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Online Casinos in general: [Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player (Page 16)

Topic created on 20th Jan. 2020 | Page: 16 of 27 | Answers: 262 | Views: 68,081
Born4Nothing
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

23rd Jan. 2020, at 02:33 pm CET#154
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Don't worry, I'm fine but thanks for your concern.

Yes, I have thought very carefully about what I am doing, otherwise I would not have done it and considered all possible scenarios.

This all runs for me "only" alongside, am not Greta and travels therefore in the world around^^; only to the OLG Stuttgart and that is from UIm a stone's throw and will already see what is the matter.

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Mo1985
Amateur

[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

23rd Jan. 2020, at 07:49 pm CET#155
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Rationally, there is no reason why the lawsuit should succeed.

Boy, make a settlement - if m0 possible - and don't screw yourself up even more because of false pride or greedy lawyers.

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Mammon
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[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

23rd Jan. 2020, at 09:29 pm CET#156
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DaseR92 wrote on 01/23/2020 at 12:56 PM: As my lawyer once said, law and justice - are two very different things.

Wonder if anyone would sue cashbacks ei if they are clearly in the plus
Oh no, I'll turn a blind eye and I'm glad that the evil PayPal mafia has processed my deposit.

Let's assume. You Deposit with Paypal 50€. Win 10.000€. But now Paypal has reversed the payment because as you say gambling - Illegal and so on.
In your opinion, I must now be glad that the payment Provider has kept to the law?
Or do I now turn to the MGA and make a fuss

You like to turn things right as you want.

That's exactly how it is. As long as you win, everything is okay, but you better not lose!

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Zwischenmeister
Top Member

[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 10:16 am CET#157
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Born4Nothing wrote on 23.01.2020 at 13:41
[code]GlüStV

§ 4 General provisions

(1)Public Games of chance may only be organized or brokered with the permission of the competent authority of the respective country. [sup]2[/sup]Organizing and brokering without such permission (unauthorized gambling) and involvement in payments in connection with unauthorized gambling are prohibited.[/code]

Here it stands nevertheless black on white: The OC organize this without permission and the payment service providers mediate selbiges on behalf of the OC and cooperate also consciously although the OC and their payment service providers this is known, but totally ignored, and now is supposed to be the one, where the transfer arranges the culprit!



Of course. Because he (or in this case you) knew exactly that what he is doing is illegal and has consciously and deliberately accepted this

Sure, PayPal has also committed a violation of the law. But to give them the sole blame and impose the complete costs, you would have to be really borderline debil. Sure, is with one or the other German judge undoubtedly the case, but in the last instance will hopefully not hold.

What kind of signal is that to the people? Yeah, do what you want, nothing has consequences

Our society is already on the brink of collapse, but when you see something like this, then you realize once again why this happened and why it had to happen.

Since I find it almost ridiculous myself that I was upset that people vote for casinos because of FS...

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Zwischenmeister
Top Member

[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 10:24 am CET#158
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And believe me, I could certainly get a few thousand back when it comes to Paypal. But honestly, as great as it would be to get the money back, I would not think of any arguments with which I could talk myself into it ...

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MarcT22186
Expert

[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 10:45 am CET#159
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Zwischenmeister wrote on 24.01.2020 at 10:24 am: And believe me, I could certainly get a few thousand back when it comes to Paypal. But honestly, as great as it would be to get the money back, I couldn't think of any arguments I could use to talk myself out of it ...

I have to agree with you there!


Of course. Because he (or in this case you) knew very well that what he is doing is illegal and has consciously and intentionally accepted this.

Here, however, not necessarily! If you think about how much advertising is done here in Germany and despite the apparently crystal clear legal situation, it would be quite naive to believe "everyone must know exactly".


To make matters worse, there is at least one Spielo on every corner! I do not want to know how much every day (first time) to pay in without knowing what is fact.
The state has failed here 100%, in all respects, the law must protect the citizens.
I am almost sure, before the BGH he would have, thanks to all the failures in terms of supervisory duty (of the state), relatively good chances to survive! PayPal would I think not before the ECJ if they lose here.
Just imagine, they go to the ECJ and the appeal is cashed!? That would be a super-GAU! Just because the current so on AML are out

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Begbie
Elite

[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 10:52 am CET#160
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MarcT22186 wrote on 24.01.2020 at 10:45: If you think about how much advertising is done here in Germany

Advertising will become really penetrating when it becomes legal.
My neighbor's kids were running around on the street the other day singing Mr Green's commercials.
Thought I do not hear right o_O

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MarcT22186
Expert

[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 11:00 am CET#161
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Begbie wrote on 01/24/2020 at 10:52 AM
Commercials are going to get really pushy when this becomes legal.
My neighbor's kids were running around the street the other day singing Mr Green's commercials.
Thought I wasn't hearing right o_O

As soon as this is legal, the state has to do something right! They do not get it right now, how will it be when they have to adhere to even more guidelines like "forbidden"?
I think, they have not the slightest idea what the draft for effort will be. In contrast, building an airport is child's play!

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Mo1985
Amateur

[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 11:23 am CET#162
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Nonsense - a purchased CRM system is enough to solve this problem. A blocking/limit file with which each licensee can synchronize data can be implemented quite easily.

By the way, advertising is only allowed from 21-06 o'clock.

Otherwise @Kläger: Have you already been tried for participation in illegal gambling?

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sippi
Expert

[Chargeback] - Ulm Regional Court rules in favor of player

24th Jan. 2020, at 11:35 am CET#163
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Mo1985 wrote on 01/24/2020 at 11:23 AM
Otherwise @Plaintiff: Have you been tried for engaging in unlicensed gambling yet?

It's not like he can talk his way out of it with, I didn't know that was illegal. Theoretically, there should be something, but practically...

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