Do we really need a reorganization of the online gambling market ?

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Do we really need a reorganization of the online gambling market ?

28th Nov. 2017, at 10:27 am CET#1

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In recent times, there has been a lot of unrest in the online gambling scene: Paradise Papers, Gauselmann's threats, etc.
I don't even want to start with the unbelievable problems that the bonus distribution of the casinos brings with it - the forum is almost all about that.
Daniel has it already demanded - it must a reorganization here - out of the legal gray area.But what thinks their actually really about it? Do we need it ? Should father state regulating intervene, the on-line gambling finally legalize, the Player protection improve and perhaps a central control authority for the Casinos use ? Or should everything remain as it is? What do you think ? I myself have not yet formed a final judgment and am somewhat torn.

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28th Nov. 2017, at 11:23 am CET#2

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I think that Germany should legalize this. It is allowed under European law but a bad aftertaste remains just the same and finally they hold up their hands, i.e. they demand taxes anyway. As for Player protection, they would have to ban gambling completely, otherwise all this brings nothing. Who wants to gamble always finds a way.
All the casinos should basically rethink their bonus policy. The players are only strongly unsettled by the bad headlines about not paid out wins because of bonus rule violation. Think that it is not advertising for casinos that it concerns if constantly reported on something like that. They have determined thereby also losses. So I think twice before I pay into such casinos that constantly appear in the headlines. No thanks. There are still enough others of it are fair and not with all means try to retain wins.
I know no year before like 2017 where I get almost daily bonus offers from all possible casinos. Seem to have all jumped on the bonus wave. Was previously also someone who has gladly accepted the bonus. In the meantime, I refuse any bonus, because it makes me sick to implement their turnover criteria or always in the back of my mind the thought that I could violate a point in their terms and conditions and then I have only trouble with them should it come to a win. Shove your worthless bonus in the ass dear casinos and finally start to offer the players of which you finally lives fair conditions.

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28th Nov. 2017, at 01:22 pm CET#3

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redriver67 wrote on 28.11.2017 at 11:23: Finde already that Germany should legalize the times. It is allowed under European law but a bad aftertaste remains but still and finally they hold yes also the hand on, speak taxes they demand yes anyway.

That's what it's all about in Germany. Money, money & money. Player protection is not worth a damn to them. That's why you can only hit them by leaving your money in your pocket...

Kind of like the legalization of cannabis. The pharmaceutical industry earns a lot of money with their chemical pills and drops. Why use cannabis against e.g. cancer (costs a fraction in production or you can even grow it yourself, then Bayer and Merck earn nothing more), if I can sell a drug for expensive money? Or the same with Parkinson's disease. Deal with the topic, then you know why cannabis is illegal. Health plays no role!

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Do we really need a reorganization of the online gambling market ?

28th Nov. 2017, at 02:45 pm CET#4

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@Redriver thank you for your contribution and your true words. I send the thread to all casinos, so that they finally understand the bonus.

@Joker It's always about money in the end. Then a propaganda is driven that everything is only in the interest of the people and most believe that unfortunately. Legalizing and regulating cannabis would also effectively fight the black market. And it is (compared to alcohol) a very harmless drug, because there has never been a cannabis death. Alcohol kills 50,000 people a year in Germany alone. If you include the fights, crimes and traffic accidents and also the costs for health Insurance, then alcohol causes a much greater economic and social damage than cannabis could ever do. Cannabis even has a positive effect on some diseases. Alcohol (except for disinfecting wounds) does not - at least I can't think of anything spontaneously.

Cannabis is also widely accepted by society and there is a high demand for it. And where there is demand, there are always offers and ways how the demanders get their goods. Here on GambleJoe it's about gambling but basically it's a good comparison

However, we should stop the discussion about cannabis at this point. You can talk about cannabis at CannabisJoe or in the off-topic section in our forum:-D

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28th Nov. 2017, at 02:53 pm CET#5

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I have already commented on this topic in the comments section of the following article: https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/gluecksspiel-studie-2017-fuer-deutschland-und-international/

There is no way around a SEPARATE regulation that does justice to the protection of minors as well as the protection of gamblers. People want to gamble (demand) and operators want to earn money (supply). With such a high demand, it is not possible to come up with bans. With bans, people with gambling licenses will play overseas or in really illegal Online Casinos without a license. This serves neither the Player protection, nor the protection of minors and it only brings unnecessary dangers for the players.

The state gambling providers want to keep their gambling monopoly by force and try to use their power to oust the private competitors. Why should gambling be a sovereign task that only the state is allowed to perform? It is certainly not about player protection, and if it is, it is only fourfold, because you can lose your fortune in casinos in exactly the same way, and that happens in practice every day.

Even the so-called "entertainment devices with the possibility of winning" that can be found in gambling houses are enough to ruin any average earner within a very short time - but without ever having the chance of a Risk-adequate profit.

In my opinion, a proper regulation looks like this:

1. Abolish entertainment devices with the possibility of winning. Private providers are allowed to open a casino if they meet the requirements. With a normal payout ratio like in casinos and online casinos and without limits.

2. Complete ban on Slot machines outside casinos. That means no more machines in snack bars, pubs, etc. Because there on youth protection is not paid attention partly. Also no player protection for far over 90% of the population takes place, since the loss risk for the small to normal purse is just as high. 10.000€ Montas loss and more are no problem also in play halls. Only multimillionaires are effectively protected there.

3. Introduction of a country wide blocking file. ID check and identity check in online casinos and offline casinos before you can play for real money. There is then also checked whether one is blocked as a player possibly. This is certainly also feasible (also from a data protection point of view). If you want to play, you have to accept that your data will be recorded. Who has a problem with it, just does not play. Playing is not necessary for life and no one can be forced to do so.

Such things can only be implemented if Germany is properly regulated. But as long as the market leader for "entertainment devices with the possibility of winning" (Gauselmann, Merkur, Novomatic) and the state gambling providers cling to their monopoly, I see black. They have already divided the cake among themselves. The private gambling providers (Merkur & Co.) get the small and medium-sized players and the state providers get the high rollers who feel bored by the limits in arcades.

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28th Nov. 2017, at 03:02 pm CET#6

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JoKer wrote on 28.11.2017 at 13:22

redriver67 wrote on 28.11.2017 at 11:23: I think Germany should legalize it. It is allowed under European law but a bad aftertaste remains but still and finally they hold yes also the hand on, ie taxes they demand yes anyway.

That's what it's all about in Germany. Money, money & money. Player protection is not worth a damn to them. That's why you can only hit them by leaving your money in your pocket...

Kind of like the legalization of cannabis. The pharmaceutical industry earns a lot of money with their chemical pills and drops. Why use cannabis against e.g. cancer (costs a fraction in production or you can even grow it yourself, then Bayer and Merck earn nothing more), if I can sell a drug for expensive money? Or the same with Parkinson's disease. Deal with the topic, then you know why cannabis is illegal. Health plays no role!

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28th Nov. 2017, at 03:05 pm CET#7

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Daniel, you can do that with pleasure but whether they really want to get it. Since brauchts probably a petition for a referendum or player petition with thousands of signatures then the "maybe" would come to think, but only maybe.

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28th Nov. 2017, at 10:41 pm CET#8

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sorry,was just looking for a comparison

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29th Nov. 2017, at 06:54 pm CET#9

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I don't think we need that. People generally tend to blame others for their mistakes. So if you don't control yourself when you gamble and you lose all your goodies, it's the evil gaming regulations and evil casinos that do it all on purpose

There should be no central block or anything else. Someone who is addicted to gambling is 99.9% trying to compensate for other problems. If the player does not actively treat these problems, this will never find an end. Then you just play the lottery, or go betting or in gambling houses or or or

The problem is not the casinos, but the people who can not deal with their problems

More people should just be honest with themselves and ask themselves: "Why do I really not have my gambling behavior under control"?
When they find the answer, then they need to work on it and not shout around that it's the fault of the current gaming regulation

The state wants to intervene here and just skim off our best.... namely the money. No one needs to talk that up. We have examples in Germany to hauf. Calls itself gambling house. No regulation, no booking breaks and no limits. Selbstverstäääändlich to protect the players?!?!?? Are you still there?

It will certainly turn in this Sytsem nothing to the (good). If de state should really prohibit playing in Online Casinos in Germany, then neatly on one of the 481.12921 billion other gambling variants is resorted to

It is impossible to find a uniform and satisfactory solution here. Some cry out for data protection and others want everything to be disclosed so that, for example, a central block can be set up for online casinos. Some want to verify themselves before playing, others prefer not to. Then there is the protection of minors, etc

The youth you do not stop with laws from playing, the addict will always gamble when he feels like it (central lock or not) Data protection is always trampled on no matter how much your data is protected and the state will always have its fingers in the game with a profitable investment

I hope that was understandable enough for all!

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29th Nov. 2017, at 07:02 pm CET#10

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Think that there is gambling since there are people. It will still be around in 100,000 years. The attraction lies just from little, uncomplicated quickly make a lot. Just does not work most of the time If it does work, the trouble only starts as you can always see and read here.

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