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Online Casinos in general: "Criminal operators at Tipico & Co? | CTRL_F" (Page 3)

Topic created on 12th Jun. 2019 | Page: 3 of 4 | Answers: 30 | Views: 9,167
Falko
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13th Jun. 2019, at 03:41 pm CEST#21
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In this documentary, the money launderer said he simply bets all his money on several sports bets and on both teams the same amount and thus he does not lose any money. I have not yet seen a bet where the odds are 2.0 everywhere. So it would have to be then to lose nothing and betting tax is also added.

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13th Jun. 2019, at 04:08 pm CEST#22
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Mo1985 wrote on 06/13/2019 at 15:11: player money are safe - that is correct.

However, after the big bang, player money is also frozen on OC's for now until it is paid out. See pokerstars shutdown back then.

but Poker also requires a bankroll that each player must have on the account, in casinos is deposited and played until you lose everything or it can be paid out. there is not much freeze

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13th Jun. 2019, at 04:58 pm CEST#23
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Falko wrote on 13.06.2019 at 15:41: In this documentary, the money launderer said he simply puts all his money on several sports bets and on both teams each equal amount and thus he loses no money. I have not yet seen a bet where everywhere the odds are 2.0. So it would have to be then to lose nothing and betting tax is also added.

I did this a few years ago at the World Cup 2014 so, called "Surebets". But in this case it has nothing to do with money laundering but with "safe bets". Today there are some providers who provide you with the odds from the bookie in long lists and you can do arbitrage with it. The problem is that this is only worthwhile with a high capital outlay. I don't do that anymore, at that time it was worth it so-so.

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13th Jun. 2019, at 05:01 pm CEST#24
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Falko wrote on 13.06.2019 at 15:41: In this documentary, the money launderer said he simply puts all his money on several sports bets and on both teams each equal amount and thus he loses no money. I have not yet seen a bet where everywhere the odds are 2.0. So it would have to be then to lose nothing and betting tax is also added.

The other day at Barca against Liverpool was only so.

Or today Women's World Cup Australia gg. Brazil

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13th Jun. 2019, at 08:38 pm CEST#25
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Falko wrote on 13.06.2019 at 15:41: In this documentary, the money launderer said he simply puts all his money on several sports bets and on both teams each equal amount and thus he loses no money. I have not yet seen a bet where everywhere the odds are 2.0. So it would have to be then to lose nothing and betting tax is also added.

If then's only like docholiday wrote, by comparing different bookmakers and trying to find such a surebet
At only one Provider you will not find such odds
(Exception Betano, which offer for certain markets an odds key of 100%)

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13th Jun. 2019, at 08:51 pm CEST#26
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Stromberg wrote on 06/13/2019 at 20:38
If then's only like docholiday wrote, by comparing different bookmakers and trying to find such a surebet
At only one Provider you will not find such odds
(Exception Betano, which offer for certain markets an odds key of 100%)

If that in the betting shops in cities also such bets with a Quotenschlüssig gives, then one has it very simply his dirty money clean to wash. And as described in the documentary, most betting shops have foreign bosses, which makes the whole thing much easier. These people are also still the string pullers in the illegal business with drugs, etc. what there is so everything to earn easy fast money.

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13th Jun. 2019, at 11:02 pm CEST#27
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Mo1985 wrote on 06/13/2019 2:58 pm: Sure they already got money back. The casinos and PayPal even pay out almost insta. Keyword: recognition without legal obligation!

With Skrill I'm not talking about funds of casino operators that are laundered - but criminals use this place form to launder money.

Everyone here uses Skrill to disguise transactions and to get their money as anonymously as possible. Pretty naive to think that the state will look at this forever.

In addition to that: Gambling or not - anyone who earns money on a regular basis, e.g. with sports betting, and makes a living from it, has to pay taxes.

Eddy scharf - a well-known Poker player - was ruined by the taxman.

https://mobil.mopo.de/news/politik-wirtschaft/recht/urteil-gegen-koelner-zocker-star-eddy-scharf-muss-poker-millionen-versteuern-22568494

The case went even further to the Federal Constitutional Court, he had enough time to get documents to prove losses. Taxes on poker winnings also do not have to be paid (at least in many cases), that was clarified in 2017 (Federal Fiscal Court, judgment of 30 August 2017 XI R 37/14).

Sports betting is tolerated. Casino games are currently still declared illegal. The state treaty will certainly be further adapted, especially because SH was not the only federal state that recently spoke out in favor of an opening and, if necessary, a special path will be taken. In general, I doubt the consequences for the players, the chargebacks have already been curbed. A ruling on credit cards showed that you can not simply charge back and chargebacks work so far rather with Paypal and rarely with banks. Some banks have initially still gone along, but more and more would now come to a legal dispute.

The only thing that might happen is that money laundering will be prosecuted more. But Skrill is not the only Provider, there are endless like Paypal, Neteller, MuchBetter, Bitcoin and other virtual currencies (there are also Litecoin, etc. there are very many online currencies that have a not so bad price increase), ... also with Paysafecards and so on it is possible. To relate money laundering mainly to Skrill would be very naive, and everyone likes to be anonymous on the net. For years paying with Paysafecard, with Google Play cards, Steam credit card, etc. there are incredibly many prepaid cards.

I hope it doesn't end up legally as messy as cell phone prepaid cards where you always have to fully verify yourself.

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wettibernd
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14th Jun. 2019, at 12:49 am CEST#28
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And I would still like proof that some German lawyer has recovered money from an online casino

I think that simply does not exist. But I am happy to be taught better.

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14th Jun. 2019, at 02:45 pm CEST#29
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To slowly get back to the topic at hand:

Tropper wrote on 06/13/2019 at 07:44: Can gamblejoe compare it? Can you personally check if the oc central are sham companies or the last back shed? Some transparency would be nice in the form of pictures would be awesome

Caro, Julian and Matthias have done a lot of research on this topic in Malta and have taken some pictures of the buildings of big brands in Online Casinos, sports betting providers and software manufacturers. Check them out in the current news, there you will also find what should be added to the statements in the film:

https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/strg-f-ergaenzung-glucksspielanbieter-auf-malta-gefunden/

Thanks again to Caro, Julian and Matthias for the pictures of the different companies!

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Mo1985
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14th Jun. 2019, at 03:34 pm CEST#30
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Thank you for the transparency. I think it's great, especially because
some of the report is exposed as humbug.

But what I find awesome is the murder of the journalist. It is obvious that there are various circles behind it. But understand also if the fear is great to report on it.

Be that as it may: Thank you for the transparency and the effort.

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