You may not be able to prove anything but maybe experience and common sense will help:
1. Why should you manipulate when you can already make such immense wins with an AQ of about 95%? 5% house edge does not mean that players Deposit 10,000€ and get 9,500€ back out as winnings paid to the bank account (many still do not understand this). It just means that the casino earns 5% of the stake on the long-term average. Don't you understand how much money that is? If I play for an hour on 1€, then I make 0,05€ loss per spin. I make 20 spins per minute and per hour of play 1,200 spins where if I was lucky on average in the hour I lose 1,200 * 0.05€ = 60€. If I lose only 40€ in the hour, then I am already a win!!! Why the hell do I have to manipulate, why take any risks?
The whole thing is based on probability , why don't you understand that? If I flip a coin 10,000x, the end result will be that 5,000x heads and 5,000x tails came. The less I flip, the more the final result will deviate from the probability. If I flip the coin only 10x it can well be that I get 9x heads and only 1x tails. But in the long run it balances out. This is how machines work, a very simple story.
Only there are significantly more combination possibilities with Slot machines and there are slots where I can pay 10,000x and more of my bet AND you still have all the small intermediate winnings that you gamble away again, which count towards the payout ratio. I could develop a game with an AQ of 99%, where no player ever gets into the plus, but only loses. And with every 1€ spin exactly 1 cent loss - never a win - and the slot would still have an AQ of 99%.
2. Why do bad or shoddy Online Casinos constantly look for reasons not to pay out when the wins are high, if everything is rigged anyway? Why upset customers, who then make the reputation of the casino publicly bad (and potential rip-off victims deterred), if the wins are more or less planned anyway. That simply makes no sense! Such cases can only occur when the casinos themselves do not know when and where the next win will come.
3. Why should the game manufacturers (who earn the most money in this game), provide the online casinos with the software? There are so many bad online casinos. If I, as a game manufacturer, were to give the online casinos full control over my software, then there would be a high Risk that some casinos would manipulate my slots, which would then reduce my revenue (since I get paid on net revenue or per spin by the casinos.) In addition, I expose myself to the risk that my games will be played less and thus the competition will eat me.
If someone is manipulating, it is the game manufacturers and not the individual online casinos, which are a very small number in this game.
4. Why are there even cases of players who are in the plus in online casinos? Why are there cases of players who deposit little but still win a high 5-digit or now and then even 6-digit amount? Why is that if everything is rigged? I mean the cases there are yes and these appear here in the forum in the form of complaints when the casino (mostly Wunderino) does not want to pay or the player has screwed up and the casino justifiably closes the account. But there are also players who win big and don't complain because they just got the win. Satisfied people do not complain. All planned and controlled by the Maltese mafia?
I mean I think it is good (from an economic point of view) that many players believe in these conspiracies. Such players constantly change casinos and with our commission model we profit from it, if players constantly change the casinos. Actually, I would have to support such conspiracies but it is not the truth and it can not be the truth if you put your frustration aside and think about it properly and objectively.
No one is favored. New players receive a bonus (which can sometimes lead to a win that you would not have achieved if you had deposited less). That is the only preference.
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7th Sep. 2018, at 01:40 pm CEST#13
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"If I flip a coin 10,000x, the end result will be that 5,000x heads and 5,000x number came "
That is exactly what is not true. This is exactly what makes the difference between few wins and many losers.
If you flip the coin 10000 times the probability is high that the difference to 50:50 is about 2-5%. It will never be exact.
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bruffl wrote on 07/09/2018 at 13:40: "If I flip a coin 10,000x, the end result will be that 5,000x heads and 5,000x number came "
That is exactly what is not true. This is exactly what makes the difference between few wins and many losers.
If you flip the coin 10000 times the probability is high that the difference to 50:50 is about 2-5%. It will never be exact.
Then I just flip the coin 1,000,000 times. There are only two possibilities (heads or tails) and in the long run (let's say with minimal deviations) heads or tails will come equally often. If you now bet 1€ always on heads and you get 2€ on heads, then this corresponds to an AQ of 100%, with which the casino could not make a win - but there would still be players who would lose or win in the short or medium term. But if you now say that if heads comes, only 1.50€ would be paid out, then the casino would have a house advantage. There would be winners (short and medium term) and also losers but the casino always wins 25 cents per roll in the long run, which would correspond to an AQ of 75% (gambling house level).
Now I do the whole thing with a dice with 6 sides. Here I already have more leeway. For example, as a game developer, I could say that except for side 6, all other sides lose. To offer the same payout ratio, the win I would have to pay out when hitting the sixth side would be about 4.50€ with a 1€ bet. That would be a high Variance slot in this example. But I could also say that a player wins 20 cents on each side and 3,50€ on side 6. Then the variance would already be lower. The intermediate winnings that are paid out, are usually also used again.
With a dice, the probability of winning is already lower than with a coin. The maximum win can only be 4.5x stake. Now there are games where you can theoretically win 10,000x and more. You can imagine for yourself how small the chances are. Of course, you can win 10,000x the stake, but it is very unlikely.
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7th Sep. 2018, at 02:18 pm CEST#15
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I did not say that all casinos consistently cheat.
But I am saying that there are quite a few casinos that apparently do.
The coin thing is already disproved by the chaos theory. In addition, the tossing of a coin depends on tens of different circumstances, just the tossing behavior of a human being.
Virtual coins, which are "thrown" by scripts, are subject to completely different conditions.
Whether the RTP is always correct is also questionable. For example, a casino states 95%, but in reality may have only 80%.
Why they should bet and possibly prefer certain players?
Because profiles are created that create a probability of behavior. Some who lose all the time have anger in their stomachs and Deposit back incessantly.
Others who are lured with smaller wins also deposit again regularly because "yikes, here goes something."
Those who win more often increase their stakes and remain loyal to the casino
In any case, the casino makes money with all types of players.
The question of why someone would cheat, when they are a winner either way, is easily answered:
To make even more money.
That's also why, for example, a multi-billionaire like Donald Trump didn't pay his employees for years.
Or why Debt collection agencies, which rake in masses of dough, send fake claims or even unacceptably high fees to people.
Or why the rich so often evade taxes.
Or why top managers and company owners pay their employees less and less, so that they themselves can buy the 10 sports cars and the 4th yacht.
Or why in gambling houses the machines are often set to lose, which is why there have already been raids and closures of these establishments.
And so on...
Okay, that perhaps game manufacturers could also manipulate, I can imagine only too well.
There is not the slightest reason to believe that everything is above board in all casinos.
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Kaffeelicht wrote on 07/09/2018 at 14:18: Okay, that perhaps game manufacturers could also manipulate, I can imagine all too well.
There is not the slightest reason why one should believe that everything is above board in all casinos.
If anyone is manipulating at all, it is most likely the individual game manufacturers. The casinos have nothing to do with it, because they cannot influence the game. The games are loaded from the servers of the game manufacturers, which you can easily find out yourself with a little technical know-how. Look at the bottom of your browser bar ...
Why some casinos make trouble with too high wins could explain me also still no one. If there are player profiles (which are used to manipulate the game), then there should be no problems with any payout.
And every Videoslots player can check under "myrtp" how high his personal AQ is and it should always be at least 90% for long-term players. You could even check it yourself by listing all your spins and doing the math. Who has so much time, should perhaps do that.
And a casino has no RTP of xx% but the payout ratio have the individual games and the AQ at bspw. Book of Dead is the same in every casino - except perhaps in Online Casinos that sit in Curacao and offer fake slots.
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7th Sep. 2018, at 02:40 pm CEST#17
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Daniel wrote on 07/09/2018 at 14:24
If anyone is manipulating at all, it is most likely the individual player manufacturers.
Do they have a percentage of the sales of each slot ? Or do OC buy licenses ? How can I imagine that ?
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Why shouldn't casinos have an impact on AQ?
I have already been confirmed by support at two casinos that the casino predetermines, for example, how much a player wins in free spins (i.e., free spins from the casino, not regular free spins within a slot).
According to them, it is predetermined.
Why shouldn't game manufacturers and casinos work hand in hand?
It's obvious that casinos make trouble with payouts because they want players to gamble away their money again. Maximum profit.
Whether the reputation thereby becomes worse, is first of all irrelevant, because others read that one can bring in high wins quite often. They then think to themselves that these mistakes do not happen to them, they pay attention to everything and have at least wins and are not after 5 minutes again on 0.
This is purely psychological.
You can see that there are still players gambling in Curacao casinos who only make trouble.
Many do not even read bad reviews, but are attracted by big wins.
And if a casino makes trouble with the payout AND hardly anyone wins, fewer will play there. The mixture makes it.
The Casinos Rewards group certainly advertise Jackpot wins that are fake. But that hardly keeps anyone from enthusiastically throwing their money in.
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7th Sep. 2018, at 03:04 pm CEST#19
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Coffee Light wrote on 07/09/2018 at 12:52 PM
Superfluous question.
To prove that there is Manipulation in any form, you would have to be behind the scenes at the casino.
To prove what kind of experience I had, I would have had to really record every single spin in every single casino for years.
Why such questions are asked is beyond me.
This is about sharing experiences. I'm still waiting for the day when something like this is proven.
I find your Verteidung of the casinos by the way not only annoying but also conspicuous.
Why do you do that?
Huh, I defend casinos??? How do you get that?
I just do not think so much.I pay my 30 or 40 euros and play.There are phases I only lose, and there are phases I win....as at the moment, I have had 5 payouts in 2 days.
Here one reads only nearly each day any conspiracy theories? only nothing exactly one does not know.
There is no pattern from which you can conclude anything.
Or do you think that this forum is representative?
Ask someone who really wins a lot and often...what do you think he will tell you.
You don't know one, I don't know one.
But there are millions of players.
That a casino wants to make a win is clear, that is more or less a company.
Not everyone can win.
And if you therefore think I defend casinos, then that is just so.
Maybe you should read a little in the forum, then you see that it is not so.
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1. Why should you manipulate when you can already make such immense wins with an AQ of about 95%? 5% house edge does not mean that players Deposit 10,000€ and get 9,500€ back out as winnings paid to the bank account (many still do not understand this). It just means that the casino earns 5% of the stake on the long-term average. Don't you understand how much money that is? If I play for an hour on 1€, then I make 0,05€ loss per spin. I make 20 spins per minute and per hour of play 1,200 spins where if I was lucky on average in the hour I lose 1,200 * 0.05€ = 60€. If I lose only 40€ in the hour, then I am already a win!!! Why the hell do I have to manipulate, why take any risks?
The whole thing is based on probability , why don't you understand that? If I flip a coin 10,000x, the end result will be that 5,000x heads and 5,000x tails came. The less I flip, the more the final result will deviate from the probability. If I flip the coin only 10x it can well be that I get 9x heads and only 1x tails. But in the long run it balances out. This is how machines work, a very simple story.
Only there are significantly more combination possibilities with Slot machines and there are slots where I can pay 10,000x and more of my bet AND you still have all the small intermediate winnings that you gamble away again, which count towards the payout ratio. I could develop a game with an AQ of 99%, where no player ever gets into the plus, but only loses. And with every 1€ spin exactly 1 cent loss - never a win - and the slot would still have an AQ of 99%.
2. Why do bad or shoddy Online Casinos constantly look for reasons not to pay out when the wins are high, if everything is rigged anyway? Why upset customers, who then make the reputation of the casino publicly bad (and potential rip-off victims deterred), if the wins are more or less planned anyway. That simply makes no sense! Such cases can only occur when the casinos themselves do not know when and where the next win will come.
3. Why should the game manufacturers (who earn the most money in this game), provide the online casinos with the software? There are so many bad online casinos. If I, as a game manufacturer, were to give the online casinos full control over my software, then there would be a high Risk that some casinos would manipulate my slots, which would then reduce my revenue (since I get paid on net revenue or per spin by the casinos.) In addition, I expose myself to the risk that my games will be played less and thus the competition will eat me.
If someone is manipulating, it is the game manufacturers and not the individual online casinos, which are a very small number in this game.
4. Why are there even cases of players who are in the plus in online casinos? Why are there cases of players who deposit little but still win a high 5-digit or now and then even 6-digit amount? Why is that if everything is rigged? I mean the cases there are yes and these appear here in the forum in the form of complaints when the casino (mostly Wunderino) does not want to pay or the player has screwed up and the casino justifiably closes the account. But there are also players who win big and don't complain because they just got the win. Satisfied people do not complain. All planned and controlled by the Maltese mafia?
I mean I think it is good (from an economic point of view) that many players believe in these conspiracies. Such players constantly change casinos and with our commission model we profit from it, if players constantly change the casinos. Actually, I would have to support such conspiracies but it is not the truth and it can not be the truth if you put your frustration aside and think about it properly and objectively.
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No one is favored. New players receive a bonus (which can sometimes lead to a win that you would not have achieved if you had deposited less). That is the only preference.
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That is exactly what is not true. This is exactly what makes the difference between few wins and many losers.
If you flip the coin 10000 times the probability is high that the difference to 50:50 is about 2-5%. It will never be exact.
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Then I just flip the coin 1,000,000 times. There are only two possibilities (heads or tails) and in the long run (let's say with minimal deviations) heads or tails will come equally often. If you now bet 1€ always on heads and you get 2€ on heads, then this corresponds to an AQ of 100%, with which the casino could not make a win - but there would still be players who would lose or win in the short or medium term. But if you now say that if heads comes, only 1.50€ would be paid out, then the casino would have a house advantage. There would be winners (short and medium term) and also losers but the casino always wins 25 cents per roll in the long run, which would correspond to an AQ of 75% (gambling house level).
Now I do the whole thing with a dice with 6 sides. Here I already have more leeway. For example, as a game developer, I could say that except for side 6, all other sides lose. To offer the same payout ratio, the win I would have to pay out when hitting the sixth side would be about 4.50€ with a 1€ bet. That would be a high Variance slot in this example. But I could also say that a player wins 20 cents on each side and 3,50€ on side 6. Then the variance would already be lower. The intermediate winnings that are paid out, are usually also used again.
With a dice, the probability of winning is already lower than with a coin. The maximum win can only be 4.5x stake. Now there are games where you can theoretically win 10,000x and more. You can imagine for yourself how small the chances are. Of course, you can win 10,000x the stake, but it is very unlikely.
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But I am saying that there are quite a few casinos that apparently do.
The coin thing is already disproved by the chaos theory. In addition, the tossing of a coin depends on tens of different circumstances, just the tossing behavior of a human being.
Virtual coins, which are "thrown" by scripts, are subject to completely different conditions.
Whether the RTP is always correct is also questionable. For example, a casino states 95%, but in reality may have only 80%.
Why they should bet and possibly prefer certain players?
Because profiles are created that create a probability of behavior. Some who lose all the time have anger in their stomachs and Deposit back incessantly.
Others who are lured with smaller wins also deposit again regularly because "yikes, here goes something."
Those who win more often increase their stakes and remain loyal to the casino
In any case, the casino makes money with all types of players.
The question of why someone would cheat, when they are a winner either way, is easily answered:
To make even more money.
That's also why, for example, a multi-billionaire like Donald Trump didn't pay his employees for years.
Or why Debt collection agencies, which rake in masses of dough, send fake claims or even unacceptably high fees to people.
Or why the rich so often evade taxes.
Or why top managers and company owners pay their employees less and less, so that they themselves can buy the 10 sports cars and the 4th yacht.
Or why in gambling houses the machines are often set to lose, which is why there have already been raids and closures of these establishments.
And so on...
Okay, that perhaps game manufacturers could also manipulate, I can imagine only too well.
There is not the slightest reason to believe that everything is above board in all casinos.
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If anyone is manipulating at all, it is most likely the individual game manufacturers. The casinos have nothing to do with it, because they cannot influence the game. The games are loaded from the servers of the game manufacturers, which you can easily find out yourself with a little technical know-how. Look at the bottom of your browser bar ...
Why some casinos make trouble with too high wins could explain me also still no one. If there are player profiles (which are used to manipulate the game), then there should be no problems with any payout.
And every Videoslots player can check under "myrtp" how high his personal AQ is and it should always be at least 90% for long-term players. You could even check it yourself by listing all your spins and doing the math. Who has so much time, should perhaps do that.
And a casino has no RTP of xx% but the payout ratio have the individual games and the AQ at bspw. Book of Dead is the same in every casino - except perhaps in Online Casinos that sit in Curacao and offer fake slots.
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Do they have a percentage of the sales of each slot ? Or do OC buy licenses ? How can I imagine that ?
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I have already been confirmed by support at two casinos that the casino predetermines, for example, how much a player wins in free spins (i.e., free spins from the casino, not regular free spins within a slot).
According to them, it is predetermined.
Why shouldn't game manufacturers and casinos work hand in hand?
It's obvious that casinos make trouble with payouts because they want players to gamble away their money again. Maximum profit.
Whether the reputation thereby becomes worse, is first of all irrelevant, because others read that one can bring in high wins quite often. They then think to themselves that these mistakes do not happen to them, they pay attention to everything and have at least wins and are not after 5 minutes again on 0.
This is purely psychological.
You can see that there are still players gambling in Curacao casinos who only make trouble.
Many do not even read bad reviews, but are attracted by big wins.
And if a casino makes trouble with the payout AND hardly anyone wins, fewer will play there. The mixture makes it.
The Casinos Rewards group certainly advertise Jackpot wins that are fake. But that hardly keeps anyone from enthusiastically throwing their money in.
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Huh, I defend casinos??? How do you get that?
I just do not think so much.I pay my 30 or 40 euros and play.There are phases I only lose, and there are phases I win....as at the moment, I have had 5 payouts in 2 days.
Here one reads only nearly each day any conspiracy theories? only nothing exactly one does not know.
There is no pattern from which you can conclude anything.
Or do you think that this forum is representative?
Ask someone who really wins a lot and often...what do you think he will tell you.
You don't know one, I don't know one.
But there are millions of players.
That a casino wants to make a win is clear, that is more or less a company.
Not everyone can win.
And if you therefore think I defend casinos, then that is just so.
Maybe you should read a little in the forum, then you see that it is not so.
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NO
and that with the coin I will try .... but only 1000 times I throw the
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