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Online Casinos in general: Conviction - participation in illegal gambling (Page 2)

Topic created on 16th Mar. 2024 | Page: 2 of 3 | Answers: 36 | Views: 5,231
Druff
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Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

17th Mar. 2024, at 06:29 pm CET#16
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Pat1991 wrote on 16.03.2024 at 19:09: Pro Tip: Adjust taxes and rules to the international level, then there will be no more convictions.

Ehh somehow the convictions have to be balanced out again when ganja is legalized on the first of April 😁

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Anonymus
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Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

18th Mar. 2024, at 12:19 am CET#17
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I have already read countless forum posts on various sites about this topic. Testimonials from those affected, people who were dealing with unbelievable transaction sums. In all cases, the case was closed in the end. I think one user here had to pay 400 euros and that was it.

That's the first time I've found a report where someone was convicted and then for over 5,000 euros! Wow.

If you enter the whole thing into Google, more and more up-to-date reports from newspapers etc. come up.

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Justice
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Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

18th Mar. 2024, at 11:25 pm CET#18
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Please clarify, as I have just looked at the whitelist:

Since not a single online casino with licenses from Malta, Curacao & Co. is listed there, but only "spielbanken-bayern-online.de", does this mean that participation in all foreign Online Casinos is prohibited or illegal in Germany, or am I making a mistake?

There also seems to be a distinction between virtual Slot machines and online casinos, although in my opinion they are more or less the same thing and belong together!

Thank you and don't be surprised, because I'm from Austria and the legal situation there is completely different!

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gamble1
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Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

19th Mar. 2024, at 12:57 am CET#19
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Justice wrote on 18.03.2024 at 23:25: Please clarify, as I have just looked at the whitelist:

Since not a single online casino with licenses from Malta, Curacao & Co. is listed there, but only "spielbanken-bayern-online.de", does this mean that in DE participation in all foreign Online Casinos is prohibited or illegal or do I have a mistake in my thinking?

There also seems to be a distinction between virtual Slot machines and online casinos, although in my opinion they are more or less the same thing and belong together!

Thank you and don't be surprised, because I'm from Austria and the legal situation there is completely different!

That's right, everything that runs without the 5-second rule and provides a maximum depositor of €1000 and a maximum of €1 every 5 seconds does not have a license in DE, is not on the whitelist and is prohibited

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Justice
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Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

19th Mar. 2024, at 01:36 am CET#20
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gamble1 wrote on 19.03.2024 00:57:

That's right everything that runs without a 5 second rule maximum € 1000 Deposit and maximum € 1 every 5 seconds has no license in DE is not on the whitelist and is prohibited

Thanks for the feedback!


All right - so this 5-second rule is aimed at Slot machines and therefore most Online Casinos fail because they can't separate slots from the rest of the casino games (BJ, Roulette, poker)!

But why are these casinos even allowed to offer these games in Germany or is access possible?
Let me guess: These casinos, which are therefore illegal, ultimately have nothing against Germans playing at them if - as you can see from the report - the players are ultimately held accountable!

But what happens if the player from Germany makes a win? Don't the casinos then turn the tables and refuse to pay out any winnings because the player should not have been allowed to play?

I can see that in the end - as is almost always the case - the player is left holding the bag and the companies win... despite the illegality!

BRAVO!

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gamble1
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Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

19th Mar. 2024, at 01:44 am CET#21
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Justice wrote on 19.03.2024 at 01:36:

Thank you for the feedback!


All right - so this 5 second rule is aimed at slot games and therefore most Online Casinos fail because they can't separate slots and the rest of the casino games (BJ, Roulette, poker)!

But why are these casinos even allowed to offer these games in Germany or is access possible?
Let me guess: These casinos, which are therefore illegal, ultimately have nothing against Germans playing at them if - as you can see from the report - the players are ultimately held accountable!

But what happens if the player from Germany makes a win? Don't the casinos then turn the tables and refuse to pay out any winnings because the player should not have been allowed to play?

I can see that in the end - as is almost always the case - the player is left holding the bag and the companies win... despite the illegality!

BRAVO!

Many casinos have withdrawn and banned German players, but others don't care at all and still others have simply gone to Curacao to avoid being caught


The state once talked about making the sites inaccessible by means of an IP block, but nothing has happened here yet, which wouldn't do much good in this day and age where every child already has a good skill level when it comes to PCs

Gamblers are currently being criminalized because they are, in this sense, ruining the state's tax revenues, but people like to talk about Gambling addiction and use this argument to promote the legal offer, which basically rips people off even more than all the evil illegal casinos put together

But basically you're right, the little man is the fool again in the end because some people don't manage to implement sensible regulation even though it's actually their job to find acceptable solutions for us and the others, in this case the casinos, take advantage of the government's inability to create something that people want

Because this senseless regulation drives people away from the market rather than attracting them

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Justice
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Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

19th Mar. 2024, at 03:05 am CET#22
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gamble1 wrote on 19.03.2024 at 01:44:

Many casinos have backed off and banned German players but others aren't itching at all and still others just went to Curacao to be intangible


The state once talked about making the sites inaccessible by means of an IP block, but nothing has happened here yet, which wouldn't do much good in this day and age where every child already has a good skill level in the subject of PCs

Gamblers are currently being criminalized because they are, in this sense, ruining the state's tax revenues, but people like to talk about Gambling addiction and use this argument to promote the legal offer, which basically rips people off even more than all the evil illegal casinos put together

But basically you're right, the little man is the fool again in the end because some people don't manage to implement sensible regulation even though it's actually their job to find acceptable solutions for us and the others, in this case the casinos, take advantage of the government's inability to create something that people want

Because this pointless regulation drives people away from the market rather than attracting them

Finally someone who says it...


Sure, if you want, you can bypass any block... so it only works if the casino itself takes the consequences and prevents access. But since these companies are so infinitely responsible, this "strangely" does not happen...

I would love to know how many millions these illegally operating casinos take in from the Germans every year... or rather not, because that would only make me aggressive!

This online casino industry is the most hypocritical thing under the sun and it's no different in Austria, even if the situation is different here: according to the law, only one Provider is allowed to offer Online Casinos here, but again, "strangely enough", the offer is huge, even if some casinos have already blocked access because they want to avoid possible lawsuits.
The cool and only right thing here is that you are even entitled to a refund if you have deliberately gambled at these casinos... true to the motto: If you deliberately operate illegally, don't be surprised if you get ripped off yourself!

In general, however, casinos with a license from Curacao are a thorn in my side, because they believe they can get away with anything!
They get their licenses thrown at them and then get into the illegal markets... and everyone just watches!

BRAVO again!!!

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Almoehi
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Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

19th Mar. 2024, at 05:24 am CET#23
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MisterL wrote on 16.03.2024 at 06:43: it would be interesting to see how they got to the bottom of it. and the Dealer gets away with it, the gambling addict is convicted.

Democracy

You hang the SMALL ones and let the BIG ones go. Hasn't that always been the case?

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Frankey
Experienced

Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

19th Mar. 2024, at 05:55 am CET#24
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mimimi2 wrote on 16.03.2024 at 16:05: Therefore, it is always best not to use the direct bank Deposit as a payment method, but to use a payment company in between, such as mifinity. Then the bank will only detect the money transfer between payment service providers.
It is probably only safer with cryptocurrencies of any kind.

Forget crypto. Anonymous crypto transfers are or will soon be illegal EU-wide. The amount doesn't matter. You sent your niece 100 euros worth of crypto from a self-hosted wallet for her 16th birthday? Congratulations. You are both officially suspected of money laundering. Both sender and recipient

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Frankey
Experienced

Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

19th Mar. 2024, at 06:29 am CET#25
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gamble1 wrote on 19.03.2024 at 01:44:

Many casinos have backed off and banned German players but others are not itching at all and still others are just going to Curacao to be intangible


The state once talked about making the sites inaccessible by means of an IP block, but nothing has happened here yet, which wouldn't do much good in this day and age where every child already has a good skill level in the subject of PCs

Gamblers are currently being criminalized because they are, in this sense, ruining the state's tax revenues, but people like to talk about Gambling addiction and use this argument to promote the legal offer, which basically rips people off even more than all the evil illegal casinos put together

But basically you're right, the little man is the fool again in the end because some people don't manage to implement sensible regulation even though it's actually their job to find acceptable solutions for us and the others, in this case the casinos, take advantage of the government's inability to create something that people want

Because this senseless regulation drives people away from the market rather than attracting them

The casinos don't even need to go to Curacao to get out of their responsibilities. Many have a sentence in their terms and conditions that protects the casino: 'The player is responsible for knowing and complying with all local government regulations and laws. That is all. And the player has of course confirmed that he has read and understood the terms and conditions when registering.

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Donnie
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Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

19th Mar. 2024, at 07:01 am CET#26
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How people are spreading panic here🤣

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Stromberg
Legend

Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

19th Mar. 2024, at 07:30 am CET#27
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Justice wrote on 19.03.2024 at 03:05:

Finally someone who says it...



This has already been said about 25,000 times in the last 6 months here in the forum.

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gamble1
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Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

19th Mar. 2024, at 01:17 pm CET#28
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Frankey wrote on 19.03.2024 at 06:29:

The casinos don't even need to go to Curacao to avoid responsibility. Many have a sentence in the terms and conditions that protects the casino ' The player is responsible for knowing and complying with all local government regulations and laws. That is all. And the player has of course confirmed that he has read and understood the terms and conditions when registering.

I don't think a state in the EU will be particularly interested in what is written in the T&Cs if the customers were able to play there anyway!


The best example is money back, where it says something like "the customer must inform himself about the laws and know whether he is allowed to play here" No ! They then say the site is in German speaks to German customers and that's why they go to curacao or get this Indian license so that they are not tangible and can go past them at the A**** what any country in the EU wants

Apart from that, it is much easier to upload a hoster in the EU who provides you with the server for your activities, but at the same time it can take years to do the same outside the EU without knowing whether it will work at all

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Frankey
Experienced

Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

19th Mar. 2024, at 06:35 pm CET#29
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gamble1 wrote on March 19, 2024 at 1:17 pm:

I think a state in the EU will not be particularly interested in what is written in the terms and conditions if the customers could play there anyway!


Best example money back there was also something like "the customer must inform himself about the laws and know whether he is allowed to play here" did it do anything? No ! They then say the site is in German appeals to German customers and that's why they go to curacao or get this Indian license so that they are not tangible and can go past them at the A**** what any country in the EU wants

Apart from that, it is much easier to upload a hoster in the EU who provides you with the server for your activities, but at the same time it can take years to do the same outside the EU without knowing whether it will work at all


At Rant it is written in the terms and conditions. The website is licensed by Starscream Limited which is registered in St Lucia. However, Rant is operated by Starscream subsidiary Stardust Global registered in Cyprus. It gets really complicated with the big white label operators like Global Aspire or Rival. If you read the posts in forums around the world, you realize that players are being screwed everywhere. The whole industry should be falling apart because of this. But no. Even casinos like Beep Beep and Marvel Casino, which are clearly on blacklists worldwide, are still online.
It would be nice if the mafia cleaned up the mess. With a digital "Frank Rosenthal" as manager. Just like they did in Las Vegas. In Las Vegas, the players are also ripped off. The big difference to the online casino is that you have fun losing. You may not have won anything, but hey, it was a cool weekend. See you next year Vegas

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NewOne
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Conviction - participation in illegal gambling

20th Mar. 2024, at 02:43 pm CET#30
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mimimi2 wrote on 16.03.2024 at 16:05: Therefore, it is always best not to use the direct bank Deposit as a payment method, but to use a payment company in between, such as mifinity. Then the bank will only detect the money transfer between payment service providers.
It is probably only even more secure with cryptocurrencies of any kind.

I'm also thinking about using Mifinity. But the problem is that I usually want to play a round spontaneously and often don't plan ahead. With Mifinity, it can happen that it's only transferred the next day....

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