[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

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DaseR92

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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 12:36 pm CET#164

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Born4Nothing wrote on 01/23/2020 at 1:00 PM

If that were the case then I and everyone else would also have to abide by the law and would also accept that whether you like it or not!

Let's say you find a suitcase full of money and there are several thousand EURO in it. Are you a set loyal citizen and report this or do you satisfy your greed and pocket the coal although you know exactly that everything over 10 EUR is forbidden and is called lost property. If you Risk it anyway, even though you know that depending on the amount, the misappropriation can be punished with a prison sentence of up to three years or with a fine...

According to your statement, you would then go to court against the case?

Can not quite understand your comparison

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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 12:43 pm CET#165

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MarcT22186 wrote on 24.01.2020 at 11:00 am
As soon as this is legal, the state has to do something! They already don't get it right, how will it be when they have to adhere to even more guidelines like "forbidden"?
I think, they have not the slightest idea what the draft for effort will be. In contrast, building an airport is child's play!

So I would not underestimate DE now, Schleswig Holstein has already been able to gain experience, the implementation of the player account and their security will be the big construction site. But as soon as the system is in place, it shouldn't be any worse than in Malta.

My fears are that they want to enforce a betting limit of € 1 / spin possibly because the UKGC € 2 / spins towards the end of the year may want to enforce. But there were already significant changes in the draft, first there was talk of € 1000 Deposit and then of € 1000 loss (makes a big difference).

February there is then again lobby work, I think the final paper will again differ significantly from the current draft.

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MarcT22186

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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 01:00 pm CET#166

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Mo1985 wrote on 24.01.2020 at 11:23: Nonsense - a purchased CRM system is enough to solve this quite loosely. A lock/limit file with which each licensee can synchronize data is quite easily implementable.

By the way, advertising is only allowed from 21-06 o'clock.

Otherwise @Kläger: Have you already been tried for participation in illegal gambling?

We are talking about the state of Germany! Have you ever experienced here that something is simply solved?
I have already participated in some tenders and roll-outs at city and state level and you can be sure, until 2021 there is guaranteed nothing!
Since currently just no one has thought about it.
To give you an insight: I was in charge of a tender for 200 PCs (limited to national companies due to the low volume). The tender was in 2010 and was supposed to be rolled out in 2011. Due to various formal errors and inquiries, the roll-out could not take place until 2013.
A "simple" CRM is out of question on federal level, because there are legal regulations and the volume will be far above 139k€ - The consequence would be an EU-wide tender. The advance information amounts to up to 12 months. The tender + roll-out at least another 12...
HOW should that be feasible? You can assume that until at least 2024/25 EVERYTHING has to be checked manually. Where is this now "just done"?

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Born4Nothing

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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 01:02 pm CET#167

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And believe me, I could certainly get a few thousand back when it comes to Paypal. But honestly, as great as it would be to get the money back, I would not think of any arguments with which I could talk myself into it ...

I can think of many arguments, but the first one is: Ban! And that is a fact.

Of course. Because the (or in this case you) yourself knew exactly that what he is doing is illegal and has consciously and deliberately accepted this.

There I must unfortunately contradict you! I was not aware because you were bombarded with advertising: 100% FAIR, SAFE AND LEGAL.

I also stated this at the hearing when I was asked about it by the judge. And even on the question of whether I then continued to play came promptly and without hesitation a yes from me. There were easily 20 people present and all have heard this. Therefore I was also credible before the judges. Merciless honesty!

@DaseR92

According to your testimony, you would then go to court against the case?

No, but you forget that you have to report everything over 10 EUR and if not it is then found misappropriation which can be punished with up to 3 years or a fine which depends on the height of the sum! Clearly harder than the participation...but everything is the most no matter.

And here are so many who are aware of it. How would it be if you grab yourself times at the nose before you condemn others^^

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upola

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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 02:29 pm CET#168

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Born4Nothing wrote on 01/24/2020 at 1:02 pm

No but you forget that you have to report everything over 10 EUR and if not then it is a misappropriation which can be punished with up to 3 years or a fine which depends on the height of the sum! Clearly harder than the participation...but everything is the most no matter.

And here are so many who are aware of it. How would it be if you grab yourself times at the nose before you condemn others^^

you insinuate here constantly users as they have neither vision nor perspective, and do not see the big picture.
And now you want to tell here you do not know that the game is prohibited.
Who is supposed to believe you?

And no, I want to discuss here with you...me ineressiert the topic not.

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Born4Nothing

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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 04:56 pm CET#169

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And no, I want to discuss with you here...I am not interested in the topic.

Well, after this posting I also think that a discussion with you would be quite superfluous....

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Born4Nothing

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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 05:21 pm CET#170

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So, I've said everything now and I'm out of here.

Unless someone asks reasonable questions^^

ciao

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Falko

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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 05:32 pm CET#171

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Born4Nothing wrote on 01/24/2020 at 5:21 pm: So, I've said it all now and I'm out of here.

Unless someone asks reasonable questions^^

ciao

So I would like to hear how the case is going on with you. Maybe such a small diary when the court date is pending and how the trial runs, what your lawyer gives you here for chances, etc.. It's quite an interesting topic.

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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 05:33 pm CET#172

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Born4Nothing wrote on 01/24/2020 at 5:21 pm: So, I've said it all now and I'm out of here.

Unless someone asks reasonable questions^^

ciao

Unfortunately you never answer sensibly either. Except that no one understands your comments and should read them properly. Why should one ask you then questions? Actually an interesting topic but somehow you always mess up everything

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upola

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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 06:48 pm CET#173

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You are not smart enough for him and do not understand the big picture.
And he also did not know that online gambling is forbidden.
And then you seriously demand reasonable answers

Read through the whole thread, most of it is just gibberish.

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