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Online Casinos in general: [Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player (Page 22)

Topic created on 20th Jan. 2020 | Page: 22 of 27 | Answers: 262 | Views: 68,049
Born4Nothing
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

18th Jun. 2020, at 09:53 am CEST#214
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@Latino



Venue at many Online Casinos is Malta and Maltese are not subject to German law.Accordingly, you do not violate any law there.The German State Treaty on Gambling does not itch the, why also ..



Wrong, every OC which is aimed at the German market; German language, HP and AGB in German language have to comply with the laws in force in the target country.



An online Dealer must also observe the laws in the respective country when he offers his goods there and can not, because it is legal in Holland to sell drugs then in Austria, refer to the Dutch laws! Would be absurd if that were not so.


"2. the defendants become with the objected Internet offer in

Germany and thus also in North Rhine-Westphalia. As can be seen from the

Use of the German language and the under a Germany flag as well as

the word "Germany" in bold print,

the defendants with their game offers turn precisely also to consumers

in Germany. In doing so, they organize and broker their Games of chance in

Germany, so that the scope of application of the Interstate Treaty on Gaming

(cf. Section 3 (4) GlüStV). It is irrelevant whether the server and
all of the defendant's facilities are located outside Germany. At

use of the Internet, the opportunity to participate in the game is not provided at the seat of the

Organizer, but at the player's place of residence or at another location

of his computer. "




And thus §284 is also applicable.






And since it also depends on the possibility of participation; as already written, §284 is also applicable.


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RebellYell
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

23rd Jun. 2020, at 08:59 pm CEST#215
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https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr/online-casinos-hamburg-101.html

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Stromberg
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jun. 2020, at 08:44 am CEST#216
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Somehow, I can only really grab my head. Nothing has been done for years and now they're starting to do it?
I'm not talking about the persecution itself, but the timing.

Makes a quick regulation of the market in my eyes less likely and I think that this would be best, also from Player protection point of view

What I would like to know is: Why can this eternal argument that the offer is covered by European law, actually not quite clearly evaluated as wrong or right, by the competent EU authority or otherwise?odwr must necessarily go to a lawsuit to the European Court of Justice?

Before now the judgments of German courts are quoted.... I mean how it looks from the point of view of the EU...

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Slothot
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jun. 2020, at 09:15 am CEST#217
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For the twelfth time and also already shown here
Everything EU legally compliant

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Ichbins2018
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jun. 2020, at 05:40 pm CEST#218
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Stromberg wrote on 24.06.2020 at 08:44: I can somehow really just grab my head. For years nothing is done and now they start with it?
It is not about the pursuit itself, but the timing.

Makes a quick regulation of the market less likely in my eyes and I think that this would be best, also from a Player protection point of view

What I would like to know is: Why can this eternal argument that the offer is covered by European law, actually not quite clearly evaluated as wrong or right, by the competent EU authority or otherwise?odwr must necessarily go to a lawsuit to the European Court of Justice?

Before now the judgments of German courts are quoted.... I mean how it looks from the point of view of the EU....

Maybe it helps you and you google times after how other countries behave in the EU concerning gambling?

Only so much...each country seems to do what it thinks is right and not every country is so stupid and can be tickled by the Maltese the eggs!

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Ichbins2018
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jun. 2020, at 06:59 pm CEST#219
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And if you are interested, for example, individual countries refer to this.

European Court of Justice
Art. 49 EC - Restrictions on the freedom to provide services.


I can't help but scratch my head. For years nothing is done and now they start with it?
It's not about the persecution itself, but the timing.

In the meantime, the OC have developed into a real boom and our policy seems to no longer want to accept that billions are transferred abroad for nothing and nothing again.
In addition, there are also the chargeback stories with which now every court "forced" in Germany auseinandersetz
Whereby the last very probably significantly contributed to -that in the not too distant future online gambling will be legalized

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Anonym

[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jun. 2020, at 09:42 pm CEST#220
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Hello together,

i have registered here again, because I do not get on this message of the day show at all clear

Why is something done only after so many years?
Why are only 3 casino operators charged?

One may only once enter the word online casino in Google and one is still busy next year to see that there are a lot of German-speaking casinos...

No single authority, which stands up for the justice of the oppressed gamblers, can tell me that they do not know what is going on here

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Latino
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jun. 2020, at 10:25 pm CEST#221
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When the casino finally give a Obulus to father state - then the whole spook has an end and all can play until they drop
As with lotto or casinos or alcohol or cigarettes ... to be continued

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Falko
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jun. 2020, at 10:35 pm CEST#222
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Latino wrote on 24.06.2020 at 22:25: When the casino finally give a Obulus to father state - then the whole spook has an end and all can play until they drop
Just like lotto or casinos or alcohol or cigarettes ... to be continued

Currently casinos pay nothing to the state at least if you play slots ? With sports betting because the tax is always levied and if not then it takes over the Provider such as Tipico for example.

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Kleinkariert
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

25th Jun. 2020, at 01:11 am CEST#223
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Falko wrote on 24.06.2020 at 22:35

Currently casinos pay nothing to the state at least if you play slots ? With sports betting the tax is always levied and if not then the Provider such as Tipico takes it over.

That is not quite true. A part seems warun also always pay taxes. Videoslots seems to pay them.

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