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Apples and oranges.
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Not a single Curacao casino has below 94% at Pragmatic Play. Only Playn-Go is usually below this value, which is why I no longer play their slots on principle. So yes, 94% at Pragmatic is the worst on the market (German casinos excluded). Only once did I have a casino where the RTP at Pragmatic was not stated at all. Of course, I didn't play there and immediately deleted my account.
If the RTP is not stated at all, then you can assume that the RTP is very poor. In principle, however, I would simply not play any more slots that do not have the standard RTP of 96%. Why reduce the chances of winning even further when there are enough casinos where the RTP is 96%? Logically speaking, it makes no sense, except perhaps the laziness of looking for a new casino.
But there are now enough crypto casinos without KYC and with instant payouts.
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the thing I do least of all is believe some shitty Streamer, yes yes he doesn't play there anymore because the RTP is lower, whoever believes is blessed
they don't give a shit, the casinos have already set their accounts so that it doesn't happen, there was probably another problem
RTP value is an approximate indication of the payout of the slot, which means that it can also vary, sometimes to 120% and then again to 70% and finally it always settles at the specified value approx
this is also stated for some slots
yes, there will certainly be differences when a few % are over, but to notice this you would have to make 10 deposits a day, i say, otherwise the 1-2% have no influence
and maybe someone loses more at the end of the day, it's a game of chance, you can gamble away your house and yard if the slot has 100% RTP, that doesn't mean you'll win......
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Well, the streamer badmouthed the casino in a video and ended the cooperation immediately. Not even the leaderboard was completed. Regardless of what happened afterwards, but he played there himself and I can understand why he stopped playing there. He is also affected by this, because his cooperation with Winz amounted to a whopping 10k per stream. If you had followed his streams, you would know that he only dedicated a part of his streams to Winz and that these 10k were actually no capital for him. After the 10k was used up or he had enough (and the lottery was canceled) he then played on Stake and made higher bets there. What I want to write is that he probably also played at Winz privately from time to time. I agree with you that he did it because of his audience - not so much.
Were there other problems? Maybe, he had also done the streams with Vave before. Maybe Winz didn't like that? But I personally don't think so, because Winz didn't mind that he continued to play in the same streams with Stake. Maybe there was another problem, who knows. At least he gave me the impression that he always told the truth. When unpleasant questions arose, he simply didn't answer them, but I didn't get the impression that he was a liar. On the other hand, there are other candidates who advertise scumbags (payout limit of €500/day) and tell untruths.
Whether he had an account for streaming is speculation, by the way. But I can assure you that you noticed a difference to other streamers. Both in the streams and in the lotteries.
And no, that 2% makes a big difference. On average, players lose 6% instead of 4%. Of course you're right when you write that it's gambling and the RTP value is achieved over billions of spins, but it's about the offer. You are being offered worse conditions without it being justified. In principle, anyone can play wherever they like, but it's like filling up at Esso even though you have a cheaper petrol station nearby. The 1-2 cents/liter certainly don't make the average petrol consumer any poorer, but it does accumulate over the years. But you have to look at the whole picture and these 1-2 cents/liter make the petrol station operator a lot richer. It's the masses that do it.
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i think we all know that the RTP in casinos, for example, is miserable i guess something between 60% and 80%, although i think 80% would be far too much.... rather less
nevertheless, from about may this year by playing regularly in the casino (about 1 a week) over the summer (about 3 months long) until recently I made over 4000€ win, that went about 3 months my lucky streak, I never had before, until suddenly my streak broke off, and I went out 4 times in a row with minus, ok about 1500€ with the 4 times messed up but no matter are then still about 2500€ win....
(see also my winning pictures)
so that's now about 6 weeks ago, since then I was no longer in the casino, I said take a break from there, all good but still took 2.5k plus with me (now at the end of october I want to try again)
but my opinion whether you have a miserable RTP like in a state casino or a good one online, it always depends on your own gaming behavior
of course you're right, it's certainly different, but you still have to weigh it up, because in your opinion no online player should gamble on a real machine that doesn't have 2% less RTP but 30% less RTP....
that's just my opinion
please stop telling me about the fake rat "casinokontrollör" wasn't he called casino tester before? if that's him, he once wanted to sue me because i uncovered his cheating videos on youtube years ago and explained in the video i uploaded how he cheats, end of the story he threatened me with a lawyer and got a strike from youtube...
this miserable good-for-nothing
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But you can't compare online with offline. Just like German and international shops. Compare it with the Curacao stalls, then it's a real comparison. So far I've only seen Platin, which have equally bad RTP values. One Hacksaw slot even has 92%. In any case, this casino cannot be recommended because of the current payout policy, but the RTP values are just as bad. Why should you deliberately give up these few % more return? Why do other casinos manage to survive with a 3% edge? What exactly is supposed to justify this reduction? It's just like when Platin introduced this "tax". Some just looked around and played where this "tax" did not exist. Admittedly, 5.3% hurts more than 2.X% - but back then some still had the hope that it would really be paid. Winz, on the other hand, made this RTP reduction out of greed. Just dust off more %, most people will accept the RTP reduction and continue to play. As mentioned, everyone can play where they like. I just wanted to point this out, as Winzs did not communicate this anywhere and I thought that this information might also be important for T0uch or other users/readers
It's normal to get (very) lucky sometimes. You will have that everywhere, no matter how high or low the RTP is (unless the RTP is 0%).
Nene, the casino tester was someone else. He has completely changed his channel. He uploads "legal" content, but until recently he also uploaded videos in English (Maltesegambler) where he played high games. He deleted them all and has been active again since yesterday. The casino controller is another one, has also done real lotteries and has at least done some things for his community - hardly anyone has distributed so much and so transparently to the community... Often distributed 25USD bonus codes for BC Games etc. You just had to be quick if you wanted to redeem them xD
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yes you're right just go down without saying anything well first of all it's not the world and secondly you could look into slots every time and check for yourself i hardly think the casino would write everyone an email
as I said, as long as they indicate the RTP in the slots everything is fine and you can always check it yourself
and in conclusion, I appreciate winz very much for the fast payouts, uncomplicated Verification simply from the top casino
what i have to say is that i have no Deposit and no withdrawal fees
so i would switch to crypto i certainly wouldn't want to pay fees on deposits and withdrawals if i didn't have to, that's why i stay with winz, this disadvantage you have with crypto
achso ok yes i don't know him i thought it was the casinotester...
to get back to the topic luckydreams also has a 100.000€ payout limit within 24 hours. i think there was even a complaint thread about it here because someone had won over 100k and was only allowed to pay out 100k
i don't know if this is stated in the agbs in all the damas, I'll have to look it up now
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Well, not about every slot, but a mail like this, where you generally point out the lowering of the RTP would have been fair and transparent. But hey, who is that in this industry?^^
Sure, Winz is still reputable and also still good, I'll sign that too. As you write, they hardly cause any headaches and are super fast. I've only had positive experiences myself, but this change doesn't affect me as I only play Live Casino at Winz. Exactly for this reason btw, because the edge is always the same and doesn't change ^^
It depends on the coin. BTC is the most expensive, but many have confirmed to me that it only costs a few cents. I think LTC is like that. T0uch can certainly give better information^^ Not worth mentioning and that certainly doesn't justify the 2% RTP cut.
Yeah, all good. I already realized that you didn't know him or didn't follow him xD I don't want to defend him, but I once managed to get the 25 USD BC game code twice myself. So I got 50 USD just for playing. Without a draw. He just posted the codes in the chat and you just had to be super fast In addition to his lottery per stream. Hardly anyone does it, I just wanted to mention it.
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What's going on there? Identical looking slots with 2% less RTP... I had already read about this on some review sites, but thought it was a bad joke.
It really does NOT work at all.
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They are two different providers, so a difference in RTP is quite normal, even if the slots look similar or work in a similar way.
But the worst are PlayNGo, as Falke has already written. Streamers are also reluctant to play them because they know that the RTP is lower there. This does not mean that they never play on this Provider, just that they play less.
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It's not, because exactly "the same" slots at Mr. Bet, for example, easily give 96.5% instead of 94-94.5% RTP.
It's cheating of the worst kind and nothing else.
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So 50-70% more losses on these bullshit slots... I think my pig is whistling!!!
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Oh, that's because the casinos can decide for themselves which version they make available.
That's exactly what I warned you about. You will also notice this with many slots at Winz. Platin is no exception, as I mentioned earlier xD
Whether that's cheating - I can't agree with that. It's a free market and they don't hide their RTP. If you do your research, you'll know where you'll statistically get the better return. This is not only the case with the RTP. The bonus conditions are the same. Some casinos set extremely stupid bonus conditions (the old Platin with the Cashback cough cough), while other casinos still set "normal" conditions. You just have to inform yourself.
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And if I play a Pragmatic game, unless it's obviously a "slimmed-down" *cough cough* version, then it has to be the same product.
A standard Milka bar doesn't have 50-70 grams at Penny and 100 at Edeka.
My gosh.
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Well, you can just imagine that the cola has 450 ml instead of 500 ml, you pay the same price as the 500 ml bottle, but it's labeled there. Isn't that legal? Of course it is, as long as the liter/kilo price is there. That's roughly how it is here. The RTP is not hidden. Whether you play at XY or ZY is up to you.
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