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Online Casinos in general: [Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player (Page 4)

Topic created on 20th Jan. 2020 | Page: 4 of 27 | Answers: 262 | Views: 67,644
Bvb1995
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

21st Jan. 2020, at 10:46 am CET#33
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Sad and if you had won ? Is everything ok ?

Can the casino Dan take back your winnings ?

Play with the money you have or leave it at that

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Born4Nothing
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

21st Jan. 2020, at 10:49 am CET#34
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Sad is only your comment, which shows that you do not care about the suffering and fate of other people who commit suicide, or the children of parents who have nothing to eat on the table because the parents spend all the money in OC. That is sad.

As long as it does not affect you and you were not confronted with this situation, your motto is: After me the deluge, wa?

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MarcT22186
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

21st Jan. 2020, at 10:50 am CET#35
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Born4Nothing wrote on 21.01.2020 at 10:41 am: You ask me a question that is still so far in the future and I do not want to answer at the moment because it would be pure speculation.

You can not predict what will happen in the appeal and I have to react to what happens there just as I have done before the LG Ulm and have driven super with it. Everything else will show the time

Now PP has 2 months to justify the appeal and then we'll see.

That it is still far in the future is clear to me

You wrote that it's not about chargeback, but about all the nasty consequences
This actually excludes a moral settlement. The win at the OLG Stuttgart is mMn pretty sure, but it is just as certain that PP will appeal and make you tempting offers...

Your legal counsel will probably have given you a prospect of whether it makes sense to go all the way to the top!

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Born4Nothing
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

21st Jan. 2020, at 10:54 am CET#36
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Alright, I'll "get on it"

What is a tempting offer? How much money would be appropriate that I will agree to a settlement? How much money is enough to pay for the suffering caused by the seeing eye of PayPal, condoning the suffering of people, just to satisfy the profgier?

Can money make up for the suffering? Lives have been ended, livelihoods destroyed, mine too so please tell me how much money would do it justice?

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Bvb1995
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

21st Jan. 2020, at 10:58 am CET#37
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Born4Nothing wrote on 21.01.2020 at 10:49 am: Sad is only your comment, which shows that you the suffering and fate of other people who commit suicide, or the children of parents who have nothing to eat on the table because the parents spend all the money in OC, are quite indifferent. That is sad.

As long as it does not affect you and you were not confronted with this situation, your motto is: After me the deluge, wa?


You have to think about it beforehand, what is that?

I buy a car, drive it to scrap, get into Debt and try to return the car?

Or drugs is also an addiction, you take the money from your Dealer again?

And I believe myself that the majority just takes money back and continues to gamble that is just sad

And I don't think that many mentally ill people take the money back but rather the addicts who want to continue gambling

The sick have other problems and certainly do not even think of money but famiele more

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Born4Nothing
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

21st Jan. 2020, at 11:05 am CET#38
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I have to agree with you on one point: Yes, I also think that the majority gambles away the money again but due to the addiction.

But you seem to forget one thing: Nobody forbids you to buy a car! Drugs are forbidden and everything possible is done against it! Even if with moderate success.

Fact is, there is a prohibition and that has interested nobody so far. The LG Ulm has clearly established that the gambling treaty is individualschützend it is a ban. Therefore, everything else is quite irrelevant.

And again, I'm the 10,000 EUR pretty much indifferent so it would be good if you would not constantly insinuate that I'm about the money because again I do not repeat myself.

The sick have other problems and think certainly not even more about money but famiele


If this were really the case, why do the children have to starve because the parents don't realize what they are doing with the addiction, the illness? Rational thinking in a pathological Gambling addiction is not possible! One must protect these people, and also the children because they are the sufferers!

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Bvb1995
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

21st Jan. 2020, at 11:11 am CET#39
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Born4Nothing wrote on 21.01.2020 at 11:05 am: I have to agree with you on one point: Yes, I also think that the majority gambles away the money again but due to the addiction.

But you seem to forget one thing: Nobody forbids you to buy a car! Drugs are forbidden and everything possible is done against it! Even if with moderate success.

Fact is, there is a prohibition and that has interested nobody so far. The LG Ulm has clearly established that the gambling treaty is individualschützend it is a ban. Therefore, everything else is quite irrelevant.

And again, I'm the 10,000 EUR pretty much indifferent so it would be good if you would not constantly insinuate that I'm about the money because again I do not repeat myself.

Did I mention your name ? I said most if you are the exception OK

Fact is but also what is forbidden is forbidden Then you must also get a penalty

Just because it is forbidden is not automatically the casinos fault we also

But do not want to take here casinos in protection

If people really have no more money and also to, 100% will no longer gamble takes it back I think even good

But who takes back the money money and continues to gamble I wish a penalty for it

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MarcT22186
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

21st Jan. 2020, at 11:11 am CET#40
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Born4Nothing wrote on 01/21/2020 at 10:54 am: Good, I'm getting on that

What is an enticing offer? How much money would be reasonable that I will agree to a settlement? How much money is enough to cover the suffering what through the seeing eye of PayPal, condoned the suffering of people just to satisfy the profgiers?

Can money make up for the suffering? Lives have been ended, livelihoods destroyed, mine too so please tell me how much money would do it justice?

Honestly, that's not what I meant.
Morally, money can never outweigh that, however, I am not so naive and believe that morality will settle this. <- Sounds meaner than meant - why:

You can't fix the past in some cases. No one is going to save the world by doing this. Bitter, but that's the way it is
A tempting offer is what everyone is willing to accept!
If you ask me for a number, no idea! If I were Paypal or better the entire instant pay industry, I would throw together and offer you the max possible damages in Germany in case of out of court settlement
The consequential damage for the industry would be significantly, no epic much, higher and more you can not expect (financially). With the exception that you become the hero/legend of some

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Begbie
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

21st Jan. 2020, at 11:13 am CET#41
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well, let's wait and see. Other courts have decided differently.
most recently, in December, the Düsseldorf Regional Court.
As mentioned in the Handelsblatt, the location of the lawsuit is not entirely unimportant.
Keyword consumer-friendly judge, grade in BaWü.
If it goes to the next higher instance, the payment service providers will lobby to ensure that a player does not set a precedent,
that a player does not get a precedent.
The wording in the Handelsblatt is somewhat naively euphoric.

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MarcT22186
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

21st Jan. 2020, at 11:25 am CET#43
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Begbie wrote on 01/21/2020 at 11:13 am: well let's see. Other LG have decided differently.
most recently only in December the LG Düsseldorf.
As mentioned in Handelsblatt, the location of the lawsuit is not entirely unimportant.
Keyword consumer-friendly judges, just in BaWü.
If it goes to the next higher instance, the payment service providers will lobby to ensure that a player does not set a precedent,
that a player does not get a precedent.
The wording in the Handelsblatt is somewhat naively euphoric.

Well, LG is already through. The OLG will almost certainly leave it up to the Federal Court of Justice. It is at least halfway neutral.
Paypal has not necessarily won friends here due to the extremely media-relevant job cuts, among other things. Nevertheless, the entire lobby is of course extremely solvent. At the end everything depends however only on the plaintiff - there the lobby can be still so large! The media will almost certainly destroy it if it goes before the Federal Court of Justice
The topic is exciting without end!

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