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Online Casinos in general: [Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player (Page 2)

Topic created on 20th Jan. 2020 | Page: 2 of 27 | Answers: 262 | Views: 68,001
Kleinkariert
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Falko wrote on 21.01.2020 at 00:00 clock: Just as disagree as in Germany the states are, exactly the same disagreement prevails between the courts. One judge says acquittal and the other judge says in the same case that will be punished. What do the banks and casinos really want to fear? Ok in this negotiation we were once the losers, but we can complain without end and eventually we meet the judge who gives us again right. Money rules the world and some important politicians are still supplied with bribes so that it will never be tight for this industry.

You should be aware that DE has an interest to artificially tighten the supply. Just Novomatic and Co. supports something like that. For the industry it looks anything but good.

The latest efforts to legalize sports betting but not slots shows how critical the situation is. Even if the verdict was different, it still causes disagreement, but especially uncertainty.

As a player, you can no longer be 100% safe online. Playing is currently simply no longer recommended.

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MarcT22186
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Falko wrote on 21.01.2020 at 00:00 clock: Just as disagree as in Germany the states are, exactly the same disagreement prevails between the courts. One judge says acquittal and the other judge says in the same case that will be punished. What do the banks and casinos really want to fear? Ok in this negotiation we were once the losers, but we can complain without end and eventually we meet the judge who gives us again right. Money rules the world and some important politicians are still supplied with bribes so that it will never be tight for this industry.

Stop! Up to now, the payment service providers have mostly pulled the emergency brake and reached an expensive out-of-court settlement.
Now the next and final step would be the Federal High Court
That would then be a precedent and wins the player, then all payment service providers with headquarters or branches in DE can face hard times.

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MarcT22186
Expert
wettibernd wrote on 20.01.2020 at 22:54 clock: Even if The Federal Court of Justice agrees to the repayment, the judgment can be overturned by the European Court of Justice again, which is still a very long thing. But something is moving and that is good.

No! This is a lawsuit at the state level. So German player vs. German payment provider.
In the worst case, the payment Provider would have to get the money back via a lawsuit before the ECJ, which will probably not happen, since a pro-player ruling would be the financial death blow

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Grinderstyle
Rookie
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but please be so kind and hold back a little with legal assessments/assertions if you have no idea about it. German law is really complicated and it cannot be in the interest of anyone here that dangerous half-knowledge is spread.

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k****d
MarcT22186 wrote on 21/01/2020 at 02:02 PM
No! This is about a lawsuit on a country level. So German player vs German payment provider.
The payment Provider would have to get the money back in the worst case via a lawsuit before the ECJ, the ab will probably no longer come, because a pro player ruling would be virtually the financial death blow.


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MarcT22186
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kobold wrote on 01/21/2020 at 02:38 PM
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Nothing else I wrote. The betting providers are completely latte here, even the legality of gambling is only a minor matter here - there is simply no fundamental ruling yet as far as refunds are concerned, since no one has made it to the final yet

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Grinderstyle
Rookie
@kobold I study the stuff and not in the 1st semester. I am aware of what German criminal law says about this. However, there is not only German criminal law that may need to be considered here. Furthermore, I did not refer explicitly to your post, but addressed this to the entirety at the commentators. The legal "facts" are simply not true

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DerSkandalierer
Visitor
Why chargeback? Didn't you pay in voluntarily (and with a few exceptions) get what you paid for? Why do you want your money back now?

Most of you couldn't have been cheated, could you? And if you have been defrauded, why do you notice it only after such a long time and then decide to charge back or sue back deposits made several months to years ago?

f**k the laws or any existing possibilities to get the money of the casinos. Yes, it is the money of the casinos and no longer yours! The money changed hands on the day (or mostly days) you voluntarily transferred your money there. I think most of you received a satisfactory service, otherwise you would not have deposited so often.

So I was always very satisfied. I was in the casino for so long in some cases that the staff almost had to carry me out. That's how satisfied I was!

I was not in control of MYSELF and that is why the offer did not do me any good. Now I have drawn my consequences and have made sure that I can no longer play. Offline forever and online from October until the end of March.

Back post I want nothing and with me there would be so many things ...

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MarcT22186
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DerSkandalierer wrote on 21/01/2020 at 03:05: Why chargeback? Didn't you yourselves voluntarily pay in (and with a few exceptions) get what you paid for? Why do you guys want your money back now?

Most of you couldn't have been cheated, could you? And if you have been defrauded, why do you notice it only after such a long time and then decide to charge back or sue back deposits made several months to years ago?

f**k the laws or any existing possibilities to get the money of the casinos. Yes, it is the money of the casinos and no longer yours! The money changed hands on the day (or mostly days) you voluntarily transferred your money there. I think most of you received a satisfactory service, otherwise you would not have deposited so often.

So I was always very satisfied. I was in the casino for so long in some cases that the staff almost had to carry me out. That's how satisfied I was!

I was not in control of ME and that's why the offer did me no good. Now I have drawn my consequences and have made sure that I can no longer play. Offline forever and online from October until the end of March.

I don't want to book back anything and with me there would be so many things ...

Just fyi: I only posted this because it's a big issue and it's about chargeback in the article!
This was not a call for it...

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Grinderstyle
Rookie
Sorry, Kobold, if you have 2 state exams, I am the emperor of China.
The consequences alone, which you fantasize from the ECJ ruling you mentioned, show that you have absolutely no idea of what you want to explain to us here.

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