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Daniel

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7th Sep. 2018, at 04:53 pm CEST#21

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Kaffeelicht wrote on 07/09/2018 at 14:44: Why shouldn't casinos have an impact on AQ?
I have already been confirmed by support at two casinos that the casino predetermines, for example, how much a player wins on free spins (i.e., free spins from the casino, not regular free spins within a slot).
According to them, it is predetermined.

Yes, it is also predetermined. As soon as you win free spins on Book of Dead, for example, 10 spins are randomly played (in the background) and then replayed in an animated fashion. The technology is the same everywhere, in casinos, Online Casinos and state casinos. That's why it sometimes takes a while for the free spins to load at Novomatic. This is not because the machine calculates a strategy, but simply 10 games are played randomly in the background. If during these 10 games again 3 books run in, then it generates (on a random basis) another 10 spins. Sometimes there are too many threads running, which causes delays - this happens with every software from time to time.

It is not known in advance when the free spins will come. It is also not known in advance what the next free spins will pay. But only in the moment where you get the free spins, the later course is fixed. That's why it always annoyed me when players in casinos or gambling houses gave me the Tip to stop the reels. It is not possible to convince people that stopping makes no difference. Then when you have bad free spins, people say "see, you should have listened to me". If the free spins were good, then the very same people will tell you to stop the reels the next time.

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7th Sep. 2018, at 05:05 pm CEST#22

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The question also here times differently asked:
What does the casino transmit to the slot/manufacturer about the player?
the player?

There are rumors that BTG uses an analysis software to examine the playing behavior
of a player.
For example:
Does the player always play to a total loss?
Does he only bet low amounts, or does he go into the game with a low bankroll
with high stakes?

Had OFT at BTG until just before the complete loss, fabulous wins.

Also from NetEnt is the rumor that they log player ID`s.

So my wish would be to know honestly and exactly, what the slot manufacturer
gets information.

You are clearly identifiable for each casino.
And with the data you can create a key, a player ID,
which is valid across casinos (per manufacturer).

So for example NetEnt can recognize you, no matter from which casino you play the slot
You play the slot.

Wouldn't that be awesome?

Just a guess, and I say here again clearly that I no
Manufacturer like NetEnt or BTG because of some dubious handling!
accuse!

I am a programmer and analyst, hence my way of thinking

Oh well:
It would also be interesting if there is a database for stakes/wins
at the manufacturers per casino or Casino-Grupppe exists.

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7th Sep. 2018, at 05:36 pm CEST#23

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It can be understood by everyone with the help of Chrome and the developer tools that what happens in the free spins is generated beforehand (on a random basis) when the free spins are triggered. The random result is then just played. And it is good that it is like this, because otherwise any disconnection or power failure (in casinos and gambling houses) would cause wins not to be counted. Some manufacturers like Big Time Gaming do not generate beforehand, but always save the old states. In the end, however, it boils down to the same thing. The techniques used are just slightly different.

This info was generated and submitted at the time the free spins came in - it didn't change during the free spins. Win was 1060 coins, as seen in the network log. If you have enough time and desire, you can also find out what each number here means.

So you can find out your score even before you start the free spins (which makes the free spins boring though).

And of course, data is analyzed, player behavior, etc. This data is also used to make games that generate more revenue. Every company does that, and game companies will definitely not be exceptions. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that anything about the "random principle" will be changed. If that were the case, then hardly anyone here would complain about too few wins, because the games would be designed so that everyone leaves a session with a loss, but at least a certain entertainment value would always be guaranteed. At least that's what I would do as a manufacturer and I would become the market leader in the long run. And I wouldn't have to cooperate with the dirty casinos at all, but they would beg me to let them offer my games. I wouldn't care about the casinos either, because there are casinos a dime a Dozen and the only thing that matters to me is that my games are the most popular overall and are in demand by players. What do I as a game manufacturer have to do with individual casinos? Why should I plan any conspiracies with any rancid casinos. So that at some point a frustrated manager unpacks or blackmails me into unpacking because he is on the verge of bankruptcy?

If anyone is manipulating at all, it is Merkur and Novomatic, because Merkur and Novomatic own their own chains of gaming arcades, produce the machines themselves and also hardly ever release their games online to Online Casinos that do not have anything to do with the corporations or belong to the group. With Merkur this is not so violently pronounced, with Novomatic but very strong!!!

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7th Sep. 2018, at 05:43 pm CEST#24

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Daniel wrote on 07/09/2018 at 17:36:

It can be understood by anyone using Chrome and the developer tools themselves that what happens in the free spins is generated beforehand (on a random basis) when the free spins are triggered. The random result is then just played. And it is good that it is like this, because otherwise any disconnection or power failure (in casinos and gambling houses) would cause wins not to be counted. Some manufacturers like Big Time Gaming do not generate beforehand, but always save the old states. In the end, however, it boils down to the same thing. The techniques used are just slightly different.

This info was generated and submitted at the time the free spins came in - it didn't change during the free spins. Win was 1060 coins, as seen in the network log. If you have enough time and desire, you can also find out what each number here means.

So you can find out your score even before you start the free spins (which makes the free spins boring though).

I think with this post you opened everyone's eyes here! Chapeau!

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7th Sep. 2018, at 05:55 pm CEST#25

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Matthias wrote on 07/09/2018 at 17:43

I think you opened everyone's eyes here with this post! Chapeau!

You didn't know that yet, ha . I know even now what you're doing right now ... namely the whole test like a maniac

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7th Sep. 2018, at 05:58 pm CEST#26

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So honestly, I was already kind of aware that the game result is fixed at the keystroke, but that you can check it SO EASILY directly with the Console... That's crazy
And YES I have to test this now ... Rizk is already waiting for my CVV number from the credit card *lol*

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7th Sep. 2018, at 06:00 pm CEST#27

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Matthias wrote on 07/09/2018 at 17:58: So honestly, I was kind of aware that the game result is fixed when you press the button, but that you can check it SO EASILY directly with the Console... That's crazy
And YES I have to test this now ... Rizk is already waiting for my CVV number from the credit card *lol*

But you can also test this in play money mode

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7th Sep. 2018, at 06:04 pm CEST#28

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Daniel wrote on 07/09/2018 at 18:00
But you can test that in play money mode

and then I get n full screen pink elephants and I'm p**sed

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7th Sep. 2018, at 06:32 pm CEST#29

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Matthias wrote on 07/09/2018 at 18:04

and then I get n full screen pink elephants and I'm p**sed

I think less that you will get that Probability is very low.

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7th Sep. 2018, at 06:34 pm CEST#30

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Matthias wrote on 07/09/2018 at 18:04

and then I get n full screen pink elephants and I'm p**sed

With such a win in play money mode, a PSC lottery for the forum would be the least!

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