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Online Casinos in general: [Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player (Page 20)

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Born4Nothing
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

25th May. 2020, at 03:22 pm CEST#194
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

26th May. 2020, at 11:15 pm CEST#195
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https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr/gluecksspiel-visa-101.html


"The Ministry communicated on inquiry of the NDR that one was up-to-date with 19 payment service providers in the discussion about it. Around which companies it concerned, a speaker did not want to communicate. Nine of them had already stopped payments to online casinos.

Authorities put pressure on service providers

Payment service providers that do not voluntarily exit the market are threatened by the authorities with a ban. Last year, the authority issued such a prohibition to the Provider PayPal, whereupon the company exited the online casino market in Germany."



Well there probably soon further payment service providers will fall away...

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Anonym

[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

27th May. 2020, at 01:03 am CEST#196
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RebellYell wrote on 05/26/2020 at 23:15: https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr/gluecksspiel-visa-101.html


"The ministry communicated on inquiry of the NDR with the fact that one was up-to-date with 19 payment service providers in the discussion over it. Around which companies it concerned, a speaker did not want to communicate. Nine of them had already stopped payments to online casinos.

Authorities put pressure on service providers

Payment service providers that do not voluntarily exit the market are threatened by the authorities with a ban. Last year, the authority issued such a prohibition to the Provider PayPal, whereupon the company exited the online casino market in Germany."



Well there probably soon more payment service providers will fall away...

Strange article. Actually one could exert legal pressure, but that is not mentioned in the article even rudimentarily by the daily news. Why not? Because it is legally not at all possible and secondly the retreat of PayPal had completely different reasons.
The best answer in the article can be found at the bottom.

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RebellYell
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

27th May. 2020, at 01:17 am CEST#197
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Royal777 wrote on 05/27/2020 at 01:03 PM
Funny article. Actually, one could exert legal pressure, but that is not even rudimentarily mentioned in the article by the Tagesschau. Why not? Because it is not legally possible and secondly, the withdrawal of PayPal had completely different reasons.
The best answer in the article can be found at the bottom.

What other reason should there have been for PayPal?

Have read in now 4 different articles, that Paypal this was forbidden. Therefore, I believe that this was the reason, as now also with Visa

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ruhrpott
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

27th May. 2020, at 01:30 am CEST#198
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RebellYell wrote on 27/05/2020 at 01:17 PM
What other reason should there have been with PayPal?

Have now read 4 different articles that Paypal this was prohibited. Therefore, I believe that this was the reason, as now also with Visa.

Even if it was prohibited, you should consider that this could also be simply related to the fact that people have gradually booked back their coal at Paypal and that was perhaps the decisive point

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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

27th May. 2020, at 07:24 am CEST#199
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ruhrpott wrote on 27.05.2020 at 01:30

Even if it was forbidden, one should consider that this could also simply be related to the fact that people have gradually booked their money back to PayPal and that was perhaps the decisive point

That's exactly how it is!

In the article of the daily news one speaks also not of criminal consequences opposite the payment offerers, but of " prohibition".
 Currently one threatens a Bodo Ramelow likewise with prohibitions, if he will loosen the measures against Corona, but therefore he is not criminally pursued let alone sentenced by any court for life

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RebellYell
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

27th May. 2020, at 09:39 am CEST#200
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ruhrpott wrote on 27.05.2020 at 01:30

Even if it was forbidden, one should consider that this could also simply be related to the fact that people have gradually booked their money back at PayPal and that was perhaps the decisive point

I may not deny that at all. That will have been WITH a reason that Paypal has withdrawn. But not the only reason, but that the policy has made pressure.

Or what is there your argument why Visa has now also withdrawn (according to various articles also on pressure from politics). The players have booked back here, can not hold up as an argument

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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

29th May. 2020, at 02:32 am CEST#201
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Royal777 wrote on 27.05.2020 at 07:24
That's exactly how it is!

In the article of the Tagesschau one speaks also not of Penal consequences opposite the payment offerers, but of " Untersagung".
 Up-to-date one threatens a Bodo Ramelow likewise with prohibitions, if it will loosen the measures against Corona, but therefore it is not criminally pursued let alone of any court life-long sentenced

Why should one also proceed criminally, if one the swamp also from the financial institutions

from the financial institutions?
There is no need to overburden the courts, and it has the same effect
PayPal lost in court, and therefore withdrew from the business.
Visa is following suit. And certainly not voluntarily, as it was a good business. But if the government
or banking regulators put pressure on you, you better go.

Incidentally, it was similar in the U.S. before regulation. There, payment service providers had
to have a "clean" slate and to get a piece of the pie when it came to legalization
A piece of the pie in the event of legalization.

The situation is similar for providers, such as Merkur. The withdrawal was strategically clever.

Why then should legal pressure be exerted, Royal? They go also in such a way!
Your answers are very often let's say without knowledge.
So you unsettle the people here!

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ruhrpott
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

29th May. 2020, at 03:13 am CEST#202
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RebellYell wrote on 05/27/2020 at 09:39 AM
I don't like to deny that at all. That will have been WITH a reason that PayPal has withdrawn. But just not the only reason, but that the policy has made pressure.

Or what is there your argument why Visa has now also withdrawn (According to various articles yes also on pressure from politics). The players have booked back here, can not hold up as an argument.

My post was also not meant as an attack on you Now that I've read it again myself, the impression may have arisen^^

I see it like you. There will be, just as with Visa, many different reasons for it. One could certainly also be that the providers also expect an advantage when it comes, as announced here next year to ner kind of regulation.

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Born4Nothing
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

29th May. 2020, at 04:09 pm CEST#203
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@cable tie

Paypal has said goodbye just 7 days after the HWB of the LG Ulm from the OC because there you could read out how it finally came.

After the ruling on 16.12.2019 then Lower Saxony has pronounced the prohibition. Then Visa and MasterCard also pulled the plug.

The payment service providers pufft just violently the muffe what happens on Halloween before the OLG Stuttgart; the strategic withdrawal comes much too late and before the impending consequences; retroactively, goes to those just the pen!

One has thus taken care of the illegal transactions to stop; was not so easy in the past because so difficult and complex as well as a monstrous effort - now it is basically quite fast^^

The federal government is also looking forward to Stuttgart - although this is already an indictment that seeks its equal - 8 years looked away and now you look further to!

@Ruhrpott

Payment providers, which have participated in the illegal transactions, I would not give a license for transaction processing with an OC; just as I would not give a license to any OC from Malta and Co. but all OC from abroad, following the Swiss example: There all foreign OC are blocked hard as nails, also in Germany block.



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