and then wins €50,000+. But this is rare, because the house advantage is on the side of the casinos. You all underestimate the house advantage.

I wouldn't deny that game manufacturers update their games from time to time. There is so much design freedom there. Example:

Suppose I developed Book of Dead, and suppose Book of Dead has an AQ of 95%. Then I could take out some explorer symbols on the reels, but add some small symbols on the reels. I could calculate this so that the probability of 5 explorers is even smaller than it already is, but the game pays out several smaller wins, which the players usually gamble away again. Then the players have the feeling that the AQ of 95% cannot be any more. But the AQ remains the same, only now players can play longer than before, but big hits become rarer.

I could also program a slot game where you virtually never win, but lose 5% of your bet with every spin. With this game it would be impossible to get into the plus even for a short time. The game would be very predictable and nobody would play it, because you always win back 95 cents per 1€ spin, i.e. you lose 5 cents. After one hour of play (1,200 spins) EVERY player would have lost exactly 60€ and there would never be a win.

I hope you understand what I want to say. I mean I'm not advertising gambling here - this is rather relentless education and "anti-advertising".

Especially problem gamblers or gambling addicts have to accept that there are no tricks, no secrets, no conspiracies. Then if there are manipulations, it is also possible to find a loophole. For example, let's say I'm an addicted gambler and I believe in this "new customer winning preference". Then my condition will not get better, but only worse, because I then think I can trick the system via this way.

Let's assume I always play in the arcade on the same machine and think it has swallowed so much so it must soon pay out at least 1,000 €. What is the probability that I will get away from this machine with this mindset? But if I know that every spin has the same probability of a win or loss, and if I then know what I'm most likely to lose in the next hour of play, then at least I'm more likely to stop. Teenagers and young adults in particular are very susceptible to such things and I'm sure that if this target group were better educated, many would not develop a Gambling addiction in the first place, but would just see gambling as a pastime for in between.

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7th Sep. 2018, at 09:30 pm CEST#39

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Kanalmalocher - It's all about the principle !!!!!!!!!!!! I sign up at a casino, Deposit, and win, or lose . Correct . So it should be . But what many people notice is that the first time you sign up, the success is there. And after that nothing more comes. I want to win honestly, or lose

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7th Sep. 2018, at 09:36 pm CEST#40

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Sigura43 wrote on 07/09/2018 at 19:10: When I read Daniel's statement, I get a thick neck again . And that even though my work week has been going great . It's always the same tour . He tries again and again to explain to the players with an abnormal logic that constant losing must basically be so . Just because of the AQ . Daniel has but strangely not yet brought a single example where a player consistently 2-3 months only wins . Should also be possible ! or not ? Kaffeelicht hits with his statements exactly the point

It is mathematically seen as good as impossible 2-3 months only to win, because the casino has a house advantage in all games
maybe you should occupy yourself with mathematics instead of accusing other people of "abnormal logic"

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